Vegas 10 release info

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TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/10/2010, 7:27 AM
I'm not saying 3D isn't a neat feature or wouldn't be useful (like higher then HD res in Vegas 4 being supported when no one else did even HD), but the beizer path display in pan/crop STILL isn't back since 4, no news on enhancements for PTT to make it more inline with the rest of how Vegas works, no 7.1 sound (that's been a home standard for years now).

The Audio Event FX & Track Management sound great & I like the idea of GPU acceleration, but don't like it's only with limited hardware. What happened to their partnership with AMD? No ATI support to? I COULD switch to an nvidia card but then I'd have issues with everything else that uses the GPU.

I'm still going to try the demo *BEFORE* I buy & there's a good chance I'll get this one & resell 8 (because of the features added with 9 & 10 make it worth it imho). But it's like the 48 hour film project this year: people wanted it to support 3d. But they don't even do HD or 5.1 surround in my city & people want 3d more! What happened to audio is important too (note: I like the stuff sony seems to have done to the sound side of things!)

I, personally, can't wait to see the new plugin SDK. Depending on how it is, maybe someone could integrate Blender in to it.
elvindeath wrote on 9/10/2010, 8:01 AM
Glad I didn't upgrade to v9 when I bought my new rig a month back ... this will make a nice early birthday present. I just hope they offer the same upgrade discount for beta-testers ... er, early adopters.

This will be great for me, moving from v7 ... and the Track Grouping alone should make it worth the change.
CorTed wrote on 9/10/2010, 8:14 AM
No mention of price anywhere.
Does anyone know what the cost for this upgrade will be?

Ted
rs170a wrote on 9/10/2010, 8:25 AM
Does anyone know what the cost for this upgrade will be?

From the second link that Yarin gave:
Upgrades from previous versions of Vegas Pro are available for U.S.$249.95

Keep in mind that this not an "official" SCS price, only what's on a web page.

Mike
busterkeaton wrote on 9/10/2010, 8:51 AM
I'm most intrigued by this :

-- Video Plug-in SDK: Video Effects Plug-in Architecture: Vegas Pro 10 now
offers a completely new video effects plug-in architecture based on the
Open Effects Association standard.

Anybody know about the Open Effects standard?
TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/10/2010, 9:15 AM
looks like the OGL of Graphical FX: http://openeffects.org/dokuwiki/doku.php
Seth wrote on 9/10/2010, 9:57 AM
The OFX API will basically take Vegas from 'Prosumer' to high end in one release, for the simple fact that the only existing OFX plugins are high end, costing, on average, from 2-8x what Vegas does. These are very sophisticated finishing tools that are usually found in Nuke or Avid DS systems.

The question, as stated before, is whether or not any current developers of OFX plugins will take the Vegas user base seriously enough to port their industry-leading, high end tools to a prosumer VFW host.

SCS has made it clear that WE are the ones deciding Vegas' fate. So...

Demand Directshow. Demand OpenGL. Suggest OpenCL.

Just my $.02

- -=Seth
John_Cline wrote on 9/10/2010, 10:56 AM
"perhaps i'm just getting cynical in my old age...."

Yes, I think you are. I don't understand some people's rabid opposition to 3D. Personally, I think all documentaries should be in 3D. We see in 3D for crying out loud, that would just enhance the perception of "you are there."
TheHappyFriar wrote on 9/10/2010, 11:03 AM
Yes, I think you are. I don't understand the some peoples rabid opposition to 3D. Personally, I think all documentaries should be in 3D. We see in 3D for crying out loud, that would just enhance the perception of "you are there."

which goes back to my point... you hear things all around you & vegas still uses 5.1 surround. 3D is brand new & still not determined to be a fad or the next thing in home entertainment. 7.1 has been out for years.

I noticed with the new plugin SDK it supports GPU acceleration. I wonder if that means you can make plugins that support one specific brand of card vs another.
LoTN wrote on 9/10/2010, 12:15 PM
Demand Directshow. Demand OpenGL. Suggest OpenCL.

Me2
vegasmon wrote on 9/10/2010, 1:06 PM
Any improvements on the Titler ? also any new info on the replacement for Cinescore ? I was hoping they would have partnered up with Smartsound and added a plugin...anyway so far I like what they have in this version.
Guy S. wrote on 9/10/2010, 5:35 PM
I find the inclusion of 3D editing rather than GPU-accelerated time line performance deeply disappointing.

It's been noted by many on this forum that edits do not stay in sync with music and narration when editing AVCHD. Some have complained about his - and been flamed for their troubles. But in all the posts I've read, I've not seen anyone requesting 3D editing.

We have been begging Sony for bread, but they have decided that a rock would be better for us.

Disappointing. Truly disappointing.
TheDingo wrote on 9/10/2010, 6:05 PM
...I'm another Guy that also feels that this is a disappointing release.

I have no use for anything 3D. My clients don't want it, and I personally feel that the new 3D is still the same gimmick from the 1950's just implemented with better technology. I expect the new 3D to be dead in the water within the next 5 years. ( Even the 3D in James Cameron's "Avatar" seemed very artificial to me, like watching 20 layers of animation cells overlapping. )

...I had hoped for two main things with the next release of Vegas:

GPU-acceleration applied everywhere

A Better Pro-Titler ( the current pro-titler is very unintuitive, I always feel like I'm jumping through hoops to use it )

I will likely skip this release and hope that Vegas Pro 11 finally delivers something useful to me. ( will put my money into upgrading my Adobe CS3 package to CS5 instead )
Former user wrote on 9/10/2010, 6:30 PM
Scheduled for release October 11.

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro10

Dave T2
srode wrote on 9/10/2010, 6:59 PM
wonder what the pre-release upgrade price will be? Not sure the AVCHD GPU rendering will be any improvement over the smart rendering in 9c - I'm still using 9C instead of 9e because of the smart rendering. Maybe if the time line is loaded with special effects or if it improves the preview window performance. Will be interesting to hear about the results.
PeterWright wrote on 9/10/2010, 7:44 PM
Every feature does not have to be something everyone wants. I don't need 3D, and I don't need surround sound either, but I can see the value of these to others.

But there are several other really good advances included, well worth around $250, which is nothing in relation to what one can earn with Vegas.
Rob Franks wrote on 9/10/2010, 8:02 PM
"But no 7.1 audio? We get 3D, which VERY few people even can use but no 7.1 audio"

7.1 audio is part of the DDex, DTSplus and DTS HD spectrum. About the only programs out there that will work with this (legally) are programs like Sony Blu Print at a cost of thousands of dollars.

Still... it would be nice to see at least DTS pass-through for Blu Ray. Those of us who have DTS encoders are kind of stuck in the mud with very little to author it with.
Rob Franks wrote on 9/10/2010, 8:19 PM
"Yup I totally agree with you Bob re 3D negative comments. While most of us (at the moment) will not utilise the Vegas 3D, we will in the future."

I think this is a great thing.
We got some people looking at Vegas who never looked before when native RED was introduced. I'm not sure any one else is going at 3D with the vengeance that SCS is. My guess is that this will do nothing but make Vegas even more popular.
CClub wrote on 9/10/2010, 9:06 PM
I'm very interested in the Vegas 10 features and will definitely be upgrading, but there's not a chance I'm using version 10.0.a right away. I may install it but not use it for any current or paid projects until it's clear it's stable. I installed probably the last 4 versions on the day they became available, and it just seemed like we've been beta testers.
Yoyodyne wrote on 9/10/2010, 11:10 PM
3d! YESSSSSS!!!!!

I'm working with a company that is just getting rolling with 3D. Right now they are using a plug in to Final Cut pro - can't remember the name, sorry.

Can't wait to check out the 3D functionality in Vegas! I, for one, am stoked!
megabit wrote on 9/10/2010, 11:47 PM
And my humble opinion is that with 3D becoming such an important part of the video industry, it should be available as a payable part of Vegas Pro suite, with the core functionality being cheaper - yet anyway, just for getting better in each new release, costing a user a new couple of hundred dollars every other year...

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craftech wrote on 9/11/2010, 3:36 AM
OK,

I'll make the same complaint I have been wasting my breath on for more years than I can even remember.

In light of the "cutting edge" 3-D technology in Vegas 10, have they finally fixed the amateurish Vegas 2.0 Credit Roll generator?

John

Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:25 AM

"And my humble opinion is that with 3D becoming such an important part of the video industry, it should be available as a payable part of Vegas Pro suite, with the core functionality being cheaper - yet anyway, just for getting better in each new release, costing a user a new couple of hundred dollars every other year..."

Excellent thoughts, Piotr! Something to think about, for sure.


Jay Gladwell wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:34 AM

"In light of the "cutting edge" 3-D technology in Vegas 10, have they finally fixed the amateurish Vegas 2.0 Credit Roll generator?"

Your question is not all that different from my first post above, John. For the life of me, I cannot understand why certain basic functions that are lacking are continually ignored while new functions are included that a small fraction of the editors will be using.