I don't know how useful this will be to y'all, but Borix FX has a student license for the entire suite. If you are a student, you can get a one-year license for Mocha, Sapphire, Continuum, etc for free. There is a $5 application fee but there student license has been a god send for me. Mocha Pro comes with way more features than Mocha Vegas anyway. You get the ML Roto tool, face tracking and mesh tracking. All in all, very worth it.

hey all, just returned to vegas for the first time since... I dont remember which Sony version.

for a few years I begrudgingly eked out a few projects using the other current NLE options that aren't subscriptions (which means i used Resolve lol). Resolve is a fine program for methodical kind of things, but it's workflow and operation are much too slow and "stuffy old analog film editing mentality" for me, for my editing style and the quick turnaround times I need... it just has so many extra steps compared to vegas.

I tried the vegas suite 23 for a day or two, and, while it had crashes and freezing up bugs, it's still vegas and lightning fast to use. I wasn't going to get it due to the stability issues, but then I turned off the GPU acceleration and it became reliable enough to use (a youtube video i saw suggested it). Even with it's imperfections, I went ahead and got the suite... i'm a longtime sound forge user too, so in combo with the included plugins and everything else the suite is a good deal for me to get my old workflow going on current computer.

However, and this is my fault for not being more careful, I had thought the Mocha came with suite 23. it was listed when i was shopping just before, and I guess I just assumed it was still part of the suite when the deal offer email came in and I bought the suite.

is it possible for me to install the version 22 and the mocha? or was it a thing where suite had to be bought last product cycle, and now it's too late? I do not mind jumping into a previous version to use it.

So if not, what are the solutions? Does Vegas nowadays have any comparable motion tracking built in? Or will I have to farm out to my old copy of After Effects for basic stuff?

Just so we're clear, I'm not upset, I'm more interested in solutions and getting a workflow going.

Mocha is finished at V22 so unless you can find V22 still on sale - be quick - mocha will be unavailable. You say V23 has crashes and freezing, under what circumstances - what is your PC spec and GPU?

I think the website is a little bit ... (don't know the right word 🤷‍♂️)

Under features there's this .

It def say Mocha Pro not Mocha Vegas, the title has 'Import' in big letters & the description say's 'Import shape & tracking data'. but listing this within Features along side other native Vegas features could catch people out if they don't read it fully or properly.

PS. I bet there's a lot of people don't know Mocha Pro isn't Mocha Vegas 🤔

@yoo-changyun wrote:

We’ll just have to see how things develop in the future. If the built-in functions continue to improve, that would truly be the best outcome. In the end, I think both you and I want the same conclusion: Vegas Pro forever.

100% agree!

@yoo-changyun wrote:

We’ll just have to see how things develop in the future. If the built-in functions continue to improve, that would truly be the best outcome. In the end, I think both you and I want the same conclusion: Vegas Pro forever.

100% agree!

I think we would agree with that. Hopefully we can add the resources to be able to do that in the future.

Knowing how the team functions over at BorisFX, i honestly can say this is not the end of a Mocha collaboration with Vegas Pro.

I hope so.

Don't get your hopes up too much....  Just got that reply from Boris' support: 
"Right now, we don't have any plans to release a Mocha Vegas standalone product."

Yeah, I got the same reply too.... oh well. But also, they do hope to work with VEGAS again. Who knows, maybe down the line, it will be brought back.

Frankly, I gravitated more often to Mocha integrated into BCC than the Vegas version for most of my work. I know it doesn't solve everything Mocha Pro does but Mocha Vegas didn't by a longshot and the new AI tools integrated into the latest version blow the Vegas version away. The BCC version was always more current. If you can swing it, get BCC for Vegas. It's a powerful tool.

I have Continuum Complete 2025.5. Mocha is a part of the lot of the plugins. But there are those times, when you need something like Mocha VEGAS.

Like you, I'll shift to the Continuum plugins and become more creative.

But for someone to invest in Continuum, it isn't cheap. Subscription is (paid yearly) $325, while perpetual is an eye watering $1095.

For those with Continuum don't forget there's BCC Corner Pin Studio.

I asked BorisFX, and they said it is Magix/Vegas Team that decided to cancel Mocha Vegas.

Oh

Earlier in the thread it said they couldn't reach a deal so it may have been about money and Boris wanting more than Magix could pay.

With the restructuring, it is not surprising. Hopefully, Boris and Vegas can work together again in the near future. Mocha VEGAS was a great value addon.