The same situation that had been going on for years has changed, at least somewhat, as we have discussed. So... as I said, let's wait and see how it pans out. Until then, FUD and speculation serve no purpose.

The same situation that had been going on for years has changed, at least somewhat, as we have discussed. So... as I said, let's wait and see how it pans out. Until then, FUD and speculation serve no purpose.

@fr0sty You're ebullience is contagious! Thanks, and I'll say: Fair enough, let's hope for the best. (what else can we do?)

VST32-bit bridge would actually be extremely useful for me. Other than that, not enough to entice me to upgrade from 18. I only ever use Vegas for editing nowadays. I’ve been using Resolve Studio 17 more and more.

There are color grading improvements that bring VEGAS much closer in line with Resolve's capabilities, if you're liking Resolve so much. White balance, color temp, HSL curves, more stuff on the way as well, this is not the final feature list, more features will be continually added through updates.

^Cool! I love 18. It’s very stable for me. It does what I need it to do. Vegas is still my go to choice for editing. But i really like and need Resolve’s Color Space Transform.

VST32-bit bridge would actually be extremely useful for me. Other than that, not enough to entice me to upgrade from 18. I only ever use Vegas for editing nowadays. I’ve been using Resolve Studio 17 more and more.

the 32 to 64 bit converter is a bit of a resource hog in my experience with similar (or probably same) per Magix other offerings. Eventually, most just gravitate towards the 64 bit version of whichever VST. You have some legacy VSTs?

VST3 will be great for me, it enables reason to be installed as a VST, turning VEGAS into a full audio production suite, instruments and all. That said, I cannot confirm this actually works, I plan on testing it as soon as I get a chance. At the very least, VEGAS, after decades, is getting some audio love... that's a great sign of things to come.

VST3

You might already know, but I just did find out that the advantage of VST3 is that it is less demanding on real time resources, since it shuts down whenever not needed, e.g. blank space on timeline vs the original VST format, which is always "on" -

VST32-bit bridge would actually be extremely useful for me. Other than that, not enough to entice me to upgrade from 18. I only ever use Vegas for editing nowadays. I’ve been using Resolve Studio 17 more and more.

the 32 to 64 bit converter is a bit of a resource hog in my experience with similar (or probably same) per Magix other offerings. Eventually, most just gravitate towards the 64 bit version of whichever VST. You have some legacy VSTs?

Yes. Legacy audio VST that are mostly for offline processing so i’m not worried about it being a resource hog.

I just don’t get it - why are you so happy about the VST3?
 

Why you are saying that Vegas will become a DAW?
 

It's just some kind of nonsense...

What exactly will became better with VST3? Nothing.

Vegas will became DAW? You wish in your dreams.

I can bet Vegas 20 would become another disappointing “update”.

I can't see ANY useful feature or tool since V18 527.

ANY.

Vegas 19 is a total disaster. And on top of that, it has the most awful UI I've ever seen.

I feel sorry for everyone who bought it.

 

Vegas will became DAW? You wish in your dreams.

 

I can bet Vegas 20 would become another disappointing “update”.

 

Yes to the " Vegas is not, nor ever will be, a full fledged DAW" idea. BUT......the whole point is that Vegas WAS an early DAW, so its roots are absolutely audio, and while people have struggled with audio in other platforms, (audio most often being an "ad on" or with minimal functionality and flexibility) that has NOT been the case with VEGAS, its audio is quite decent, if not cutting edge, so YES, aome of this enthusiam about audio is a bit "over the top" but not totally unfounded either.

If one is "along for the ride" with any software, there is/can be/should be a sort of mutual relationship between the customer base and the developer, where 'we trust you, you trust us,' and maybe each update cycle isn't a "smash hit" but you continue to support, because you'd do the same elsewhere as here. Is the customer base sometimes disappointed? (here and everywhere else) Well, sure. Are developers frustrated at times? I imagine so.... so again, you either have some basic trust or one should just leave, but not "feel bad" for those who've chosen to get on board. It's not a one release proposition. Is it?? I mean, correct me if I'm missing something.

 

Personally, for audio I would love to see integration of ACID project files into Vegas timeline to enable "agile" editing of music scores and sound effects.

Also, INTEGRATION in general would be very useful.... e.g. improved XML (source timecode!!!!) interchange and maybe (dreaming) even native reading/writing of Resolve .drt timeline files (don't know if these are open-source?)

Lastly, some kind of media/library manager (like KYNO) would be fantastic and is a missing link in the industry right now.

I would like native side-chaining, I requested that when the first audio-only version was published. Twenty or so years later, I am still waiting.

I just don’t get it - why are you so happy about the VST3?
 

Why you are saying that Vegas will become a DAW?
 

It's just some kind of nonsense...

 

What exactly will became better with VST3? Nothing.

 

Vegas will became DAW? You wish in your dreams.

 

I can bet Vegas 20 would become another disappointing “update”.

 

I can't see ANY useful feature or tool since V18 527.

 

ANY.

 

Vegas 19 is a total disaster. And on top of that, it has the most awful UI I've ever seen.

 

I feel sorry for everyone who bought it.

 

 

 

I feel sorry for anyone who is missing out on the new features of 19, for me it is the most stable version of VEGAS ever... but you can't please everyone. And yes, VEGAS is a fully featured DAW and always has been... I can record a very good sounding performance of a full band without ever leaving VEGAS (I do all the time with my live performance videos of various bands, including my own), and with the VST updates in 20, I can take that even farther. Sure, Cubase or Reaper might have some better functionality as a DAW, but they cannot edit video as well, and VEGAS records, mixes, and edits audio good enough that I rarely have to step outside of it. As far as NLEs go, it has the best audio tools out there, even with Fairlight making leaps and bounds of improvements over the years, it's still not quite there. Now that VEGAS is back to updating its audio engine, I don't see Fairlight catching up, but time will tell. I do hope they continue to try, to keep team VEGAS on their toes with new updates, competition breeds innovation.

Rraud, native side chaining isn't there yet, but with improved VST support, there's a ton of free side chain plugins out there that can now be added. VEGAS finally got some audio love, and I doubt this will be the end of it.

Lastly, some kind of media/library manager (like KYNO) would be fantastic and is a missing link in the industry right now.

VEGAS 20's project archive feature is a huge step in this direction, and it's online enabled, so you can archive your projects locally, and it will store your project files and media in an archive that you can easily access later to grab media or projects from, or to the cloud, then invite people to join your session and have access to your files.

Let me give an example. I have a bunch of clips of cats. I import them all into a project called "cats". I save the project. VEGAS auto-backs up the project to the archive. Later, I'm in another project, and I need a cat. So, I go into the archive, into the cats project, and there's all my media containing cats. I can easily drag and drop into my new project. Or, maybe I need a cat montage, but I don't have time to edit it... So, I hire an editor on fiver, invite them to my project session, they download my media and project, edit it, and sync the updated .veg with my project archive. I now have an edited video of cats in my project archive. Then I hire a colorist, they get my invite, sync to my project, and next thing I know, I have a fully colored project.

I wish they would add full support for Dolby Atmos almost every DAW /NLE will support it but not the full support like The Hardware Rendering and Mastering Unit (RMU) - Theatrical Film Releases or exporting MP4 you can't do that in Cubase or logic or Nuendo. u will need the https://www.avid.com/plugins/dolby-atmos-production-suite which is mac os only. at some point, they will have to add it because a lot of music mixing engineers are getting into atmos and there will be a demand for atmos music videos and the fact that you can mix / listen on headphone is a game changer

It's unlikely. Dolby is notorious for overcharging for their licensing.

And yes, VEGAS is a fully featured DAW and always has been... I can record a very good sounding performance of a full band without ever leaving VEGAS (I do all the time with my live performance videos of various bands, including my own), and with the VST updates in 20, I can take that even farther. Sure, Cubase or Reaper might have some better functionality as a DAW, but they cannot edit video as well, and VEGAS records, mixes, and edits audio good enough that I rarely have to step outside of it. As far as NLEs go, it has the best audio tools out there,t.

@fr0sty While certainly you can make the claim that VEGAS has the best audio, flexibility wise, feature wise, of any NLE, Sure. But with all due respect we really cannot call Vegas a full featured modern DAW. Missing a few "de rigueur" items, e.g., cannot cut/edit down to the sample level, no MIDI instrument functionality, or VSTi functionality, BUT it DOES have, (surpisingly, like Samplitued) object level effects, and I don't think you'd EVER find that in the NLE world.

But as you point out, we CAN use it in a pinch for basic tracking and some basic editing. You have busses, automation, Mixing and surround mixing (or it did in the past, update me on that please, that WAS a game changer in the early days, plus surround encoding, AC3 I believe, oh, I see now, surround encoding can be done with Voukoder and HOS. ) Past that, does it really matter anyway? The round trip export/import file to Audio editor is SMOOTH as butter. What else is needed?

That said, I'd certainly welcome MIDI functionality (has a bit now, just for external controlers that employ midi) but not a deal breaker either way.

I would like native side-chaining, I requested that when the first audio-only version was published. Twenty or so years later, I am still waiting.

Me, too!
I tried copying the ACID sidechain into VEGAS of no avail. Doing this because I copied several FXs successful into VEGAS like Vandal-SE etc.

VST3 will be great for me, it enables reason to be installed as a VST, turning VEGAS into a full audio production suite, instruments and all. That said, I cannot confirm this actually works, I plan on testing it as soon as I get a chance. At the very least, VEGAS, after decades, is getting some audio love... that's a great sign of things to come.

I think VST3 is quite another thing than VSTi (instruments for MIDI file), though some VST3 is kinda VSTi but VEGAS only supports VST3 in AudioFX, if I didn't read the advertisement wrongly.
AndNo, VEGAS never has been and will never be a DAW.

AndNo, VEGAS never has been and will never be a DAW.

Um... VEGAS began its life as a DAW exclusively. It didn't gain the ability to edit video until version 2 IIRC.

The 2 fundamental controls of a DAW: Music notes and BPMs (Beat Per Min/Measure > Rhythm).

Which one does VEGAS have?

😁😁 you can declare it, but it is not. It was an audio mixing Konsole, like Audacity I guess.

The smallish Vegas dev team are mostly contented middle aged guys who've had a steady, probably well paying gig, but aren't, at all, (reading their quotes) interested in anything but just kicking the sluggishly performing can down the road, adding a few bells and whistles to keep - let's suppose - customers "happy." I think "placated" is really the better word. Well, I for one am not thrilled with the status quo, and so to Magix I say: if this IS your baby, FIX IT!!

Quite a statement and a particularly disheartening one for our team to see considering we rarely take any significant time off and regularly work long hours every day and also many weekends. A team of 5 (actually now 6) developers that is doing the job of what 40+ people were doing previously is not the sign engineers being content. This is a team that could have moved on for much better paying and less stressful positions long ago (and some of the members of this team have moved on). The folks who are here work their butts off to maintain this product and considering the size of this team, I feel we have made some remarkable strides forward. Those of you frustrated with the progress made in some areas...we feel your pain and we very much want to resolve those pain points. Calling out the development team, however, is only demotivating.

The 2 fundamental controls of a DAW: Music notes and BPMs (Beat Per Min/Measure > Rhythm).

Which one does VEGAS have?

😁😁 you can declare it, but it is not. It was an audio mixing Konsole, like Audacity I guess.

That term, DAW has no real precise definition. If you call Protools, then (late 1990s) and now, or Logic, then and now, a DAW, you'd certainly call VEGAS, especially THEN, a DAW. THEN, Logic and Cubase had no audio, Protools Midi was very very limited. Of course THEN, the term was never used, Somebody's marketing term coined later. Logic was a midi "sequencer" with scoring, (previously known as Notator, or Notator Logic), same with Cubase. (that's why they suck at audio, IMHO. I used Logic for years, since Notator days). Samplitude, Magix's pro DAW, like Protools, had basic midi if any. SO Vegas was a full functioning (for that time) multitrack digital recorder/editor, putting it on par with all the programs we'd now call DAWs.