Did anybody read my post?

Why, of course we did! :)

It states clearly on the requirements page that you need Vista or 7. It has nothing to do with OpenCL drivers.

Windows Vista offers quite a bit of new functionality (Windows 7 even more), which is simply not available on XP. For a programmer it makes perfect sense to use the new functionality and create a truly competitive product rather than support old versions of the OS. Otherwise we all would still be writing software for Windows 95, or even Windows 3.1.

Actually most of the Windows software i write and put out there runs just fine on anything from Win95 through Win7. If i booted up an old Win3.11 computer and compiled it there it would run under Win3.11 as well. I've never felt hampered by avoiding newer OS features.

OK, granted, my software is nothing compared to the complexity of Vegas. However, relying that heavily on the OS usually isn't necessary.

I don't believe it's replying on the OS, it's replying on features of other software that aren't available on an older OS. IE GPU companies could stop writing drivers for older OS's, .NET could not be supported any more on a previous OS, interface calls, etc.

For example, Win Vista/7 could be required because XP doesn't support GPU hardware acceleration support built in.

OK, granted, my software is nothing compared to the complexity of Vegas.

I was talking about Vegas and video editors in general. MS has completely revamped its video handling in Vista and 7.

"If EOS was 2009, how come they are still pushing updates to us poor XP users? I did read the fact sheet, but I must have missed something..."

Actually - the Windows XP "true" End of Life is April 2014. XP is now in it's Extended Support phase....as you could see if you clicked on the Windows XP tab of the link that was posted and I quote:

"Windows XP Support and End of Sales

Even though we ended the sale of Windows XP on October 22, 2010, we still plan to provide support for individual users and businesses until April 2014. "

However - this has nothing to do with any vendor - like Sony - choosing to not support it any longer. Leaving XP behind is par for the course for all the major audio players like Steinberg etc....

Windows 7 is well done and so far beyond XP - I can't see anyone needing to stick with the old girl...and I haven't hit a single piece of software in my stash (including lots of old weird stuff) that hasn't run in Win7.

Time to move on.....

Cheers,

VP

Did anybody read my post?
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Why, of course we did! :)
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I believe it does.

The main "feature" of the new Vegas 11 appears to be as stated:

Now featuring GPU-accelerated performance with OpenCL™-supported devices, Vegas Pro 11 powers through video processing and rendering tasks with ease.

Apple promoted Open CL technology as an open standard for graphics through the Khronos Group.

Intel® OpenCL SDK 1.5 works on the following operating systems:

* Microsoft* Windows* 7 (32-bit version)

Therefore I believe that it is the Open CL implementation (the main feature of Vegas 11) that is the main reason that SCS does not list Windows XP as supported.

But I believe it can be made to run on Windows XP. You will probably need Visual Studio 2008 and the Intel Open CL SDK drivers and/ or the graphics hardware driver as well.

John

John,

And yet people have successfully installed it on systems with an old and unsupported GPU card as long as their OS was Vista or 7. It works just fine without a GPU. You can even turn off GPU acceleration and everything works.

In the list of system requirements, Windows Vista/7 is listed first, a GPU last.

John,
Interesting point...

I am already on the 280 driver from nVidia and if I read on the link you posted, their R280 driver already includes OpenCL 1.1.

So how do you get past the Vegas installer check.

Just curious, as I will likely upgrade to Win 7 in the new year.

Tom

Whenever I have upgraded to a new OS I usually just buy a new 320GB HDD. Leave the old boot drive in tact in case you have to boot to it for some forgotten info.

I keep all my data on secondary drives so 99% of the time I only need to unregister Adobe Creative Suite, export Dreamweaver site files, and export Filezilla site files. Then install the OS and all the software including reassigning user data folders to the correct data drive. Except for Adobe Creative Suite, I have gotten it down to about 4 hours for the whole process.

And by the way, Windows 7 is the first OS that hasn't required multiple fresh installs during it's life time. Windows XP and Win95/98 usually required a clean install every year to clean up odd slow down issues that happen from testing software.

So how do you get past the Vegas installer check.
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I haven't tried installing it. I don't know about the "installer check".

John

I am very frustrated Vegas is not supporting my TRS-80, TImex, Commodore 64, or DOS.

Seriously, Windows 7 has been out for so long that Windows 8 is already being teased.

Of course, just like an old Mercedes or BMW, older versions of Sony Vegas will continue to work with older operating systems. Just don't play with any new technology and you should be fine...

Hey, I am surprised and almost disappointed that Sony is still supporting 32 bit operating systems.

Hmmm .. like the analogy.

Since I just got a new BMW, perhaps I should spring for a new OS, eh?

Tom

The legacy of XP is Internet Explorer 6 and all the bad sites and trojans out there. It's time to move on people. Let's all try to at least get with the 00's.

Honestly, you couldn't pay me to run XP anymore...security nightmare if nothing else.

actually, v11 works in XP. tested h.264 GPU export, works too. but no GPU video processing... (will test later)

the main installer blocks XP, but the secondary installer not. just need to get the installer inside the installer (like inception ;P)

what happened with the render dialog??? new one is so weird....
ouch, the effects now have that "OFX UI"... well.. i guess i will need to get used to it... :(

edit: i believe i don't have GPU processing option cause i have a GT9800 2gb. site says need a GT 4xx or newer.

Interesting, Malowz. Where lies this "installer inside the installer"?

I also expect V11 could be moved from Windows 7 to XP using Laplink PCmover Pro, if anyone really really had to. That's how I got V10 to install in XP x64 SP2 (by moving from XP 32-bit SP3).

Thanks. So one needs initially needs access to a supported OS (i.e. not XP) in order to do this?

Indeed. Don't upload the files. But thanks a lot for the method. If I decide to upgrade on my XP computers I could borrow a Win7 laptop at the time. Will probably take advantage of the good upgrade deal before the end of November, for the NB titler if nothing else, then sit on it until at least an "a" or "b" update, or perhaps until building a new Win7 workstation. For me, a lot depends on whether the big bug(s) have been fixed.

Edit: By the way I can't see your image.

try again later, imgur is having problems. ;P

I clung to XP for as long as I possibly could but on the last build a few weeks ago decided I would finally move from XP 32 bit to the retail version of Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit. Retail so that as one poster mentioned there are no activation issues when rebuilding a system.

Anyway it was much easier than I thought. I upgraded a bunch of software to the new 64 bit versions, Office, CorelDraw, and a few others, and stayed with a few really old applications that run fine in 7 64 bit, like Quickbooks 99. If it's not an application requiring performance or new features and will run in 7 then I keep the old version.

The only thing I found, and am still finding a challenge is adapting to the new windows explorer. It's just not as intuitive and efficient as the one in XP, even with Classic Shell installed, which makes it better but not perfect.

Of course VP10 64 bit is running great and now I have the peace of mind of knowing I made the change and should be good for a while as long as software and drivers remain 64 bit. And while I realize things keep changing I don't think we'll be moving to 128 bit for quite a long time.

32 bit can access 4GB
64 bit can access 18+ Billion GB

I know there is more to it than that but the main reason for much of the increased performance in 64 bit is due to the ability to access all RAM installed in a system.

Solution: forget the explorer, and learn Total commander :-)

Or Directory Opus, another great Explorer replacement.

One reservation I have about upgrading to Windows 7/64-bit is that there were indications that the "Vegas replaced the footage" bug is specific to that platform. As there is no "fixed bugs" section to the V11 release notes, there's no knowing if that's still not the case. Other than waiting for user reports.

For those of you who are running your business on Windows XP, you should be aware that end of support for Windows XP was April 14, 2009. That means you are running your business on an unsupported product and if something breaks, Microsoft support is going to tell you to upgrade to Windows 7 and call them back. So you have been playing with fire for several years now and it is time to face that fact. How can you expect Sony to continue to support an OS that the original manufacturer no longer supports?

Business support is completely different than consumer. My day job has 70,000 people/workstations/laptops who are running on the XP OS and we do have MS support for XP.