Should I accept the Windows 11 Upgrade? Yes/No?

Grazie wrote on 2/23/2023, 10:23 PM

What's been your experience? Using VegasPro and all other Software?

TIA - G

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diverG wrote on 2/24/2023, 3:34 AM

Maybe take a system image first and give it a try. Are you planning a clean install or an insitue update? Will all software run on W11? If not extra costs.

Will probably upgrade when support for W10 ceases. Currently using resolve studio and finding it very stable. Bad news is the learning curve.

Best of luck. G

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Dexcon wrote on 2/24/2023, 5:22 AM

What's been your experience? Using Vegas Pro and all other Software?

Other than a bit more of a need to use the task manager to get Vegas Pro to open after clicking the taskbar icon, I haven't experienced any noticeable difference in using programs under W11 than occurred under W10. The noticeable changes between W10 and W11 seem to be more cosmetic and usability in the Windows sphere than the way it handles all programs that I use. And assuming it is still the case, a W10/W11 upgrade allows a 14 days window to roll back to W10 - not sure if that involves having to reinstall programs though. I've been using W11 since not long after it was released.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 20, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2023, 5:23 AM

@Dexcon - Thanks.

Pete wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:19 AM

Vegas Post works fine on Windows 11. I've been on since the early beta and never really had an issue.

Reyfox wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:22 AM

I did a clean installation of Win11 Pro on a new NVME. While there are cosmetic changes, and new locations for Windows "things", Vegas is working fine. I made sure to turn off everything M$ is trying to get from my PC to sell to someone to spam me later on products I am not interested in.

I have heard of people having problems with Win11 when they did an upgrade by overwriting Win10. I wanted a fresh clean install.

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.5.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

jetdv wrote on 2/24/2023, 8:16 AM

I have VEGAS Pro 14 through 20 installed on Win 11 and they all work fine.

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2023, 8:50 AM

@jetdv - How did you go about it?

jetdv wrote on 2/24/2023, 8:59 AM

@Grazie When I purchased this laptop which had Win 11 installed on it, I just ran the installers for 14 through 20 (as I periodically test scripts and other things on multiple versions.) I just installed them and activated them and they all work fine - except VEGAS Pro 18 takes a really long time to start - you think it's died but it eventually starts and then works fine.

Vegas Pro 13 through VEGAS Pro 19 are all still installed on my previous laptop running Windows 10. I did not bother installing 20 there.

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2023, 9:02 AM

@jetdv So you didn’t actually upgrade or install W11, it came already loaded on your laptop.

jetdv wrote on 2/24/2023, 9:03 AM

@Grazie Correct. New machine with Win 11 already installed.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:06 AM

What's been your experience? Using VegasPro and all other Software?

TIA - G

When I did that the 1st time on an older laptop, I neglected to deactivate Vegas under Win10 before the upgrade. That caused Magix to treat the laptop as a different machine when I fired up Vegas under Win11, consuming an additional license. Had to go into my Magix account and delete the Win10 machine in order to re-register Vegas under Win11.

Win10 vrs Win11? Not a whole lot of difference for Vegas and maybe Win11 is a little more configurable for Graphics on some systems. I still miss being able to position the Windows taskbar vertically (so Vegas showed more tracks without auto-hide) but now put it at the bottom on my win10 machines to make things more consistent. I also don't care for win11's more limited options for window colors... in some ways it seems to be a step backwards from win10. But performance is good and graphics driver updates seem to cater to it.

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:20 AM

@Howard-Vigorita - Thanks for your thorough report. Means a lot to me.

wwaag wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:27 PM

I have Win 11 on a laptop I purchased last summer. I have installed Vegas versions 12-20 without issue. The ONE thing I don't like about it is the Explorer context menu. Rather than the usual lines such as Cut, Copy, Paste, etc , they have been replaced by icons at the top of dialog which is OK after you get used to it. However, since I often want to launch MediaInfo, I now have to go to an additional "More Options" dialog from the initial context dialog. Not a showstopper, but kind of a pain. Since I usually use Directory Opus rather than Explorer anyway, it's not a big problem--just a tiny gnat.

AKA the HappyOtter at https://tools4vegas.com/. System 1: Intel i7-8700k with HD 630 graphics plus an Nvidia RTX4070 graphics card. System 2: Intel i7-3770k with HD 4000 graphics plus an AMD RX550 graphics card. System 3: Laptop. Dell Inspiron Plus 16. Intel i7-11800H, Intel Graphics. Current cameras include Panasonic FZ2500, GoPro Hero11 and Hero8 Black plus a myriad of smartPhone, pocket cameras, video cameras and film cameras going back to the original Nikon S.

Illusion wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:32 PM

I have Win 11 on a laptop I purchased last summer. I have installed Vegas versions 12-20 without issue. The ONE thing I don't like about it is the Explorer context menu. Rather than the usual lines such as Cut, Copy, Paste, etc , they have been replaced by icons at the top of dialog which is OK after you get used to it. However, since I often want to launch MediaInfo, I now have to go to an additional "More Options" dialog from the initial context dialog. Not a showstopper, but kind of a pain. Since I usually use Directory Opus rather than Explorer anyway, it's not a big problem--just a tiny gnat.

 

@wwaag, @Grazie, here is how to fix it: https://allthings.how/how-to-show-more-options-by-default-in-windows-11-file-explorer/

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wwaag wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:39 PM

@Illusion

Thanks for the link. It's certainly not for the faint-hearted.

AKA the HappyOtter at https://tools4vegas.com/. System 1: Intel i7-8700k with HD 630 graphics plus an Nvidia RTX4070 graphics card. System 2: Intel i7-3770k with HD 4000 graphics plus an AMD RX550 graphics card. System 3: Laptop. Dell Inspiron Plus 16. Intel i7-11800H, Intel Graphics. Current cameras include Panasonic FZ2500, GoPro Hero11 and Hero8 Black plus a myriad of smartPhone, pocket cameras, video cameras and film cameras going back to the original Nikon S.

Illusion wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:46 PM

@Illusion

Thanks for the link. It's certainly not for the faint-hearted.

Nope. But I like my restored right-click menu

  • ASUS ROG Strix X570-E
  • Ryzen 9 3900x 12-core
  • 128GB RAM (4x32GB)
  • Nvidia RTX 2070 8GDDR6
  • 1TB WD Black NVMe M.2 for OS/Prog
  • 1TB WD Black NVMe M.2 for Media
  • 1TB/2TB/4TB SATA3 SSDs for projects/media
  • 4TB WD Red drive for local cache
  • 10TB EXOS Enterprise, 14TB Toshiba drive for local cache
  • 32in 4K main monitor, 24in 1080 second
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  • Sony a6000
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  • Sony BRAVIA XR X90J 75" 4K HDR10
  • Nvidia Shield TV Pro media player (GigE wired)
  • JBL Bar 5.1

 

Illusion wrote on 2/24/2023, 7:59 PM

@Illusion

Thanks for the link. It's certainly not for the faint-hearted.

For anyone wanting the context menu but not willing to follow the procedure, copy this to a text file (notepad) with .bat extension, then run it.

reg add HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32 /ve /d "" /f 
pause

 

  • ASUS ROG Strix X570-E
  • Ryzen 9 3900x 12-core
  • 128GB RAM (4x32GB)
  • Nvidia RTX 2070 8GDDR6
  • 1TB WD Black NVMe M.2 for OS/Prog
  • 1TB WD Black NVMe M.2 for Media
  • 1TB/2TB/4TB SATA3 SSDs for projects/media
  • 4TB WD Red drive for local cache
  • 10TB EXOS Enterprise, 14TB Toshiba drive for local cache
  • 32in 4K main monitor, 24in 1080 second
  • Win 11 Pro
  • 28TB NAS for long term archive storage
  • Sony a6000
  • Sony A7C
  • GoPro Hero 8
  • GoPro Hero 11
  • Sony BRAVIA XR X90J 75" 4K HDR10
  • Nvidia Shield TV Pro media player (GigE wired)
  • JBL Bar 5.1

 

wwaag wrote on 2/24/2023, 8:41 PM

Didn't work. I "ran as admin" and got the message "The operation completed successfully", but the context menu is still the same.

AKA the HappyOtter at https://tools4vegas.com/. System 1: Intel i7-8700k with HD 630 graphics plus an Nvidia RTX4070 graphics card. System 2: Intel i7-3770k with HD 4000 graphics plus an AMD RX550 graphics card. System 3: Laptop. Dell Inspiron Plus 16. Intel i7-11800H, Intel Graphics. Current cameras include Panasonic FZ2500, GoPro Hero11 and Hero8 Black plus a myriad of smartPhone, pocket cameras, video cameras and film cameras going back to the original Nikon S.

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:02 PM

You guys are the best in your advice - really you are. However, there are things I need to ponder over.

The other is that very few here have taken the W11 AUTO Update insitu from M$, rather they've got their V11 as a consequence of purchasing a pre-installed copy. This ain't me, as I have a fully working W10 PC, and the idea of something going ***-up, as an outcome of an Auto Update from M$, fills me with trepidation and fear - after all, this is "Grazie" here not the brightest spanner/wrench in the IT toolbox!

BTW, what IS a clean install? Loads more anxiety here.

wwaag wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:35 PM

@Grazie

For you, in all honesty, I wouldn't recommend it even though it's "free". If everything is working OK under Win10, I wouldn't "rock the boat" so to speak. Plus, it "is" different and you have to learn a new interface which always takes time. I suspect that Win 10 will continue to be supported by MS for some years to come. By the time its no longer supported, you'll probably be looking for a new PC anyway and since you don't build your own, it will come pre-installed with the latest MS operating system. I'm sure that some may disagree, but I would stick with what you have.

AKA the HappyOtter at https://tools4vegas.com/. System 1: Intel i7-8700k with HD 630 graphics plus an Nvidia RTX4070 graphics card. System 2: Intel i7-3770k with HD 4000 graphics plus an AMD RX550 graphics card. System 3: Laptop. Dell Inspiron Plus 16. Intel i7-11800H, Intel Graphics. Current cameras include Panasonic FZ2500, GoPro Hero11 and Hero8 Black plus a myriad of smartPhone, pocket cameras, video cameras and film cameras going back to the original Nikon S.

Dexcon wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:37 PM

what IS a clean install?

I've always taken that to mean that the installation of the OS is made on a brand new C drive or where the OS installation first includes the reformatting of the drive which, of course, erases everything on the drive (e.g. the former OS, all programs/apps, all documents, everything. I had to do the latter many times back in Windows XP days.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 20, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

Grazie wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:58 PM

@Grazie

For you, in all honesty, I wouldn't recommend it even though it's "free".

@wwaag ✔️

If everything is working OK under Win10, I wouldn't "rock the boat" so to speak.

@wwaag ✔️

Plus, it "is" different and you have to learn a new interface which always takes time.

@wwaag ✔️✔️✔️

I suspect that Win 10 will continue to be supported by MS for some years to come.

@wwaag ✔️

By the time its no longer supported, you'll probably be looking for a new PC anyway and since you don't build your own, it will come pre-installed with the latest MS operating system.

@wwaag ✔️ Also, my PC builders still have the scars when something isn't Grazie-Proof - lovely people. They've also said: "Don't do it!" . . . 😜

I'm sure that some may disagree, but I would stick with what you have.

@wwaag ✔️ PLUS having worked alongside you, for all these years, you DO know me all too well. I'll let you into a secret, he's very patient with me 😊.

Reyfox wrote on 2/25/2023, 3:38 AM

@Dexcon, right you are on "clean install".

Win11 Pro was installed on a new NVME, not over Win10 Pro. Using my Win10 product key, Win11 activated just fine, giving me Win11 Pro.

And yes, like @wwaag mentioned, changing the way the default Explorer context menu was, I just don't understand. Here, they are making changes for the sake of making changes, and it adds additional unnecessary mouse clicking. Changing the registry should not be necessary. Norm the additional keyboard strokes. But this is M$...

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.5.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

jetdv wrote on 2/25/2023, 7:36 AM

I have Win 11 on a laptop I purchased last summer. I have installed Vegas versions 12-20 without issue. The ONE thing I don't like about it is the Explorer context menu. Rather than the usual lines such as Cut, Copy, Paste, etc , they have been replaced by icons at the top of dialog which is OK after you get used to it. However, since I often want to launch MediaInfo, I now have to go to an additional "More Options" dialog from the initial context dialog. Not a showstopper, but kind of a pain. Since I usually use Directory Opus rather than Explorer anyway, it's not a big problem--just a tiny gnat.

I thought the same thing and found a registry change to make. I don't know if it was the same one listed above but I made it the same week I got this laptop and my right-click menu in Explorer now has the cut/copy/paste options back again.