If SCS is stumped then how will 9 improve things?

Rob

"and the SCS development team is stumped"

This usually means that SCS cannot replicate your problem.

Well I think for 90 % people sony vegas runs with very few problems and compared to some other NLEs its less bug ridden.
If you persist with a bug my suggestion would be to do a clean install of your system and check its stability before installing vegas.
Vegas 8 runs fine on my PC with vista 64, with (touch wood) no issues.
IMHO the only other route Sony could take would be to be like Avid and only offer support for certified systems and components.
hope you sort the bug.
cheers john (happy vegas 8 user)

I had recently experienced Vegas haning up on me during rendering projects greater than 10 minutes. This was very frustrating, but ultimately I swapped out my RAM (since its so inexpensive now days.) It solved my problem and now back to running as normal.

I had another experience where a PC Game crashed constantly, put it on another system and it never did it.

I know these scenarios are specifc to what started the thread, but demonstrates that the problem is not so easy to identify. Personally I have taken the concept of having multiple systems available, that are custom built and not exactly the same.

Just my two cents,

Chad

"the SCS development team is stumped"

You are not alone. Just to be specific I'm talking about problems they can reproduce and have as yet been unable to fix.

Bob.

Unsubstantiated, Unofficial Rumor...
I hate to stoke the rumor mill with unsubstantiated information, but a couple weeks ago on another forum a user indicated that Vegas Pro 9 was released to registered beta testers on Feb. 28.

I have no idea as to where his information came from. He is a relatively new Vegas user, and I'm sure is NOT a Beta tester himself. (He might visit these forums on occasion, but is not a regular here.)

Certainly there are Beta testers who are regulars on this forum but they can't say anything either. Just guessing, but I would think at the very least an announcement about Vegas 9 would be made at NAB. I have no idea how long a typical Beta test would run before product release, though.

"I hate to stoke the rumor mill with unsubstantiated information,"

Well..... Pretty much EVERYTHING (vegas... plugins... etc) are on sale right now so SOMETHING is up.

Pretty much EVERYTHING... (is) on sale right now so SOMETHING is up.

Let's just hope it's something good.

Well if it's out let's hope the upgrade is not just bells'n'whistles'n'patches.

"Well if it's out let's hope the upgrade is not just bells'n'whistles'n'patches."

That's not fair. You didn't even have to pay for your DVDa5 upgrade.... or 8.1..... did you.

There have been nothing but SIGNIFICANT advancements in just about every version I've seen to come out thus far. Unlike other software vendors, EVERY single version that has been put out has been well worth the upgrade... I don't see any reason SCS would change that stance now.

"IMHO the only other route Sony could take would be to be like Avid and only offer support for certified systems and components.
hope you sort the bug."

I, personally would love for SCS to do something similar to this. If they would just periodically release the technical specifications of their current testing setups, I would only build my computers to those specs. I believe that any problems I've experienced HAVE been hardware conflicts, but it's impossible to avoid those without some guidance on what equipment will run best with Vegas.

Wish it was fixes for ancient nuisance bugs and simple (no-brain) exportability of multitrack cuts & dissolves to FCP etc. They could make their and our lives easier by involving us more in the fixing and testing, e.g. access to a formal bug and new-feature tracking page. Some of the bugs are silly little things (e.g. track motion property gets lost when first event is deleted i.e. it ought to be stored as a property of the track not an event) but these waste editing time and risk embarrassment. And that thing about not providing a plugin-friendly interface is crazy, probably the biggest hole. Ability to use AviSynth ".avs" files directly as media files would be cool. Then maybe it would be less Vegas 9 and more Vegas Ja!

What I had in mind was OMF and AAF support.
And BWF save (poly).
In one word: compatibility with the industry.
Special dissolves, fx or else, I don't mind they add more or not.

BTW, still on V7 and thinking about using Vegas for audio pro purpose but I just CAN'T if I have to deal with other broadcast platforms. No HD yet, my main job in real life is audio. And reading about how "easy" it is to manage HD (compressed HD indeed), I just don't feel I'll go there yet... but that last point is not only for Vegas, it applies to lots of software out there.

I didn't get V8.1 or DVDA last version for free... :)

And of course, the same compatibility with what I just called "the industry" applies to video too.
To me, ridiculous since it could be the way to get a whole lot of people who already know Vegas to get into it for, uh, life...
And I know, people who edit and package all the stuff into their studio to deliver and don't have to deal with people "out there" don't need all of the above. Of course. Obvious. No great statement here.
But years after asking, it's the same point of no return that blocks a lot of Vegas users to use it all the way around, in and out of their studio. Years of asking.
Like I said from time to time: Sony acts in PC world the same way Apple acts in computer world: "my blinkered way".

Agree 101% with all that you're saying.
I'll add native XDCAM EX support to the wish list for V9.

Fixing 32bit float would be good.
Ditching it altogether and replacing it with 16bpc would make a lot of sense.

Bob.

We will see a new Vegas at the NAB 2009 Convention in Las Vegas.

Monday, April 18

And yes,...Vegas 8C rendering problems are making me feel like clawing my face off sometimes. (Yes,..it's the widely documented and well known quad core rendering issue)

I was hoping for an 8D patch before 9,,....I guess it's not going to happen now.

CT

SCS official NAB press announcement says they'll show Vegas 8 with DVDA 4.5...

This doesn't mean they couldn't preview V9 at NAB, but it makes it less likely they'll be shipping it anytime soon.

I HAVE A DREAM and the oscar goes to...
What I had in mind was OMF and AAF support.

And of course, the same compatibility with what I just called "the industry" applies to video too.

We ring the bell long time ,now it's about time , I am sure you can give a nock out on round 9,please don't wait for round 12.

and in additional ,motion tracking on event beside or integrate with mask event wil bring the ultimate unique production tool for the broadcast industry.
and opptional tool : in and out v/a marker in trimmer window.

Hallelujah.

Bjørn, where did you find that announcement?

Jøran

>> Vegas 8C rendering problems are making me feel like

My wish is just that the SCS guys wake up one morning and decide to take a look at the world outside their narrow cubicles. They will discover this fantastic new thing that everybody is using, it is called "The Internet". They will also discover that there are a couple of video formats used on this "Internet" that are quite popular.

Maybe, if we are REALLY lucky, the SCS team will be able to get the rendering fixed. Maybe they will understand that when you render for the internet, putting the MOOV atom at the END of the file, requiring a full download before viewing can commence, is REALLY stupid. Perhaps SCS will have made a token attempt at delivering a tool that can create Blu-Ray disks would be a good idea. Isn't Blu-Ray some Sony thing really?

I am looking forward to Vegas 9. If I see the token "improvements" continue and SCS is STILL not clued into the 21st century, I'll go elsewhere. At the moment, in my experience, SCS software has no edge in stability over the competition (they used to) and they are less clued in to what is going on than someone who's been locked in a cave since 1985. That doesn't mean that Vegas is bad software, only that Vegas is developed by a company that is so badly damaged that it will never be fixed. Then it will be time to jump ship. Being the last drowning rat at the top of the mast going "the next version will be a lot better" is always a little pathetic.

I won't do the Ulead analogy again, just point out that the crooks at Ulead are still selling Media Studio Pro, DVD Workshop and Cool 3D to unsuspecting users. This is three, four and six years after they pulled ALL developers from these products and stopped ALL bug fixing. Probably still a fan our two out there.

A company that is not in tune with what goes on in the world will struggle to maintain sales. A company that is incapable of maintaining a strong focus and direction is similarly doomed. SCS seems to be struggling in both areas.

The latter first. SCS should have been a strong Blu-Ray backer. It is a Sony format. When the first BD burners hit the shelves they should have shipped with a scaled down version of DVDA with BD capabilities. What happened was slightly more pathetic. SCS was eighteen months late to the party and what they eventually shipped can hardly be called a success. It barely works (for BD). Granted, the market for BD software in the prosumer world is slightly limited, but the fact that they were both a little late and a lot short means that they are not even trying to use Sony resources to be a leader in this game. That means that there is not a single visionary at SCS, not a single person who can see what they could do inside Sony. Or worse, there is such a person but he is shouted down or given the silent treatment.

Worse than not even trying to utilize the strength of being Sony though, is the fact that it doesn't seem like SCS engineers and Product Managers have looked outside their windows in ten years. Hellooooooo. The Internet happened a long time ago. YouTube happened four years ago. Is there anybody out there in Madison or where ever you are who have ever tried to browse the net? Honestly, there is NOTHING in Vegas right now that makes delivering content for any of the most popular online services a reasonable experience. Not even Windows Media is particularly well supported. I strongly prefer encoding to WMV from the Microsoft software.

That was my biannual rant about this. Random place for it. A sick company rarely produces healthy software. I am looking forward to Vegas 9. Mostly because it will then be possible to make a good final diagnosis. If Vegas 9 doesn't shine (sorry) it's dead. It'll take a while, but it's dead all the same. In this economy, with a parent company in this much trouble, it's inevitable.

I can't say how I know this .....but V9 will be showed at NAB. ....I was at the Digital Signage Convention in Las Vegas a couple of weeks ago doing some computer work for someone..... got talking to some software geeks.....and something leaked out.... But I guess you guys already knew that.. I heard that there are some pretty substantial upgrades in there too.

I think that Vegas is not as far as some may say from being considered a top knotch editing program. Remember it retails at only $500 and you can find it for a lot less. (me get for $99). Compared to some of the other stuff out there I am grateful for something that seems like a reasonable value. I just think that they are behind the curve a little on some things... There are so many realitively new codecs out there that to get something that can handle all of them with ease and still be affordable is quite a challenge.

Tom M.-Most 64-bit system/ Vegas problems have to do with codecs. I went from Mpeg2 to AVI and now am having no problems at all.
I went back and forth for weeks with a guy at tech support and got no where! The guy didn't have a clue what I should do. I found this forum and got some advise from you guys and fixed everything. Thanks!!
So next time start here and you'll get it sorted out faster.


Anyways...I'm not too unhappy.

ice

"Maybe, if we are REALLY lucky, the SCS team will be able to get the rendering fixed."

Rendering fixed?? What's wrong with it?

"I'll go elsewhere. "

Well... if you feel you must....