>>The 9900K runs Vegas 18 just as fast as any other CPU out there right now because Vegas is not optimized for multi-cores above 6-8 cores...
THis came up in another thread .. the thing is that right now the parts you might want to build with your 9900K (like RTX 3070 or 3080) are not available .. I've been waiting to build 6 months! .. Seems like buying might be the only real option if you want state of the art ..
It seems that system builders have the parts to build new PC's. Some with high markups, others not so much.
I built mine a couple of years ago (sig). I wanted to upgrade my graphics card which came from my "old" computer, but the current ones were not worth the cost. I waited for the RX5700's to come out... waited too long to buy. Now, I can't buy any graphics card because they are priced so high.
Buying a pre-built might be the only option. Sad, isn't it....
But I have to say, my RX480 8GB works fine with Vegas, and I am using gaming drivers.
>>The 9900K runs Vegas 18 just as fast as any other CPU out there right now because Vegas is not optimized for multi-cores above 6-8 cores...
THis came up in another thread .. the thing is that right now the parts you might want to build with your 9900K (like RTX 3070 or 3080) are not available .. I've been waiting to build 6 months! .. Seems like buying might be the only real option if you want state of the art ..
@xberk Within VP, theres not a huge benefit in going from the RTX 2000 series to the RTX 3000 series, maybe getting one of them instead is an option?
vegas not optimized for multi-cores above 6 to 8 cores ?? Where does that come from ?
I have been editing very many projects in sony vegas pro 12 and 13 and rendering with all 20 cores ( 2 x 10 core Xeon's ) at full 100% load whilst rendering and damn fast ( GPU=OFF ) . ( see my profile for system builds ) . GPU=OFF and lots of dynamic RAM for instant real-time previewing complex scenes , have always given the same never-crash day after day editing feel-good experience as the good old sony vegas 5 to 7 versions on win XP 😃
vegas not optimized for multi-cores above 6 to 8 cores ?? Where does that come from ?
I have been editing very many projects in sony vegas pro 12 and 13 and rendering with all 20 cores ( 2 x 10 core Xeon's ) at full 100% load whilst rendering and damn fast ( GPU=OFF ) . ( see my profile for system builds ) . GPU=OFF and lots of dynamic RAM for instant real-time previewing complex scenes , have always given the same never-crash day after day editing feel-good experience as the good old sony vegas 5 to 7 versions on win XP 😃
When you are using GPU for render you can see that the difference between CPUs disappears:
https://techgage.com/article/best-cpu-for-rendering-video-encoding-spring-2021/3/
Intel claims a big performance boost with their next generation of CPUs in Vegas, though:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/intel-hardware-claim-from-intel-for-vegas-pro--127933/
11900K .. Hmmmmmm ... this might be state of the art CPU
11900K .. Hmmmmmm ... this might be state of the art CPU
I shared elsewhere on the Vegas forums that I think it's worth the wait to see how the 11900K performs before making a build decision. The 11900K has only had 8 cores, but like the Techgage CPU/GPU combo score demonstrates, Vegas still benefits from core clock speed vs. more cores... The 11900K only has 8 cores, but it will have 18% better Instructions Per Cycle, an improved iGPU, and improved encoding, so it should be a good one until a future Vegas update better-utilizes multi-core CPUs...
vegas not optimized for multi-cores above 6 to 8 cores ?? Where does that come from ?
I have been editing very many projects in sony vegas pro 12 and 13 and rendering with all 20 cores ( 2 x 10 core Xeon's ) at full 100% load whilst rendering and damn fast ( GPU=OFF ) .
The numbers come from those of us who have used both the old Xeons and modern CPU/GPU combos for the SAME projects. My 9900K at 5 ghz, VEGA 64 LQ (undervolted & overclocked), and Vegas 18 blows the socks off of my old overclocked 4 ghz Xeons regardless of how many cores the Xeons have. There have been so many improvements to Vegas since V13 that they are hard to compare... For instance, V13 only used the GPU for certain older codecs. For those of us editing 4K intermediates to AVC & HEVC MP4 the gains of a modern CPU/GPU combo with Vegas 18 are very worthwhile.
As far as the QUALITY of renders, I send my clients the intermediate of their choice plus the AVC & HEVC MP4 for easy viewing. If they want a higher quality MP4 render, they have the intermediates to make their own... Most people that only want MP4 quality cannot distinguish the difference between a CPU-only render and CPU/GPU render. Also, APPLE uses the VEGA series in their NEW $6000+ Mac Pros & iMacs, so if those GPUs are good-enough for Apple, they are good-enough for making my MP4 renders...
@xberk Problem I've had using integrators in the past is they tend to have their own pet vendors and I found I had to do part swaps after the fact when issues arose. Even with identically spec'd gpu boards, the actual manufacturer matters. They also tend to go with minimums on things like memory specs while I go the other way and over-spec which ends up paying off in performance and reliability. Same with innocuous things like fans and power supplies. Put in the research and cherry pick the parts... if you're up to that.
Regarding cpu and mobo... if you're leaning towards Intel, I suggest you wait for availability of the z590 and put an 11900K in it. I've had good success with the older Asus Extreme XI with a 9900K and the XIII with an 11900K is the new z590 version with onboard Intel Iris/Xe. Ha, ha, just wait till someone else here tries one out first.
I am leaning toward Intel and building my own .. I've built my own boxes for the last 20 years. It has paid off. In all that time, I've never run into a situation like today where the components you'd want, like video cards, are impossible to get.
I like what I've read about the 11900K cpu .. looks like sweet spot.
Anyone running Vegas on a i9-11900k? I still think that's the sweet spot for Intel CPUs. I'm thinking of pairing this with an RTX 3080 .. Sticking with Intel and Nvidia seems to me safest for Vegas .. I've got to do something. My PC is 8 years old !!! Still can't get parts to do my own build .. but system builders seem to be getting parts.
I like what I've read about the 11900K cpu .. looks like sweet spot.
Not sure what you read but a guy in here bought 11900K based on lies from Intel, and now he knows it's a very average CPU. He did not know how to interpret their marketing benchmarks about Vegas Pro and was scammed. the 10900K looks like the better cpu, cheaper more cores and faster
10900K is 10th generation Intel, Skylake core, same core going back to 6xxx series.
11xxx is 11th generation Cyprus Cove core, aka Rocket Lake. Wider microarchitecture among other internal improvements for an overall 19% (about) IPC (instructions per cycle) advantage over Skylake/Comet Lake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Coffee Lake Refresh, Kaby Lake Refresh, ... all same core.
Alder Lake, coming late October/November will be a hybrid architecture with up to 8 "big" Golden Cove cores which will be 18% better IPC over Cyprus Cove (Rocket Lake), which is nearly 40% better than Skylake at equal clocks. All of this disclosed at Intel Architecture Day a few weeks ago.
In addition 12900K will include 8 small Gracemont cores, which are upgraded Tremont (Atom) based and are looking to have about Skylake performance. Despite what many people think most software does not seem to utilize more than 6-8 cores very effectively so the 8 "big" Golden Cove cores will be very useful, with the smaller Gracemont cores taking care of much of the OS "housework" background tasks.
I will be building a new system this fall and am going to wait for Alder Lake release/performance results.
You might want to wait a bit if you are buying/building now.
Also as I side note, I don't want to comment negatively about anyone's work flow as all are valid but I simply don't understand the use of rendering to Vegas output formats? I frameserve to Handbrake and it seems the quality is much better than any codec in Vegas at equal bitrates.
10900K is 10th generation Intel, Skylake core, same core going back to 6xxx series.
11xxx is 11th generation Cyprus Cove core, aka Rocket Lake. Wider microarchitecture among other internal improvements for an overall 19% (about) IPC (instructions per cycle) advantage over Skylake/Comet Lake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, Coffee Lake Refresh, Kaby Lake Refresh, ... all same core.
It is best to look at real world benchmarks and 11900K is slower then 10900K in Vegas Pro and most other software. It's has an advantage with 422 10bit HEVC decode over 10 series if that's what you do
Alder Lake, coming late October/November will be a hybrid architecture with up to 8 "big" Golden Cove cores which will be 18% better IPC over Cyprus Cove (Rocket Lake), which is nearly 40% better than Skylake at equal clocks. All of this disclosed at Intel Architecture Day a few weeks ago.
Based on leaked benchmarks and leaked pricing it 's the one to get
My object is full frame rate playback (decoding) with FX like Chroma Key .. Rendering speed is secondary .. My footage is nearly all 1080p AVC .. I had thought initially that a Ryzen 9 5900 would give me smooth playback using FX with GPU turned OFF .. ???
Turning off GPU decoding is best performance increase for me with 1080P60 video, playback is much smoother.
Anyone running Vegas on a i9-11900k? I still think that's the sweet spot for Intel CPUs. I'm thinking of pairing this with an RTX 3080 .. Sticking with Intel and Nvidia seems to me safest for Vegas .. I've got to do something. My PC is 8 years old !!! Still can't get parts to do my own build .. but system builders seem to be getting parts.
@xberk Just put one together and turned a little photo array I had documented the build with into a video slide show: 
Not sure where you are but the only parts really hard to get in the US where I am are video boards. Particularly the 3080. Been scavenging from older machines and am using a 5700xt with the 11900k at the moment. Really wanted to get a 3080 myself but now thinking in terms of going with an amd 6000-series even though Vegas support for them might not be 100% yet... mostly because their raw performance is looking pretty good and they seem to be becoming more available.
Anyone running Vegas on a i9-11900k? I still think that's the sweet spot for Intel CPUs. I'm thinking of pairing this with an RTX 3080 .. Sticking with Intel and Nvidia seems to me safest for Vegas .. I've got to do something. My PC is 8 years old !!! Still can't get parts to do my own build .. but system builders seem to be getting parts.
@xberk Just put one together and turned a little photo array I had documented the build with into a video slide show:
Not sure where you are but the only parts really hard to get in the US where I am are video boards. Particularly the 3080. Been scavenging from older machines and am using a 5700xt with the 11900k at the moment. Really wanted to get a 3080 myself but now thinking in terms of going with an amd 6000-series even though Vegas support for them might not be 100% yet... mostly because their raw performance is looking pretty good and they seem to be becoming more available.
Nice video of the build .. thanks.. whose text to speech software was that?
@xberk ... about this time last year, I looked at the options of upgrading my 2014 i7-4770 Dell XPS desktop to something more modern. This was some months after Grazie had a well-populated post about how he should/could go about building a new computer. I was seriously looking at a custom build but the then existing 5 kms radius lockdown rule (which unfortunately is back in force right now) made travel to my desired custom builder impossible. So I went for a Dell Alienware Aurora 11 (specs in signature). Six months later, there was a problem when the computer wouldn't boot. Dell Australia had a techo to my home within a few days (it should have been much quicker like the next day but their techo booking system inexplicably messed up) and it turned out that Windows 10 had magically erased itself from the C drive - the C drive drive was blank/empty/0 kbs. After reinstalling W10 and all of the programs, all has been good since.
To jump back a little, the delivery of the computer was delayed because there was a difficulty with Dell getting the GPU - so the availability of GPUs was evidently a problem a year ago even for Dell. A possible conclusion is that if a high-end GPU is important, then there might be a better chance of getting one via a volume seller like Dell of HP albeit perhaps not without a delay.
Just my twopence worth.
Ok this narrows down to 10900K or 11900 with RTX300 Ultra .. or 5900X with RTX 3080 ultra .. ?? Waiting 6 more months for some newer Intel chip is not an option .. My PC is 8 years old!
Ok this narrows down to 10900K or 11900 with RTX300 Ultra .. or 5900X with RTX 3080 ultra .. ?? Waiting 6 more months for some newer Intel chip is not an option .. My PC is 8 years old!
I hear you. I'm still running a Haswell based 4770K circa 2013! I've gone this long so I figure I can make it a bit longer.
If I upgraded right now I'd go with 10850K. You'll get the 10 cores of the 10900K, nearly the same clocks and save some money that can be put to better use elsewhere.
If I upgraded right now I'd go with 10850K. You'll get the 10 cores of the 10900K, nearly the same clocks and save some money that can be put to better use elsewhere.
This is what I did when I built earlier this year. The 10850K is a great proc imo, but I had to wait on the EVGA list until an RTX became available which was a few weeks ago. All they had was the 3060 XC, but I'm very happy with the overall performance of this combo in VP and other apps. I guess it could be considered sort of a budget build, but it screams for the $$.