Sony, give us a storyboard please!...

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Rednroll wrote on 4/24/2004, 8:58 AM
Thanks for the further description of a Storyboard, I'm not sure I got it, and I didn't follow the midi analogy. Here's an analogy of what I "think" it might be.

Let's say I have a Deck of Starndard playing cards. I devide that deck up into 3 seperate stacks. So I can only see the card that is on top of each individual deck, right? So in my analogy the card on top would represent Frame 1 of a video clip, while the cards underneath it that I couldn't see would be the subsequent frames of the video. Let's say for my analogy's sake that the cards on top of each deck was the ACE of Spade=AS, Queen of Hearts=QH, and the King of clubs=KC. So in the media pool in Vegas for each stack would appear the frames AS,QH,and KC. Also with the media pool, I could then control the length of how long AS, QH, and KC appeared into the video preview window and then in addition to this put transistions between each of these frames and this would then also appear on the video preview screen. So let's say in my media pool I could put the order of the stacks as AS,QH, and KC. I could then in the media pool shuffle my stacks around so that the order would then change to let's say KC, AC, QH and then this would immediately reflect into the video preview window.

Am I on track with this analogy?
FuTz wrote on 4/24/2004, 9:19 AM

Woah... I stopped reading. Too many posts. But I have to agree a lot with you monica. I'd really like this feature, that could be implemented into MediaBin (a simple switch to go from media bin to storyboard) or simply be represented as another window that we could tuck in this lower left corner ...
But I have to tell that I'm going to use these bezier/mask/other features that V5 came up with too when my stories are built. It's not one over the other, it's one *with* the other.
And, PeterWright, not to start a argument here (really, really not) : in fiction, yes, you can have a scenario/storyboard in advance. But in documentary, most of times you get "another film" in editing room. And this application would be of great help to visually look at the options or the project in a whole prior to making this final edit.

So far, I'm not deceived at all with Vegas but yes, you definitely get my vote on this storyboard feature. Definitely. Moreover if I consider I NEVER use MediaBins as they are now...
busterkeaton wrote on 4/24/2004, 1:52 PM
Peter,

If someone is working just as an editor, then they may not have any control over preproduction.

Also if you are making a documentary, many shots cannot be planned.
farss wrote on 4/24/2004, 4:05 PM
I know about that, the trick I believe other NLEs can do is to magnify JUST the selected portion of the T/L. Maybe that isn't a clear explaination. Say you're looking at the TL at 1 minute per tick, you can magnify one portion so its one frame per tick, much like using a real maginifying glass.
Simply enlarging the whole thing means you easily loose track of where the detial you're seeing fits within the larger picture.
farss wrote on 4/24/2004, 4:22 PM
Peter,
thinking about what monica wants the stoyboard feature to d I don't think is compatible with the way Vegas works. Certainly you should have a storyboard to start with but they may only define scenes. Within those you'll have muttiple shots or maybe even takes of shots from different angles. Now being able to build a storyboard from what you've got sounds very attractive, being able to just play around with the storyboard and have that reflected in the TL sounds even nicer. I can see that working IF you're constrained to a single video track or A/B rolls but I cannot see how that's going to work when you've multiple tracks and composites happening.
That's why my earlier suggestion that you might be much better off doing that part of the production in a simpler application than Vegas.

Bob.
JJKizak wrote on 4/24/2004, 4:44 PM
Did anyone mention that there is a script for storyboarding? Is it any good?

JJK
sonofmickel wrote on 4/24/2004, 5:37 PM
Trimm your shots, Arrange them by the picture that shows on the first frame or by name, select them all and drag to the timeline where you can apply dissolves etc. Don't like it? Create another storyboard with the events in a different order, drag to timeline and the computer automatically lines up the events ine the order they appear in the storyboard. If you need to do overlays and other things to the video just drag em' over the other clips while copying them at the same time. Save each one as a different sequence.
This is what storyboarding is all about. FCP has had it this way for three years. But I like the Vegas way just a little better. It sure would be nice to have storyboarding in Vegas as well as Photoshop import with layers. Imagine importing a PSD with Alpha-no need for keying anymore stills! pan, zoom, pull focus with gaussian blurs, no muss no fuss. FCP has had this for 4 years! I hope Satish can fix Vegas. Oh, frameseveing would be nice too......EDL, OMF etc......
PeterWright wrote on 4/24/2004, 7:13 PM
Okay - you can't move things around in the Media Pool by clicking and dragging, but you can do this by either Renaming them or better still adding a Comment, then in Detailed View, clicking at the head of the appropriate column. This will put the clips (or subclips) in whatever order you want.

I know it's a workaround, and I'm not saying you shouldn't have "storyboarding" but it does work.
BillyBoy wrote on 4/24/2004, 7:28 PM
I haven't seen storyboarding mentioned once prior to the release 5 ranting we're seeing now. If it was, it obviously slipped under the radar likely because most don't give a s...

How big a request can it be if nobody has talked about it at length if at all? Yes, some entry level applications have it. Been there done that. Years ago. I thought when you move up to Vegas you'd be past the training wheels phase Monica.

I bet you love brightness and contrast too.

Snicker.

Suggestion to Sony. Create a new forum, call it whiners and their rants. Let the handful of people that are NEVER satisifed or happy no matter how many new features Vegas has whine there till they're bule in the face.

This forum should be for people that want to LEARN HOW TO USE THE APPLICATION, not endless whine about what it doesn't do.

There.... I said what a lot were thinking. Sometimes it pays to be known as outspoken. <wink>



Cheesehole wrote on 4/24/2004, 11:48 PM
farss:Say you're looking at the TL at 1 minute per tick, you can magnify one portion so its one frame per tick, much like using a real maginifying glass.

Sounds really cool. Does anyone know what NLE has this feature?
farss wrote on 4/24/2004, 11:54 PM
I believe FCP, but as I try to steer of the dark side that could be totally wrong.
Nat wrote on 4/25/2004, 12:00 AM
sonofmickel :

Vegas can recognize the alpha layer of a photoshop file since version 2 if I'm not mistaken.... No need to key...
PeterWright wrote on 4/25/2004, 1:31 AM
You can also save each layer of a .psd as a separate file and have them each on their own track,. for independent application of FX, motion etc.