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JJKizak wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:58 AM
Vegas is like exploring the Universe. I will purchase 10 no problem.
JJK
Chienworks wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:58 AM
"And my humble opinion is that with 3D becoming such an important part of the video industry, it should be available as a payable part of Vegas Pro suite, with the core functionality being cheaper - yet anyway, just for getting better in each new release, costing a user a new couple of hundred dollars every other year..."

I have no use for the back seat in my car or the light in the trunk. Can these be unbundled so i don't have to pay for them? Only folks who want them should have to pay.
megabit wrote on 9/11/2010, 5:46 AM
Can these be unbundled so i don't have to pay for them

Yes - get a coupe :)

But seriously, this is not a fair analogy. For as long as "the automobile" has existed, not much extra R&D money went into the back seats, or trunk light, development, when compared to how much was spent on cars' performance, safety, etc...

With 3D only emerging, we who do not plan to use it will have to pay for its development, and / or suffer from the core functionality not taken care of enough, because of the 3D "cutting-edge-competitiveness" involvement of SCS manpower...

What this means is more basic bugs and shortcomings, more support tickets closed as "Resolved" after sending just a canned type of answer, etc.

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JHendrix wrote on 9/11/2010, 7:47 AM
"GPU Accelerated AVC Encoding: Users with CUDA-enabled nVidia video cards are now able to encode to the Sony AVC format with improved rendering performance and speed"

what does this mean?

is it anything like what PPro CS5 can do?
bsuratt wrote on 9/11/2010, 7:51 AM
From a practical standpoint, home 3D will likely be very slow to "catch on" because at this time there is no technology that will allow TV networks to transmit the 3D data on the same channel as HD... will require a discreet channel. Doubt that many networks will go that expense until the market is there, if ever. Look at how long it is taking Blu-ray to catch on. (And you don't need special glasses to enjoy Blu-ray!)

I think it is great to have the latest/greatest but I would have preferred to have more effort devoted to better quality downrezzing of HD (the most current used acquisition medium), to SD DVD, (the most current used delivery medium). That is a major requirement now and for the forseeable future!

Kinda ridiculous to have to Frameserve out to VirtualDub to create a clean downrezzed SD for DVD. If a free add-on can do this why not the built in Vegas function? (And I believe this is true for all major NLE's)

farss wrote on 9/11/2010, 8:09 AM
"Kinda ridiculous to have to Frameserve out to VirtualDub to create a clean downrezzed SD for DVD. If a free add-on can do this why not the built in Vegas function? (And I believe this is true for all major NLE's)"

Good grief, why in the world are you doing that?
No problem for me or any other Vegas user that I know of getting clean downrezzed SD out of Vegas.

As for the rest of your comments about 3D well um, there's a lot of it being broadcast down here and in the rest of the world as well and NO the broadcaster does not need an extra channel, you do comprehend how digital broadcasting works, the whole channel thing is kind of dead.

Bob.

AnthonyTower wrote on 9/11/2010, 8:47 AM
Editing 3D footage on a sub 2000$ system.....this is truly where no man has gone before......WOW!
Congrats Sony!
The icing on the cake now would be to be able to open complete multitrack projects created, for sake of argument, in the next version of ACID PRO intact, i.e. with each track's meta data and all, in VEGAS PRO 10.
Cheers
John_Cline wrote on 9/11/2010, 11:18 AM
"With 3D only emerging, we who do not plan to use it will have to pay for its development, and / or suffer from the core functionality not taken care of enough, because of the 3D "cutting-edge-competitiveness" involvement of SCS manpower."

From a software development standpoint, it was probably relatively easy to implement 3D in Vegas 10. I doubt it took them much time at all.

Like it or not, 3D is coming. There are already a number of 3D camcorders available, Panasonic has a consumer model for $1,399 and Aiptek has one for $199. There are even 3D webcams for $60. Aiptek will be releasing a $200 8" 3D display that works without glasses.
rmack350 wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:30 PM
Kelly, I have long legs and really don't need the front seats in my car. Maybe we can work something out...

;-)
Chienworks wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:36 PM
Ahhhhhh, so you're the guy who played Hightower, eh?
rmack350 wrote on 9/11/2010, 4:45 PM
Usually Basil Fawlty comes to mind. Anyway, if you send me those back seats I could send you my front ones and then you can put them in the open space where the back ones used to be and everyone's happy. Right?

Rob
Massimo Rossi wrote on 9/12/2010, 5:09 PM
-- Video Plug-in SDK: Video Effects Plug-in Architecture: Vegas Pro 10 now
offers a completely new video effects plug-in architecture based on the
Open Effects Association standard.

If that statement means Vegas 10 will be able to load and use any standard OFX plug-in installed on the system, this can really expand its capabilities, since as you said OFX filters are very sophisticated and high level tool found in Nuke and Avid DS like clip retiming, object removal, tracking, stabilization, masking, painting and so on.

But if this simply means Vegas will adopt a new SDK standard based on the Open Effects Association, then I agree with you it couldn't be enough to convince OFX developer to release a Vegas version of their filters.

Let's wait and see what version will be true. Hope the first...
BrianAK wrote on 9/12/2010, 5:51 PM
"From a practical standpoint, home 3D will likely be very slow to "catch on" because at this time there is no technology that will allow TV networks to transmit the 3D data on the same channel as HD"

You know ESPN is launching a 3D network, basically they are compressing the left and right eye channels to fit within existing bandwidth.

I'm excited about stereo support, and I love 3D (implementing shuttering technology). Agree it will be slow to catch on, but IMO it will and people will catch on once they see the shuttering technology.
PeterDuke wrote on 9/12/2010, 6:01 PM
"Like it or not, 3D is coming. There are already a number of 3D camcorders available"

I remember when quadraphonic tape recorders came out and even quadraphonic headphones. Quadraphonic died but Dolby surround rose from the ashes.

We shall see.
bsuratt wrote on 9/13/2010, 12:51 AM
"No problem for me or any other Vegas user that I know of getting clean downrezzed SD out of Vegas"

Then why the huge number of people bitchin' about it in various forums?

Bob, that is true for normal video without fast moving action, downrez is fine... but try fast action watersports.... downrez in Vegas (and everything else) is a mess!.

Last I checked we here in the states still have OTA channels, Ch !0, D1, D2, etc.

Bottom line, economic conditions will have a lot to do with broadcasters adoption of 3D...and they are cutting back and laying off sharply at this time.

John_Cline wrote on 9/13/2010, 1:38 AM
"it is meaningless"

It's meaningless to you, which doesn't actually make it meaningless for everyone else. Regardless, we can always count on you for an uplifting and positive post.
DigVid wrote on 9/13/2010, 4:23 AM
"-- GPU Accelerated AVC Encoding: Users with CUDA-enabled nVidia video cards are now able to encode to the Sony AVC format with improved rendering performance and speed."

So, will this CUDA implementation also allow Canon 7D "AVC" users the benefit of accelerated speed? Or, is this somehow just a benefit to proprietary Sony AVCHD?
Quryous wrote on 9/13/2010, 6:58 AM
Am I the only one interested in THIS line from the new blurb:

-- Image Stabilization: New stabilization tools greatly reduce jittery or shaky video sometimes caused by hand held recording.

With the Movie Studio version they got a rendition of the new Mercalli version 2.

Is that what is included in the Pro? If so, is it the FULL version, or only part of it? The full version will even work on multiple clips, which is something very new.

Quryous
Dreamline wrote on 9/13/2010, 9:41 AM
Hell the ps3 won't play the 7d's files but plays the tm700 and the cx550 files beautifully, so I bet this will NOT work with the Canon files. These companies have their fingers in so many future pies that everything is a BIG BIG BIG MESS in the HD world. Some people were even foolish enough to buy into HDV. lol
Hulk wrote on 9/13/2010, 11:09 AM
I really hope V10 does AVCHD Smartrender reliably.

As for 3D I'll add my opinion. It is taking a heck of a long time for many people to make the move to HD from DVD (SD) resolution video. And we're talking over 4 times the resolution in the jump from SD to HD. Anyone with good vision who sees the difference between the two on a good display will instantly see the difference. Yet the masses are still slow to make the change.

Moving to another format, say one with higher resolution that 1080p or even 3D is going to be unbelievably difficult. On a 60" display the difference between 1080p and 480i is going to be A LOT less noticeable than 1080p to a higher res format to the general public. It'll be a long while before those technologies move to the favorable side of the price/performance curve.

3D is and always will be a fringe fad in my opinion. I have checked it out and unless it was a no cost option on the gear I buy I can take it or leave it.

- Mark
Guy S. wrote on 9/13/2010, 12:25 PM
<<A Better Pro-Titler ( the current pro-titler is very unintuitive, I always feel like I'm jumping through hoops to use it )... ( will put my money into upgrading my Adobe CS3 package to CS5 instead )>>

Ditto, and ditto again.
JJKizak wrote on 9/13/2010, 12:32 PM
Fisheyes:
Yes,NBC,ABC, CBS, FOX, PBS all bought into HDV MPEG and they are still using it. I guess they were all suckers.
JJK
John_Cline wrote on 9/13/2010, 12:43 PM
Technically, a broadcast MPEG2 stream is up to 1920x1080i at up to 19.125 Mbps. However, most broadcasters stick an SD subchannel or two in the stream which reduces the HD bitrate to 12-15 Mbps which is riddled with blockiness and motion artifacts.

HDV is 1440x1080 at 25 Mbps. High-bitrate MPEG2 looks perfectly acceptable. (30-40Mbps MPEG2 on a Blu-ray disc looks great.)

Regardless, I don't understand FishEye's blanket condemnation of the HDV format. Actually, I don't understand many of the condescending remarks he makes here on the forum.
jwcarney wrote on 9/14/2010, 7:22 AM
Very excited about this release. If OpenFX works properly, then a whole slew of compositing plug-ins could be available. Many that have hardware acceleration in their own right.. I've been wishing for this since version 7.
Let's hope it works.
Like the other stuff too.

7.1 would have been nice, but most people still have 5.1 systems at home, and I only have 5.1 mixing capabilities for now anyway.

question. Does Vegas 10 finally fully support 10bit color space in Cineform? As in rendering out?