I don't understand the fuss about a credit roll. They're lame and boring anyway, and no one reads the names when presented in that fashion.

TV shows don't use credit rolls.

I'd add another thing I suggested ages ago.
A slate generator. We already have a project summary page, if need be that could include all the info to go onto the slate. Good looking slates are free publicity, Avid does this very well.

don't understand the fuss about a credit roll. They're lame and boring anyway, and no one reads the names when presented in that fashion.

TV shows don't use credit rolls.
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They are a necessity for a production and besides, it's a BASIC editing tool - not a frill.

John

...can't we use track motion for this ?
I'm asking cause every time I had to put motion on titles, I did lettering in Photoshop with transparent background then imported in Vegas and used track motion to make whatbloodyever movement I wanted the titles to do.
That's why, also , I never complained about titler in Vegas: never used it cause I never felt I needed it !
(but I don't do movies with 100 names in credits so I have enough of the extremities Track Motion offers)
And that's when I put motion on titles anyway, which is 90% of the times: never. Personnal taste.
Happy to know some people are happy tough, lol.

Tutorial on the ProType Titler by Gary Rebholz can be seen here

j razz.

I have a 45 minute "super 8 home movie" made in 1976 that at the end uses a credit roll. It is exactly what I needed. It exactly fits the film. While I would rather have programming time being spent on "better" stuff, if I got a better credit roll I wouldn't complain.
I also feel I need to say that of all my paid work that personal 1976 super 8 film is my most favorite of all things I have done when it comes to film/video. There are other things I can be more proud of and the film is crap but it's my crap and everybody who was in it loves it too. So tools are there for all reasons and all people.

As Harold mentioned, a credit roll is going to be used by hobbyists making their little home-made movies. It has little place in broadcast or event work. Actual films may have a couple hundred people to credit, and there may be some union thing about how long their names must be shown, which in the case of a credit roll, is painfully slow.

As a user of LiveType and comparing the little bit I've seen of ProType... ProType does NOT come close to LiveType and its many Pre-Sets, Templates, & LiveFonts.

Also, from what I've seen so far... ProType doesn't have any type of Templates for throwing together quick titles that also look like you spent forever on them like LiveType or PremierePro's Titler.

Don't get me wrong... I'm loving the direction of ProType... but feel that it's still short changing us when compared to the other NLE's titlers. I think it's just that we haven't had a titler in Vegas worthy of anything that now we are simply overjoyed with having something better.

Check out LiveType if you haven't already... ProType still has a way to go.
(Plus... knowing LiveType puts you @ 70% ahead in Motion)

Don't get me wrong... I'm looking forward to ProType.
I just hope they continue to develop it.

LiveType's awesome, and I don't even own a Mac. Apple made some wise purchases to implement into FCP.

As you said, ProType is definitely a step in the right direction. Will it ever be equal to LiveType? Probably not, but it's a big improvement nonetheless.

I'd submit you have that half-right. Protitler isn't Livetype by any means....it's also significantly faster, FWIW. Livetype is a great tool, was a better tool when it was IndiaPro Titler, IMO.
On the other hand, ProType Titler can store exceptionally complex, multi-layered title sequences for one-button recall, with just about every non-3D parameter you can think of.

As Harold mentioned, a credit roll is going to be used by hobbyists making their little home-made movies. It has little place in broadcast or event work.
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Little place in event work?

I need a credit roll at the end of every high school musical I shoot. I would consider that "event work" not "hobbyist work".

There is no good reason not to improve this tool. It is clumsy and rank amateurish as it has existed in Vegas to date and as a "professional editing tool" the software development team should be embarrassed to keep it in that state. You can't even put a drop shadow behind the letters and that's just for starters. Are we kidding? Stop making excuses for it. The credit roll generator is a joke and has endured complaints from many people on these forums for YEARS.

John

John,
you are so right. Last year I rescued a late Tropfest entry for a group of Macolites. They were totally blown away by Vegas and the fact that I just kept saying "No problem, I can do that or I can fix this for you..."

Until at 1 AM they insisted I redo the credits to give me a BIG thank you. Trust me it wasn't out of shyness that I tried my best to avoid having to redo a fairly basic credit roll in Vegas. The miracle was I managed to get it close enough to keep them happy. The kindest thing that could be done to the current credit roll generator is to delete it. Not only is it a dog to use the output looks horrid, there's simply nothing "Pro" about it.

Bob.

Every theatrical release has a basic, long credit roll at the end. CRs are not used only by amateurs making little home movies.

Douglas,

Thanks for taking the time to put together those YT teasers for the Vegas Fraternity.
I know I speak for others when I say we don't take your unselfish contributions for granted.
You opened the door to Vegas for me and for a lot of others on this forum.
Had a question.
Will the quality of titles produced with Pro Type approach those of Cayman Graphics?
That's why I went to Cayman, and for the credit roll.
May be worthwile to say the use or non-use of a credit roll does not make a project professional or consumer.
It's something you can use if the need arises, like just about every other titling or editing fuction or feature in VP8.

So I still don't see an answer: does V8 have a new credit roll tool?

24Peter, the existing credit roll generated media still exists and works the exact same way.

Why can't you create Credit Rolls another way? is it *REQUIRED* that you use the "Credit Roll Generated Media" tool? In the past, I've always used the REGULAR Text Generated Media and "rolled" it using the Placement tab. You could do the same thing with the new titler as well - just enter the text and manually add the 'roll'.

Our method here (on the rare occasion we need a credit roll) is to take a word document, already formatted, and copy it into the text generator.
Then pan/crop or keyframes in the title tool are used to generate the roll. It allows greater options this way, anyway.

Spot,

Is there any 3D functionality in the titler at all, even rudimentary 3D drop-box text-type features?

Ian.

Along with Ian's question, I'd like to know if you can add a 2D "Beveled" look like one might in Boris or Photoshop, etc.
Not a true 3D bevel, just a beveled look.
I always find that makes the text pop just a bit more - along with a soft drop, which we've always had access to.

It looks like the new V8 pro titler is more versatile than the basic one we've all used for years; but for higher-end titling it looks like we still need to use AE or lightwave or proanimator or one of the other apps out there...for highest-end titling effects...

it's nice to see that at least they Did do something to improve it with V8, compared to the same from V4-5-6-7 all these years... it would be nice to see more 3rd-party scripts/plugins to enhance the new titler if it needs it.. looking forward to trying it out next week..

-ken

"it's nice to see that at least they Did do something to improve it with V8, compared to the same from V4-5-6-7 all these years... it would be nice to see more 3rd-party scripts/plugins to enhance the new titler if it needs it.. looking forward to trying it out next week..

Agreed.

Spot,

Out of curiousity, what format do you use when posting video to YouTube? Comes up so nice and clean. Or is that more do with how it is shot originally?

Thanks,

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