http://www.quitwhining.net/MiltBio.htm
http://davidmichaelkennedy.com/gallery/album02?page=2

hardly a "30 or 40 something."

Nah....Vic's not a professional either. All the brass on his wall, the Juan Valdez commercials, the many, many years of Air Force commercials, the Irish Spring stuff, work with Dennis Hopper, Sam Waterston, etc, etc,....they are all just a lark. In his real life, he's an author of a book called "Quit Whining."
Just curious BB, since you spend so much time telling everyone who's in here making a living using Vegas, cameras, lighting, or sound gear that they're not professionals, who or what IS a professional in your book? I'd still really like to see any of your work other than the one stream you have on the Chienworks site. I know others here would also like to see it. You're pretty critical of everyone else, I'd like to see on what foundation of your own work that you base those criticisms on.

Back on-topic, there are some really wonderful vids that have been entered into the contest. I'd encourage y'all to take a close look at them. I've been downloading them as they come in and loading them onto a Vegas timeline. Like someone else commented, it's like a mini film festival. Some are amazing in their quality, others are great in their concept, and still others are ...interesting.

sometimes I act my age, other times I act my shoe size!
BTW reading about all the new things in V6 almost made me wet my Superman Jammies ! I just use the old style ignore this user: I stick my fingers in my earsclose my eyes and humm, . : p

Casting Notice:

Seeking Sumo Wrestlers for the upcoming 2005-2006 Vegas forum season.

Date of Audition: 4/10/05
Time: 10:00AM
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New York, NY 10019

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John

Oh, the crown prince of video needed to chime in with another taunt. No off topic thread would be the same unless the chief... oops sorry about that, make that the king of OT added his two cents.

Now Spot, get a grip, I know you want to tell us again about that time you done some bit work for Little House on the Prarie, but heck that was what 15, 20 years ago? As I keep telling you I'm not interested in a game of show me yours, I'll show you mine, because that's so bush league. I know you think this fourm is where you think you can drum up some business, but sorry, its suppose to be about Vegas, not about Spot or your company.

While you and Cline constantly try to paint yourself as "professionals" its curious not once that I recall have either of you showed us an example of your work. Very odd indeed for the two biggest braggers in the forum to never actaully show their work. Just endless screaming your professional with nothing to back it up. I also recall once going to your site after you bragged about what you could do with supersampling, then you hid from sight once many in the forum tried to duplicate what you did using your instructiions and it didn't work for anybody. You never really explained, but I digress.

I'm not about to beg clients for releases just so you and your little clique can try to find fault with my work which is obviously what you would do. So thanks, but no thanks.

To answer your question, who or what IS a professional in your book?

That's very simple. One that acts like it. When do you think you can try?

The subject title say's it all ( SOMETHING TO SEE HERE !!! ) yet another thread hijacked ! Thats about all you will see here .

Jon

"Professional: engaging in an activity for gain or as a means of livlihood, a person who engages in an activity with great competance."

I'd add that in any profession the usual yardstick of anyones competance is peer group review. I think it fair to say DSEs peers have already cast their votes judging by the awards he's already won for his work.

Perhaps if Mr BB could drag himself out of "retirement" and do some work for his peers to judge, his constant whining might have a little more substance.
Bob.

BB, are you married?

actually, bob, I'm going to add in another direction for "professional".

in my book, anyone who is paid to do what they are doing is a professional... be it a ballplayer, an artist, a street girl, or a video whatever...

Not necessarily any good, or talented or subject to peer review... simply able to honestly say, "yeah, I was paid by someone for that".

Now (as you clearly understand) - you cain't stay a professional on BS alone - pretty quickly, you've got to deliver the goods. (Like dude... I give "good film"...)

no... actually how "good" you are is subject to standards existing at the time of review - it's very subjective, and in a medium as new as video... constantly subject to variation, fad and change.

MTV put a whole community of "professionals" on the bench and I had to re-learn to shoot with a hand-held "shakey-cam" - boy did THAT go against everything I knew (but I digress...)

but if you've got a half dozen paid gigs - in my book - you're a pro - so let's see your stuff... we can ALL learn something from each other.. and that's no lie. you see, I love this site, tho, professional or not. I've learned a heapload of things right here - and I love the "OT" things that can go in any/every direction, from "things on sale" to advanced "exetential philosophies" - great stuff - and often hilarious - plus an interesting study in group interactions. There's a feature already written right here on this site!

I know many of you get the same kick out of this forum that I do... it's all "good stuff", although, like many families, it's prone to a certain amount of disfunctional behaviour... but what else can a guy do when it's dark outside, and the thought of cutting just one more scene will make you scream out loud??
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lmao@Arks00

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

Agreed, my definition was pretty narrow, in fact in some circles the term is even narrower in meaning, being reserved for those who hold formal qualification at the degree level.

Bob.

My def was always that broad, but I differentiate between good pros and bad ones, when I'm talking to people.

Dave

A Professional Lift

I have earned my living as a professional news videographer for many years. On one occasion while videotaping a liquor store robbery shooting scene, I was in position and set up behind an ambulance to capture the paramedics stretcher gurney shots of victims into the ambulance. A videograhper from a late arriving news station showed up and ran over to the back of the ambulance and stopped three feet in front of my camera postion and began shooting. This comlpetely blocked my shots.

I stepped forward and politely asked the photog to move left or right so as to not to block my position. His reply to me was that "He Was a Professional" and worked for a TV Station as opposed to me being only an Independent Freelancer. So, I offered the photog a professional lift out of the way with my free hand. In turn he displayed an amazing amount of martial arts kicks and punches for a guy with a Betacam on his shoulder. He missed me badly but he did not miss kicking an punching an LAPD Officer. He ended up getting himself arrested and charged with assault on a Police Officer and also got fired from the station. I received a very nice letter of apology from the station that recognized my professionalism in the industry.

Imagine that.

Jay Mitchell

MTV put a whole community of "professionals" on the bench and I had to re-learn to shoot with a hand-held "shakey-cam" - boy did THAT go against everything I knew (but I digress...)

Michael Chapman talks about when he tried filming the home movie sequences for Raging Bull, he realized no matter what he did, it didn't look like home movies, because his compositional instincts were too good. (This is the guy who handheld most of Jaws on the open ocean.) So he gave the camera to Scorsese and it still wasn't working. They finally ended up giving the camera to a Teamster and that is the footage that is seen in the film.

some people think the Director is the king of the set...
some say"no... it's the producer!" -
"the exec producer"...
"are you kidding, it's the star"
the backer
the studio chief...

here's the truth... no matter who you are you're going to get some "lip" from someone, at sometime, on a busy set...
but NOBODY EVER talks back to the teamster!!

:>))

Look,
All joking aside BillyBoy has helped as many people on these forums as any of the others in the Manage a Trois. Getting into this business of "What's your contribution?" is foolish, unproductive, and unfair to all three. Each of them has had the patience to help those who need it and ask for it. And that has been for several years now. It should not be dismissed for any reason. Lightening up and joking about it rather than finger pointing seems to be a more fair way to handle it even though we would all like to see it stop.

John

...and I had to re-learn to shoot with a hand-held "shakey-cam" - boy did THAT go against everything I knew (but I digress...)
On one project for a :30 commercial the director told me over and over "the camera needs to move more...like the edgy MTV look..." As much as I tried we had to spend 2 hours keyframing in post to give it the "MTV look".
Randy

Dave, changing the subject title to what you changed to only shows you're a jackass, not the "Christian" you pretend to be. It never ceases to amaze me that those that acuse me of making noise always make the most noise, start off topic threads, rant and rave, then demand the moderators kill the thread they started. Very telling Dave. Maybe you need to "pray" more.

Dave,
Maybe you SHOULD change the title back to diffuse the situation. It is pretty inflamatory. Why should Sony have to police this forum? You can handle this all by yourself. Get rid of the title.

Respectfully,
John

Before this thread gets killed... and since it's way off, way OFF TOPIC anyway... I've been dying to ask this:


Why is there so many religious folks using Vegas (at least on this forum)? There are so many links to religious videos, and christian videos edited with Vegas... I wonder if there is a reason why Vegas gets used in this fashion. Maybe this could be a documentary in and of itself. Vegas, or Sin City, seems like the last NLE I'd install on a church bought computer.

For what it's worth, I'm not religious (you can thank 12 years of catholic school for that -- and a girl friend that found Jesus one day) and I usually bite my tongue when asked to critique some of the more spiritual oriented videos posted here, but today I feel a bit evil and wanted to express my non-religious beliefs... I dislike religous videos and think that most lack almost any creative energy, but I can't say so because religion is so touchy around here.

There I said. (Sigh....)

What gives?

-jeff

Wow!

That'll sure diffuse the situation Jeff!

John

So John, are you saying I wouldn't make a good hostage negotiator?

I think I've been spending too much time reading these forums and I start to think/type out loud, as do we all at times. I guess I need to edit thoughts/words before i post.

But I just have this bug in me today.

Jeff, we "religious folks" consider Vegas a "blessing." Maybe that explains it.