Possible V13 bug - Renaming files

xberk wrote on 5/6/2014, 11:16 PM
Is anyone else seeing V13 crash when trying to rename a file in Vegas Explorer? My V12 has no problems with this.

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Grazie wrote on 5/7/2014, 12:47 AM
I've never thought of doing that? I've treated that the way that files are presented to VP as sacrosanct.

G

ChrisDolan (SCS) wrote on 5/7/2014, 12:12 PM
xberk,
Under the hood, it's just calling the Microsoft function to rename the file so it should be roughly equivalent to renaming in Windows Explorer. Any files that Vegas is actively using should not be renamable, intentionally. What sort of file are you trying to rename? On your local machine or on a network share perhaps?
xberk wrote on 5/7/2014, 12:42 PM
>>What sort of file are you trying to rename? On your local machine or on a network share perhaps?

Renaming MTS files on local machine.

Since this is a Microsoft function, I"m trying to find out if anyone else is seeing the same thing, namely that renaming in Vegas Explorer crashes V13 but, using all the same files and the same system, does not crash V12.

In V12 when a .veg is open and if the file is in the Project bin, renaming it in Vegas Explorer renames the file in the Project bin as well. If you used Windows Explorer to rename the file, naturally it would not rename the file in your Project bin, even if the .veg is open at the time.

Am I alone? Or is anyone else seeing V13 crash when renaming a file in Vegas Explorer?

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

ChrisDolan (SCS) wrote on 5/7/2014, 3:48 PM
Hmm, I'm stumped... Can you please reproduce the crash and send us an error report, including my name "Chris Dolan" and your userid "xberk" in the message so I can search for it in our database? Thanks.
Chris
ChristoC wrote on 5/7/2014, 4:39 PM
Chris Dolan - "Any files that Vegas is actively using should not be renamable, intentionally.

Hmmm, that is not the behaviour I get here - I can rename any file (.MOV, .AVI, .MP4 or .WAV is all the types I tried so far) in VP13 Explorer and Project Media windows, whilst it is in use; furthermore the "Active Take Information" display on the timeline also changes. No crashes either. All files on local machine.


xberk wrote on 5/8/2014, 12:54 AM
>>reproduce the crash and send us an error report,

Chris .. I just reproduced the error and sent an error report (from within Vegas) with Chris Dolan and xberk in the message.

Since no one else seems to have this problem, I'd assume it's something in my system. The thing is that V12 is not behaving the same. I can rename files without a problem in V12. Same system. Same files.

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

NickHope wrote on 5/8/2014, 2:10 AM
I also often rename files that Vegas Pro 10 is actively using, using Vegas Explorer. I really like that functionality. Much more straightforward than renaming outside Vegas and then having to resolve offline media etc..
Former user wrote on 5/8/2014, 7:30 AM
Would running as administrator as opposed to not make a difference?
Kit wrote on 5/8/2014, 9:32 AM
Would running as administrator as opposed to not make a difference?

Absolutely shouldn't be necessary.
ChrisDolan (SCS) wrote on 5/8/2014, 11:07 AM
xberk,
Thanks, I found the report. Unfortunately that report only confirmed what you've already told me and exposed no other useful details. Looking at the code, I can see some places where we're not thoroughly checking the responses from the rename commands we send to Windows, so I'm going to improve that code for the next update, but I'm no closer to an explanation of why this problem is arising in the first place, and certainly not why VP12 works better...
Chris
xberk wrote on 5/8/2014, 1:57 PM
Chris, Thanks. I have to assume that this is something to do with my system since no one else seems to have the problem.

I built this machine about a year ago. It runs Windows 8.1 which I believe is up to date. But ASUS has put out many BIOS updates for their P9x79LE motherboard too ( I'm running BIOS version 3305). To date, I have not updated the BIOS. This might be a reason to update the BIOS. But I'm not rushing into that. I'll wait to see if other system problems develop.

Just seems that something in V13 and something in my system are not getting along with regards to this issue.

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

xberk wrote on 5/8/2014, 2:34 PM
By the way Chris -- I can delete files in V13 with Vegas Explorer and I can use the "explore current folder" option to open up Windows Explorer. From there I can rename files with no problem and then use "refresh view" button in Vegas 13 to update Vegas Explorer. All that stuff works. The only crash is if I try to rename a file with Vegas Explorer. Seems like a specific call that is going bad on my system.

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

Kit wrote on 5/8/2014, 7:36 PM
I'd like to say that if a file is selected in Vegas Explorer and the user opens up Windows Explorer from vegas that the same file should be selected. Just opening up the containing folder really isn't good enough. Thanks.
CJB wrote on 5/17/2014, 10:33 AM
I have this problem too. Of note is that I am using Windows 8.1 (Pro if that matters) like @Xberk.

It is useful to rename files in the explorer within Vegas during preview, etc. I have a sound effects library and I preview sounds within the explorer window. The names are not as descriptive as I like and would like to rename accordingly. Can't cause it bombs!
xberk wrote on 5/17/2014, 1:58 PM
Dancerchris ... WOW. I thought it was just me. I put a ticket in with SCS tech support and they said they could not reproduce the problem. And no one else here seemed to have the problem on V13. I thought I was the only one.

It would help, Dancerchris, if you would put in a tech support ticket too to let them know that it is not just me. I am running Windows 8.1 basic version, ASUS Motherboard P9x79LE with the original BIOS, 3305.

I do not have a renaming files in Vegas Explorer problem on V12. Just V13.

Paul

Paul B .. PCI Express Video Card: EVGA VCX 10G-P5-3885-KL GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 ULTRA ,,  Intel Core i9-11900K Desktop Processor ,,  MSI Z590-A PRO Desktop Motherboard LGA-1200 ,, 64GB (2X32GB) XPG GAMMIX D45 DDR4 3200MHz 288-Pin SDRAM PC4-25600 Memory .. Seasonic Power Supply SSR-1000FX Focus Plus 1000W ,, Arctic Liquid Freezer II – 360MM .. Fractal Design case ,, Samsung Solid State Drive MZ-V8P1T0B/AM 980 PRO 1TB PCI Express 4 NVMe M.2 ,, Wundiws 10 .. Vegas Pro 19 Edit

ChrisDolan (SCS) wrote on 5/19/2014, 5:00 PM
dancerchris, xberk,

I'd love to solve this for you. If there's anything you can do to provide more details, any clue might help me reproduce it and then fix it. Perhaps you could tell me the full path of the folder, the before and after names of the file (are you changing the extension or just the root name?), what kind of filesystem the file is on (HD NTFS? FAT32 USB stick? SMB network share?), or even a screen video of the problem.

Thanks, Chris
NickHope wrote on 10/25/2014, 5:02 AM
I am also seeing this problem in VP13. I have sent a couple of error reports today. The 2nd one included the words "Chris Dolan" and "Nick Hope".

Here are the details:

Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 373) 64-bit
Windows 8.1 64-bit
Full path of folder: E:\ (NTFS hard drive)
E:\0-intermediates\Mucky-Secrets (sub-folder on NTFS hard drive)
J:\ (USB stick)
File name before: various including simply "1.avi"
File name after: various including simply "2.avi"

I have no problems doing this in VP12 or VP10 on this system, or in VP8 on my old system. I have been renaming in-use files in the Vegas Pro Explorer window for many years and will really miss this feature if not fixed.

I will also submit a bug report via "Ask a question".

Below is a screenshot just after a crash:



NickHope wrote on 11/11/2014, 8:23 PM
SCS are currently looking into this for me.

Does anyone [b]NOT[//b] have this problem with VP13?

It's very easy to test. Simply try and rename a file in the VP13 explorer window while it's in use on the timeline.
Grazie wrote on 11/11/2014, 10:21 PM
Cannot REPRO.

Details for me:

Vegas Pro 13.0 (build 373) 64-bit
Windows 7 64-bit
Full path of folder: F:\ (NTFS hard drive)
F:\Nick Folder (sub-folder on NTFS hard drive)
File name before: "1.avi"
File name after: "2.avi"

NB: this is in the VP13 explorer window. This is NOT the "Favorites" section of the VP Explorer. Is that the same for you Nick?

FYI: The External M$ Explorer safely got updated too.

Grazie
NickHope wrote on 11/12/2014, 1:19 AM
Thanks Grazie. Yes, it's the same but I'm on Windows 8.1.

Please others test this to see if there's a pattern related to the O/S or whatever.

Remember the file has to be in use in the project, preferably on the VP13 timeline when you rename it in the Vegas Explorer window.
Dexcon wrote on 11/12/2014, 1:29 AM
Windows 8.1 / Vegas 13 (373).

Rename a file on or off timeline via Vegas Explorer = crash.

Tried renaming the same on-timeline file from the same .veg in VP12 = changed without a problem and no crash.

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Grazie wrote on 11/12/2014, 2:41 AM
Slithering towards M$ Win 8.1? - Maybe?

G

redpaw wrote on 11/12/2014, 4:57 AM
crashes here as well... win 8.1.
sent the report
NickHope wrote on 11/13/2014, 12:08 PM
So far we have:

Windows 7 = no crash
Grazie
ChristoC (assuming his system info is up to date and he was on Win 7 in May)
John Dennis

Windows 8.1 = crash
Me
xberk
Dexcon
redpaw

We need a bigger sample size to establish a link to the O/S. Please more people test this. It only takes a moment. And please post your Windows version.