Some AMD Ryzen 1700 numbers

RealityStudio wrote on 3/9/2017, 12:25 PM

Hey guys, just built a new machine and went with a very cheap setup, a $330 Amd Ryzen 1700 that comes with a very nice stock cooler, a $99 Asus Prime B350 Plus motherboard, and $150 of 16gb DDR4 ram. I've left it all stock and I did a couple of quick tests compared to my previous 4770k Haswell machine which was also stock (no overclocks on either), all done on Windows 10 with Vegas Pro 14. I reused my old NVidia 980ti.

Rendering a 30 second 100mps Sony AX100 source 4k clip with Film Convert and watermark effects to 4k output with Main Concept encoder in Vegas Pro 14:

Old stock Haswell 4770k machine: 5:48

New stock AMD 1700 machine: 2:54

 

Rendering a 4 minute 4k video previously output from Vegas with Main Concept encoder to 720p with Handbrake:

Old stock Haswell 4770k machine: 5:48 (again, yeah weird)

New stock AMD 1700 machine: 3:28

 

So I'm very happy with the new AMD processors, it's incredible how much you get for how little money. The total upgrade will cost me maybe $250 after I ebay my old parts. It's all run solidly for days now, the only issue is the bios is still very early so it can't recognize the full speed of my ram so it's running it at just 2133mhz but that will get sorted with bios revisions. I'm keeping it all stock for now, and may overclock it in the future. Anyways hopefully this is useful to other Vegas Pro users, this is definitely the most no brainer and cheap upgrade I've ever done.

 

 

 

Comments

dxdy wrote on 3/9/2017, 1:11 PM

Very interesting. Which MC encoder did you use - MP4?

RealityStudio wrote on 3/9/2017, 1:21 PM

Main Concept AVC/AAC encoder MP4 file with these specs:

3840x2160 custom frame size

30fps high profile

Variable bitrate 28mbps max, 20mbps average, progressive download

astar wrote on 3/9/2017, 2:07 PM

Nice! $576 for a good upgrade.

Is that 980ti being OpenCL utilized for timeline playback?

It would be interesting to see how an RX480 addition compares.

CogDiv wrote on 3/9/2017, 2:55 PM

@RealityStudio What kind of memory bandwidth ("winsat mem" at a cmd prompt) do you have currently with that platform, and are their any improvements you can make on that front?

Perhaps you can tweak the memory settings using "AMD Ryzen Master?"

RealityStudio wrote on 3/9/2017, 4:57 PM

Nice! $576 for a good upgrade.

Is that 980ti being OpenCL utilized for timeline playback?

It would be interesting to see how an RX480 addition compares.

Plus it's looking like old old computer components will get just over $300 on ebay, so it's going to be closer to a $250 upgrade. Yeah the 980ti makes a huge difference on the timeline, otherwise Film Convert would be unusable with just cpu alone.

RealityStudio wrote on 3/9/2017, 4:58 PM

@RealityStudio What kind of memory bandwidth ("winsat mem" at a cmd prompt) do you have currently with that platform, and are their any improvements you can make on that front?

Perhaps you can tweak the memory settings using "AMD Ryzen Master?"

I have Ryzen Master installed just to verify things, it runs at 3.2ghz for all 8 cores during a render at around 59 degrees with the stock cooler. I haven't tried tweaking any settings yet though, mostly because I want to run it all stock for a while to make sure everything is working ok. In my old tests on my previous machine I had found memory speed didn't make much difference to render times so I'm not expecting huge gains here either when I finally do get the ram running at full spec.

CogDiv wrote on 3/9/2017, 5:42 PM

Memory bandwidth won't help with rendering since the processing via the codecs is still the bottleneck. On other tasks it could make a difference, when both the input and output will fit into RAM and the code is designed to take advantage. I found some numbers elsewhere to compare with other platforms for the memory data rate.

Hulk wrote on 3/9/2017, 8:19 PM

Great information on how Ryzen performs in Vegas Pro. Thanks for taking the time to report your findings.

RealityStudio wrote on 3/9/2017, 8:22 PM

No problem! I figure us Vegas guys are stuck with software encoders for the near future hence I figured this info could be useful to others here.

ddm wrote on 3/9/2017, 10:20 PM

I was reading about the Ryzen benchmarks last week and I thought to myself... "too bad the Vegas forum isn't what it used to be, bet there would be some great discussions and excitement about this Ryzen release" Lo and behold, here's a discussion about Ryzen and Vegas. This place is still awesome. Thanks for sharing.

igniz-krizalid wrote on 3/9/2017, 10:44 PM

Very interesting numbers there, what I would do with my R7 1800X? 😀😁

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Main PC:

MSI X370 Pro Carbon, R7 1800X, OC Nitro RX 480 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 14, 850 EVO 500GB SSD, Dark Rock 3 cooler, Dark Power Pro 11 650W Platinum, Serenade PciE CM8888 Sound Card, MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 Pro 64bit

Second PC:

Z170XP-SLI, i7 6700K, Nitro R9 380 4Gb, 2X8GB DDR4 3200 CL 16, MX200 500 SSD, MasterAir Pro 4 cooler, XFX PRO 650W Core Edition 80+ Bronze, Xonar D1 7.1 Ch Sound Card, NEC MultiSync 1200p IPS 16:10 monitor, Windows 10 pro 64bit

john-baker wrote on 3/10/2017, 11:11 AM

@RealityStudio

What are the hard drive configurations and specs for the old Intel and the AMD PC's.

John EB

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Lateral thinking can get things done!

VPX, MEP Premium, MEP Pro Premium, Video Pro X4, MEP 2016, and earlier versions, Music Maker Premium, Music Maker 2016, 2015, DVD Architect 7 build 100..

Running Windows 10 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16Gb RAM, 1Tb + 2 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60Gb internal SSD, + 6 x 2Tb ext HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

RealityStudio wrote on 3/10/2017, 1:02 PM

Old machine was a 1tb Samsing 840 Evo ssd, new machine is a 1tb Samsung 960 Evo m.2. But ssd speed never made a speed difference to me as it's all mostly cpu bound.

OldSmoke wrote on 3/10/2017, 1:11 PM

Test should be done with the SCS Benchmark project. That way we all have a point of reference.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

CogDiv wrote on 3/10/2017, 2:02 PM

Just a quick further comment regarding RAM: Terabytes of RAM is on the horizon, and then we really will need superscalar symmetric multiprocessors to take advantage. See IBM Power8. I bet Vegas won't be running on that platform anytime soon, however.

COJMM01 wrote on 3/12/2017, 1:13 PM

Thank you so much for this post! As suggested by OldSmoke, any chance you can run the SCS Benchmark rendered with MainConcept (CPU only)? That'd give a great point of reference to how our own systems compare.

RealityStudio wrote on 3/12/2017, 11:08 PM

Thanks for the link, I downloaded it and rendered it with the MC AVC setting they used and set the project as they requested which included using full 32bit color. I usually use 8bit color since that's what all my cameras are (AX100, A7S, etc) so I rendered both cases one at 32bit project setting and one at 8bit project setting. The result to render the entire project:

32bit: 2:05

8bit: 1:24

This is all completely stock so 2133mhz memory, no cpu overclocking and stock cpu fan. I used Ryzen Master to see what was going on during the render and all 8 cores were pegged at 3.2ghz the entire time with peak temperature being 60.75 degrees.

No idea if these numbers are good or not, but there they are. I see huge gains on my personal work so I'm super happy. I've read people are able to get 3.8ghz pretty easily on this cpu but I'm keeping it stock for now/

john_dennis wrote on 3/13/2017, 3:04 AM

Your numbers are good. You have a two core advantage over me, but my six cores are running a little faster. You have a street price advantage, so far.

These are my results for the i7-6850K system in my profile.

On this system there appears to be no benefit in using the OpenCL render option for this test. I created this spreadsheet to sort the various options.

GJeffrey wrote on 3/13/2017, 3:57 AM

Just to compare with a 6 year old PC (3930K + GTX570) - MC 1080-30p render

- GPU OFF: 3min35s / 4min12s (8/10bits)

- GPU ON: 2min01s / 2min25s (8/10bits)

- GPU ON with Cuda: 37s / 52s (8/10bits)

Only 20% performance increase for CPU over 6 years is pretty low.

GPU encoding can't be beaten yet. I hope it will be implemented soon in Vegas...

OldSmoke wrote on 3/13/2017, 11:17 AM

Your numbers are good. You have a two core advantage over me, but my six cores are running a little faster. You have a street price advantage, so far.

These are my results for the i7-6850K system in my profile.

On this system there appears to be no benefit in using the OpenCL render option for this test. I created this spreadsheet to sort the various options.


Here are my results:

@John: Are you running the 6850K at stock speeds?

 

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 3/13/2017, 11:23 AM

@GJeffrey

Only 20% performance increase for CPU over 6 years is pretty low.

Compared to??

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

john_dennis wrote on 3/13/2017, 12:06 PM

@Old Smoke: These were run with a 13% overclock done by the ASUS utility. I can undo the overclock to run a baseline test in the future.

OldSmoke wrote on 3/13/2017, 12:19 PM

@Old Smoke: These were run with a 13% overclock done by the ASUS utility. I can undo the overclock to run a baseline test in the future.

Thanks for the reply. It makes me wonder if it even makes sense to update my system; our systems aren't far apart at all.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)