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John_Cline wrote on 5/3/2016, 5:20 PM
Sure, you can customize any of the Vegas templates for frame size, frame rate, and bit rates of the MPEG2 and MP4 templates. Handbrake is probably still the preferred MP4 encoder for quality YouTube uploads but Vegas is perfectly capable of encoding pretty much anything you want, it isn't just limited to the stock templates.

Now, to address the original topic of this thread, "Vegas Alternatives", as far as I'm concerned, there are currently no satisfactory alternatives to Vegas. I have Premiere and Avid Media Composer, and I've tried really hard to wrap my head around Resolve, Catalyst and Edius, but none of them hold a candle to Vegas, particularly with regard to audio.
OldSmoke wrote on 5/3/2016, 5:23 PM
[I]..., there are currently no satisfactory alternatives to Vegas.[/I]

Absolutely true for the Windows platform but I must say FCPX on OSX does look pretty good and it has many of the Vegas features.

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ddm wrote on 5/3/2016, 5:24 PM
>>>as far as I'm concerned, there are currently no satisfactory alternatives to Vegas. I have Premiere and Avid Media Composer, and I've tried really hard to wrap my head around Resolve, Catalyst and Edius, but none of them hold a candle to Vegas, particularly with regard to audio

Ain't that the truth. I own all the usual suspects as well, still would MUCH rather use Vegas for editing.
John_Cline wrote on 5/4/2016, 4:59 PM
I was pretty firmly entrenched using Premiere until around version 2 of Vegas. Discovering Vegas was a revelation and I immediately recognized that it was a vastly better way to edit video. Since then I've kept my eye out for a new editing software package that would be the same quantum leap that Vegas was beyond Premiere. Lots of new editors have come along in the last fourteen years but none of them have even come close to making me want to make the switch.
PeterWright wrote on 5/5/2016, 4:14 AM
Well said John,

Like you, I was using Premiere with the at-the-time good value miro dc30+ "Capture Card", but when Vegas came along, which I remember you brought to to the attention of dc30 users, it was an amazing leap forward.

Previously to see the effect of anything you did, such as add a video effect or create a transition, you had to wait while Premiere performed "Make Movie" (Render)
Suddenly Vegas Video 3 was somehow able to use software to give us immediate preview without rendering.

This effortless fluidity of Vegas was also evident in many other features, including Takes, its FOUR level application of effects (Event/Track/Media/Project), and later in its unique Application Scripting, which has led to many products including Excalibur, Ultimatte Pro and Vegasaur, and countless individual scripts, many from members of this Forum, and of course its legendary audio capabilities.

I for one will never easily allow Vegas to "go quietly into that dark night".
It's contribution deserves far wider recognition, and if SCS are currently having problems with its economics, I wish they would communicate this to its many appreciators!




Mindmatter wrote on 5/5/2016, 4:51 AM
I've said it before, and i'll say it again...:

Edius 8

best thing after Vegas out there for me.

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Grazie wrote on 5/5/2016, 5:02 AM
MM, and how much for a good PC for EDIUS8?

G
VMP wrote on 5/5/2016, 5:40 AM
This masking function from Edius looks to be very handy, it would be a great addition for Vegas:


Dexcon wrote on 5/5/2016, 5:54 AM
@VMP

The masking function looks similar to the Mocha/Pixel Chooser in Boris BCC10 from what I've seen on Boris' BCC10 videos, but the Mocha/Pixel Chooser functionality is not as yet available with the current version of BCC10 for OFX (for Vegas + Resolve) but apparently soon will be.

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VMP wrote on 5/5/2016, 6:30 AM
Really Dexcon? That would be great!
Such a time saver when selective color correction must be done.

It would do a better job than animating the mask by hand, considering that it places a keyframe on each frame.

VMP
John Lewis wrote on 5/5/2016, 6:37 AM
I use a i7 3770k Pc for Edius with 32gb and gtx 980 which gives good results 16gb ram will do
Have a look at the Edius forum and look at users signatures. Like all NLE RT IS THE Holly grail
It all depends which plugins you use and how many filters
Laurence wrote on 5/5/2016, 7:06 AM
You can do is hat masking effect in Resolve with no external plugins, though you still have the same OFX access to BCC10 as Vegas.
set wrote on 5/5/2016, 8:01 AM
That's quite fast in Edius..., although we don't know the hardware spec for that demo anyway.
But, yes, it's also similar process in Resolve, although you are dealing up with those nodes.

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0404 wrote on 5/5/2016, 11:30 AM
Me too ... Many thanks for the links...
Reply by: Pawel Janaszkiewicz
Date: 4/25/2016 2:52:48 AM

Interesting comparison.
Always usefull.

See here
http://www.repaire.net/forums/discussions/vegas-et-ses-freres.227153/page-5#post-1970244392
OldSmoke wrote on 5/5/2016, 11:33 AM
For me its multicam editing that has got me hooked to Vegas, its just the best! This has a very good tutorials about mulitcam editing in various NLEs and to me Edius is just backwards. However, does it quite well too.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 5/5/2016, 12:32 PM
Edius is a very interesting alternative, and the new tracker and the new Primary Color corrector in Edius 8.2 makes Edius even more attractive. What I admit is that Grass Valley addresses here the actual Trends and requirements - and one important trend is that more and more cameras (even prosumer cameras) seems to be equiped with x-log. And the Performance of the new Color corrector, what offeres basically the same as in Catalyst Edit, the Performance is really great.

So it becomes possible to grade my v-log l footage from my GH4 inside of Edius, with a really great preview Performance even in 10bit! Try that with Vegas - typically you will Need a lut-plugin that may bring Performance down, and will not have These comfortable filter.

But to say it clear - funny enough that is a piece RGB technology that was implemented now in Edius what works in YUV in general. So I still miss Things like an RGB Parade in Edius or in the size adjustable waveform monitors to see that it comes near to Vegas or Resolve in those measurement tools. But beside such small Things it Edius but also Resolve are interesting Tools for the future.

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diverG wrote on 5/5/2016, 2:30 PM
+1 Edius 8v2

Grazie:
Both machines in my profile run Edius easily (only use 2K).
For a better idea of machines for Edius I suggest you take a peep at the GV forum
http://forum.grassvalley.com/forum/ 'Editing with Edius'.
Look a moderator profiles and http://www.dvc.uk.com/ for UK

In the meantime enjoy Vegas.

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K-Decisive wrote on 5/5/2016, 2:50 PM

sort of a double past but,

my process is to create cineform proxys in Resolve, edit in V12, then color and render in Resolve. All audio is mixed in Vegas. As long as I don't do anything stupid, I should be able to do that for years.

I've been working with Resolve for a couple years now and I love it. But for doing a raw cut it's still really slow, even with normal 1080 avc. There's just something that isn't really smooth with the way you grab clips, make changes . If only they would clue in and tie the zoom to the mouse wheel like Vegas. Audio is also nowhere near what Vegas is. So to me Vegas and Resolve compliment each other nicely.

The fact that you can keep your master edit and master audio mix in one session is priceless, no other NLE does that, and audio is 80-90% of the work.
Tech Diver wrote on 5/5/2016, 2:52 PM
Hmmm. Very interesting. I had not looked at Edius before, but as I dig a little deeper I think I like what I am seeing. The price is affordable as well. Tonight I will watch some tutorials and decide if I want to download a trial version.

Peter
vtxrocketeer wrote on 5/5/2016, 3:07 PM
I agree with the posts here and elsewhere that discredit the knee-jerk imperative of looking elsewhere for an NLE: Vegas works now and will continue to work so long as installation and registration aren't bungled up.

I think the combination of (1) Vegas for editing and audio with (2) Resolve for my grades and final renders is dandy. Use of XML's and proxies for round-tripping just make this a terrific set of tools in my box. Not long from now I'll be working with raw CDNG files from an external recorder, and then I really must rely on Resolve to handle those for grading.

If only they would clue in and tie the zoom to the mouse wheel like Vegas.

It's there already: on a PC, hold ALT and zoom with the wheel. Works a treat, just like Vegas. I have no idea what the corresponding procedure is on a Mac.
FixitMad0 wrote on 5/5/2016, 5:11 PM
I for one, will continue to use Vegas for a long time. If a codec does come out that Vegas cannot handle, I'll use another paid-for program to convert the file to something that Vegas can handle. An extra step for me but I will be able to keep the NLE that I enjoy using.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 5/5/2016, 6:10 PM
"my process is to create cineform proxys in Resolve, edit in V12, then color and render in Resolve"
I do not know what Kind of footage you edit - seems to be x-log or raw. I have a similar Situation, comming from ProRes of my Shogun with GH4 and shoot with v-log.

So either I use a LUT plugin (either Looks3 or Hiftilm) in Vegas to apply the LUT to convert v-log to rec.709 and edit in Vegas all the time. Since Vegas is not able to handle the ProRes files I have to convert to Cineform in TMPGenc before the Import in Vegas.

Another way could be to use Resolve - where I can Import my v-log ProRes without an issue. Do the grading in Resolve and export to Cineform and XML for Vegas.

Or Import the v-log ProRes in Edius and grade it in Edius with the new Primary Color corrector. But then I edit the footage in Edius.

"Not long from now I'll be working with raw CDNG files from an external recorder, and then I really must rely on Resolve to handle those for grading."
Well, if you come from a Blackmagic Camera or take the FS7/FS5 with Sony raw and convert that with a Shogun or Q7+ to CDNG, then you will have to use Resolve. What offers then a similiar way back into Vegas for the editing.

I am still not sure if it is better to use an extra grading application as Resolve or Catalyst Prepare and then go into another NLE like Vegas, or if it is better to do that all in one application. In a one-man Show the second workflow could be easier.

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vtxrocketeer wrote on 5/5/2016, 8:56 PM
@Wolfgang: "I am still not sure if it is better to use an extra grading application as Resolve or Catalyst Prepare and then go into another NLE like Vegas, or if it is better to do that all in one application. In a one-man Show the second workflow could be easier."

The fact that Vegas does not import CDNG sequences answers that question for you. In that regard, Resolve isn't "extra."

When my Shogun is updated to record CDNG, I'll import into Resolve, export an HD proxy (Cineform), cut that in Vegas, then export an XML back to Resolve for the grade on original CDNG sequences. I've done this with DNxHD source material and it's really slick.
set wrote on 5/5/2016, 11:19 PM
http://www.repaire.net/forums/discussions/vegas-et-ses-freres.227153/page-5#post-1970244392

This link that user 0404 shared on us has so many interesting video showing 5 workflow comparison between Vegas, Premiere, FCP, Edius, and also Resolve 12. Even though he focuses on Multicam editing feature, but it is also showing overall workflow on how you do general editing from start to finish, working with proxies, replacing media.

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