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fr0sty wrote on 7/25/2022, 12:53 PM

Quite a statement and a particularly disheartening one for our team to see considering we rarely take any significant time off and regularly work long hours every day and also many weekends. A team of 5 (actually now 6) developers that is doing the job of what 40+ people were doing previously is not the sign engineers being content. This is a team that could have moved on for much better paying and less stressful positions long ago (and some of the members of this team have moved on). The folks who are here work their butts off to maintain this product and considering the size of this team, I feel we have made some remarkable strides forward. Those of you frustrated with the progress made in some areas...we feel your pain and we very much want to resolve those pain points. Calling out the development team, however, is only demotivating.

6 people. Few enough people to fit into a van, since version 14, brought us (to name a few):

HEVC Support for 4K+

ProRes Support (import and export, with RAW well on its way to completion)

Red Camera Support

Black Magic Raw Support

GPU rendering support

GPU decoding support

Storyboarding

Color Grading with extensive updates since its inception

AI colorization

AI arbitrary style transfer

AI upscaling

Optical flow resample, slomo

Picture in picture

mesh warp

HDR support (easiest to use implementation out there, and the first to natively support HDR encoding)

360 degree video support

8k support

VST3 and a new VST bridge

expanded velocity controls

driver update utility

updated docking controls

ACES support

LUT support, both import and LUT creation/export

Selectively pasting attributes

Motion tracking

Video stabilization

Bazier masking

Bezier keyframes

AI Test to speech

AI speech to text

AI Scene Detection

HLG support

Nested Timelines

smart split

Noise Reduction

Project notes

Timecode tagging

VEGAS Content Library

VEGAS Hub Cell Phone Video Transfer App

VEGAS Hub cloud storage

VEGAS Hub file drop/project sharing collaborative editing system

VEGAS Project Archival system

In addition to the third party partnerships that have greatly expanded VEGAS' abilities:

VEGAS Effects

VEGAS Image

VEGAS Stream

 

And that is only some of the new features they've added since, I left a lot of things out. 5-6 people did that, in addition to maintaining VEGAS well enough for me to run my business on reliably since Magix bought them (I haven't had to use a single other NLE since), and a list of bugfixes that would be many times the size of the above (incomplete) new feature list.

While I'm sure Derek and his team would have loved to not throw a single new feature into VEGAS 14 before completely rewriting the engine from the ground up for improved performance and stability, the truth of the matter is, people do not upgrade just for "improved performance", when the other NLEs have features that have become common since VEGAS was left to die by Sony, and VEGAS' users are very loudly demanding those features be added, or they will jump ship. Now that they have, for the most part, caught VEGAS up on the most important features that it was lacking vs. its competition, I'm sure the team will have a little bit more time to invest in working under the hood, as the cries from its users demanding new features have quieted down a bit.

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AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

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pierre-k wrote on 7/25/2022, 1:00 PM

Dear Derek.

His statement may have been discouraging, but it is food for thought. Why did Magix buy vegas to have only 6 developers? Shouldn't the resurrection be far more epic? With the help of the Magix people. I just installed their Video X and it is just as unsympathetic software as Premiere and others. To be honest, being a Magix owner, I'll quit Video X, I'm implementing great things from it into Vegas. And I'm moving all the developers to Vegas. I will make her a strong competitor.

What kind of team works on Soundforge and ACID? You? Or teams from Magix?

dape wrote on 7/25/2022, 1:10 PM

The smallish Vegas dev team [..] and so to Magix I say: if this IS your baby, FIX IT!!

Quite a statement and a particularly disheartening one for our team to see considering we rarely take any significant time off and regularly work long hours every day and also many weekends. A team of 5 (actually now 6) developers that is doing the job of what 40+ people were doing previously is not the sign engineers being content.

I suppose there is a good reason the executive people there don't hire more developers ? Can't be money because Vegas costs enough. Maybe it's about intellectual property or trade secrets.. ?

As for me: since VP16 this product has been a very unreliable editor, i do very simple stuff but cannot do much when it crashes so often. I was barely convinced to upgrade to VP19 (since VP17 and VP18 were both so crashy-mc-goo) but i got it on a "sale" of like 80€ (which is a lot for me and maybe any other amateur video editor).

Will I buy VP20 ? I.. don't.. think so..

If VP19 wouldn't crash a single time: yes! I would totally get VP20 !

Reyfox wrote on 7/25/2022, 1:36 PM

It seems that we all have different needs and requirements. "One size" does not fit all.

For me personally, I've found for the most part, Vegas (14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19) to be fairly stable. Yes, there are crashes. Show me one piece of complex software like Vegas for the price that doesn't. Go to any forum of the other editors and you will read about problems that people are having. I seem to have a "love affair" as far as editing goes with Vegas. Yes, it does need updates to fix issues, like for me, the high RAM usage on simple projects. But I am hopeful that these things will be addressed.

For me, I have to like the software, and I like Vegas Pro. I have VPX on my computer... if you want something that crashes and is problematic, then that is the software. At least on my computer.

Why don't they hire more programmers? Good question. Maybe financial resources?

Anyways... looking forward to see what is really new in VP20.

Kudos for the small team that does so much!

fr0sty wrote on 7/25/2022, 2:32 PM

I think as time goes, VEGAS and Magix will find their stride and the relationship will flourish. There has been encouraging news going on as far as changes in personnel behind the scenes, so let's see what happens. In the mean time, we've got a great new version of VEGAS about to drop, so let's move this back towards VEGAS 20, the original topic of this post, as I feel this has veered a bit too far into a "what is the future of vegas?" discussion... one worth having, perhaps in its own thread... I know a lot of people don't understand why some things happen the way they do, and it's easy to assume the worst, but for the sake of keeping this thread on topic, back to VEGAS 20, please.

 

If VP19 wouldn't crash a single time: yes! I would totally get VP20 !

Keep your expectations realistic, there isn't a NLE on the market that won't crash once. If you need proof, take a stroll through their forums.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Reyfox wrote on 7/25/2022, 3:20 PM

Funny, if Vegas doesn't crash he'll buy VP20. I read this just after Resolve 18 Studio gave me the white screen of death while cancelling an upscaled video....

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 22.5.1, testing 24.7.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

fr0sty wrote on 7/26/2022, 12:27 AM

Let me remind people, I've hidden a couple posts due to the conversation being steered back off topic.. this is about VEGAS 20, not "everyone quiz the dev team about the future of VEGAS". If you want to discuss such things, make a thread for it, and keep that discussion there.

supergafudo wrote on 7/26/2022, 2:26 AM

Audio and MIDI is the way Vegas could survive. Just add the capability to connect a midi keyboard and play and record notes via a VST synth and Vegas will have a really amazing feature that no other NLE have. I have request this since several years ago, you really do not understand how useful could this be and also gives a chance for VEGAS to have a feature that no other NLE have.

I really do not understand why this has not been developed years ago when you got a midi and VST capabilities in the software for years. Time pass and you are loosing a really nice opportunity to have something that no other NLE have, composing your own music at the same time you edit so you can make changes in the video and in the music at the same time, adding sound effects via midi and VST etc.. etc...

Yelandkeil wrote on 7/26/2022, 4:56 AM

@supergafudo, or just integrate the MIDI part from ACID Pro, the very simple MIDI things, then, all the other filmscore or what you call can be forgotten forever!

I dreamed this since day one, too.
Both of VEGAS and ACID were programmed from the same hand, shouldn't be that difficult or tiresome.

Seb-o wrote on 7/26/2022, 12:30 PM

 

Quite a statement and a particularly disheartening one for our team

@VEGASDerek I've stated many times on these boards, and even in this thread, my respect for the dedication and performance of the dev teamm especially given the task and limitation placed on them, and as the moderators don't want my full philosophical dissertation about any of that, I'll leave it there. Cheers Derek!! Looking forward to 20, I've prepaid as of last week, so my money is where my..... you know.

RJMonroe wrote on 7/6/2023, 6:31 PM

I'm trying to use Smart Split in Vegas Pro 20. However, in the edit drop down the smart split option is greyed out. Am I missing something?