Vegas 6 Features -- It's That Time Again...

vitamin_D wrote on 11/12/2004, 1:21 PM

Hey,

Just writing to see if we can stir up some talk about the next major Vegas update before it hits code freeze, as complaining after it's been released didn't seem to get me far last time :D

My personal wishes include:

A skinnable UI, or a button to revert to the Vegas "classic" look of versions 4 and under -- as it stands, I'm generally not one for needing a skinnable interface, but then I can't say I like the choice Sony made for me with the 5 UI, you know, the Hello Kitty Interface...

Better media management -- something I'd assumed was a given for 5, especially all the word play it gets on just about every Vegas related forum, or has gotten in the past. And now I see Frank Capria at DV Magazine cites it as one of Vegas's glaring cons. Take some cues from the better capture and logging utilities out there and go from there.

AAF/OMF/EDL support -- I know it's not going to happen, I just figured I'd put it down for the sake of posterity :) Another Capria con in the recent DV review, incidentally.

Network Rendering -- I can't imagine improvements to the net rendering services will be easy, but at the same time I think it's safe to say they're necessary. While we're on the topic of rendering, something to speed it up in general for Vegas would do a lot for its professional reputation -- hardware support for a proprietary codec, for instance, might not be a bad idea. Again, I'm betting the reason it hasn't happened isn't to a lack of interest from the programming and design team at Sony -- moreso a limitation with the Vegas architecture -- still it's something of a needed area of work.

Official, well documented and easy to understand Decklink support and integration -- I know this has been something on the burner for a while now, but I can't easily get a clear answer as to how well Vegas supports the DL cards, their proprietary rendering services/codecs/etc. This goes for HD support in general -- it's the new buzzword, and while people like BJ_M seem to be happily working with HD and Vegas, the rest of the world needs to know what Vegas can do.

Higher bit rendering engine -- is this at all realistic? Avid has 10bit codecs; AE has a 16bit engine; Is a higher bit render engine in the works, and if not why?

That's it for starters -- anyone else?

- jim

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BrianStanding wrote on 11/13/2004, 2:13 PM

1) Some way of temporarily engaging and releasing "Ignore Event Grouping" or "Auto Ripple." Maybe a preferences setting to automatically turn off "Auto Ripple" and "Ignore Event Grouping" after the next timeline action is complete? Maybe a hot-key to engage and release?

2) Port all of Acid 5.0's spiffy new features to Vegas:
- VST support
- nested tracks
- Media Manager "search and tag," "scan disk/web for media files" and database search functions
-bus to bus routing

3) Allow selection of regions, events, markers, etc. by double-clicking the appropriate listing in the Edit Details window. (Like Sound Forge does)

4) An "Open in Image Editor" function that works like the "Open in Sound Forge" function.

5) More snapping options (snap to event edges across tracks, snap to edges only, snap to both edges and transition points, snap to cursor only, etc.)

6) Nested timelines PLEASE!

7) Ditto showing the name of the preset in the FX window! Should be a no-brainer.

8) A cutlist function like Sound Forge's. This would allow you to mark events for deletion, preview the timeline as if the cuts were complete, then automatically delete all marked events whenever you want. It would also be nice if you could have the option of automatically selecting all events in the selection area on all tracks, to facilitate cutting whole segments out of a complicated project.

9) A Storyboard function. Ideally, Vegas would allow you to re-sequence subclips inside Media Bins, preview selected clips in the Video Preview monitor, and automatically drop/insert selected clips to the timeline, all in the selected order.

PierreB wrote on 11/13/2004, 2:43 PM

- Floating toolbar... I'm always short of vertical work space

- Event-specific markers (that move with their associated event)

Pierre

rs170a wrote on 11/13/2004, 10:07 PM

Lloyd66 wrote:
At least allow the clip to be sped up more than 400%.

You already can. The Velocity envelope allows you to go 300%. CTRL-click the end frame and drag it back to get a further 400%. Render that to a new track and repeat as required.

Mike

rmack350 wrote on 11/13/2004, 10:09 PM

Prerenders should behave like they're footage on a track. They should follow ripple editing just like everything else.

Render to new track ought to have more choices. like render to top, render to (named) track. and it could default to the last track you picked.

Being able to save presets and maybe browse them in a bin or something might be nice.

Now that we can save subclips, how about being able to add more fx to them-like event pan/crop? I think we could get much more mileage out of the trimmer than we do. It could be very useful in manipulating individual media or their subclips.

Rob Mack

RichR wrote on 11/13/2004, 10:49 PM

>>...the name of that preset should be there when the FX window is reopened - not "Untitled".

ABSOLUTELY!!!

I thought I was the only one annoyed by that.

You don't know if your preset is applied or not, unless you go back and do it again.

Ditto!

BJ_M wrote on 11/13/2004, 11:10 PM

"Event-specific markers (that move with their associated event"

good one ..

simojo wrote on 11/14/2004, 5:40 AM

I would really like it if Vegas would natively support the Tascam USB control surfaces, like the US224 and US428. Vegas is such a great audio program, but as it is now I'm using Adobe Audition/CoolEdit for multitracking. And since I'm getting good at Audition, I'm using Acid and SoundForge less.

I'm not a pro (obviously), shelling out huge bucks for a Mackie surface and doing 48 channel mixing; just a hack needing two inputs.

C'mon Sony, it's an easy implementation. I can't believe you havent done it already.

jmpatrick wrote on 11/14/2004, 6:07 AM

<<<<<When a saved preset is used in an FX etc, the name of that preset should be there when the FX window is reopened - not "Untitled". >>>>>

Thank you. This has been driving me nuts forever.

jp

Sab wrote on 11/14/2004, 7:16 AM

Nested Timelines
Better Titler
Track Motion Pre-sets

Mike

Rosebud wrote on 11/14/2004, 8:43 AM

1/ NESTED TIME LINE (i will be very disappointed if v6 dont have this feature)
2/ Audio event FX on Time Line
3/ Audio media FX in Media Pool
4/ Better trim (mutiple Event like Liquid Edition)
5/ Better Real Time preview (like Edius)
6/ Overwritte Edit Mode (like ALL NLE, Assemble mode)

ken c wrote on 11/14/2004, 11:37 AM

- nested timelines
- better titler, like bluff titler
- better/faster updating of timeline thumbail clips
- tool/utility like boilsmith.com/womble's MPG/VOB editors/joiners.. eg easy instant cut and paste for mpgs, vs render-only

ken

Nat wrote on 11/14/2004, 11:48 AM

If V6 gets Acid's folder tracks and nestable timelines, it's gonna be one of the cleanest timeline of all NLEs, compositing will be much more easier, less clutter !

ushere wrote on 11/14/2004, 2:38 PM

oh such a simple request;

basic edl input - ie, in / out / reel number (WITHOUT having to have a tape in camera!).

it's truely amazing that sony paid no attention to the off / on line input capabilities of their pro video editors, from the bve series through to the es7

leslie

golli wrote on 11/14/2004, 2:45 PM

"AAF/OMF/EDL support -- I know it's not going to happen, I just figured I'd put it down for the sake of posterity :) Another Capria con in the recent DV review, incidentally."

I know it's not going to happen!!!???? A Video/Audio Program, (competing on a Pro level) released in 2005 without an AAF/OMF import/export function?? A waste of time IMO. It just can't be true that Vegas 6 will be released without it.

rmack350 wrote on 11/14/2004, 5:34 PM

No, it's not really amazing at all. Sony bought Sonic Foundry about at the time that Vegas5 was being finished up. Also, these aren't the same divisions of Sony anyway. Kind of like expecting HP's Server division to know what the Calculators division is doing.

But I have slightly higher expectations for future versions.

Rob Mack

Spot|DSE wrote on 11/14/2004, 6:27 PM

You already CAN replace media at the timeline. Just drag the new event up there while right clicked, choose Add as Take.
I know, you'd like to have a right click submenu that says "replace media" but where do all these things go in the grand scheme of things? Submenu is already pretty dang long.

PH125 wrote on 11/14/2004, 8:58 PM

PLEASE a better titler!!!

OpenGL support

16 bit colorspace

Spot|DSE wrote on 11/14/2004, 9:04 PM

And where will you be getting 16bit footage? And the computer that will manage that much color at the necessary framerates?

Grazie wrote on 11/14/2004, 11:17 PM

Ok Spot, and thanks for the "I know, you'd like to have a right click submenu that says "replace media" . . ", how about a "Submenu Preference" - a Submenu I can choose as to what I want? Bit like a Customizable Toolbar . .we got that? Then I could Customize that Submenu . . yes?

I think this is great idea .. . well I would, wouldn't I?

Grazie

oglo wrote on 11/14/2004, 11:20 PM

- Deck Link support
- EDL/AAF
- usable track motion curves (the current ones are ajoke)

Rednroll wrote on 11/15/2004, 6:58 AM

1. The ability to write CD Text.
2. Rewire, so that I too can have a DAW that can be rewired with Acid.

John_Cline wrote on 11/15/2004, 8:28 AM

I agree, 16-bit colorspace is overkill, however, a 10-bit colorspace isn't. I could really use it.

John

rs170a wrote on 11/15/2004, 8:38 AM

RS-422 control so that older pro decks (BetaCam, etc.) can be directly controlled.

Mike

vitamin_D wrote on 11/15/2004, 9:31 AM

Nested timelines -- hear, hear!!

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