thank you!

yes i know these. The proxy is (and has alway been) kinda weird and almost useless for me in it's current implementation, imo.

It creates small files BUT doesn't allow to playback them back as they are. as they only way to view them are even more degraded quality. basically you can view original files full res files in high res OR proxy encoded files played back in even more degraded quality (not as they are in full quality as proxies)

I'd really like to hear some more / deeper insights about gear / settings. If someone can share info!

thank you!

yes i know these. The proxy is (and has alway been) kinda weird and almost useless for me in it's current implementation, imo.

It creates small files BUT doesn't allow to playback them back as they are. as they only way to view them are even more degraded quality. basically you can view original files full res files in high res OR proxy encoded files played back in even more degraded quality (not as they are in full quality as proxies)

I'd really like to hear some more / deeper insights about gear / settings. If someone can share info!

Are you running the latest build of VP15? Proxies run at the full resolution if you switch the preview to Preview/Full , Good and Best will use the original file. You can also try Vegasaur which has a proxy function that gives you more control over the proxy files.

A better GPU will help a little but eventually the CPU will be your bottle neck especially for 4K editing.

yes i'm running the latest version!

But the problem with the proxy has been forever. It is not the question of proxy rendering / encoding quality, it's that vegas further playbacks proxyvideos as even lower quality than they are. If you paly back the plain proxy in for ex vlc player it's much more hi res than preview / darft viewing in vegas. This stupid imo.

the dilemma is discussed for example here in more detail:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/proxy-playback-please-fix--104635/#ca646648

Right now i get proxy playback even in draft so that full frame rate drops all the time and pumps up and down...

You should try Vegasaur’s proxy feature or the replace media feature.

Do you accept that Vegas is no videoplayer but an EDIT TOOL?
To me it looks like you want an only player.

edit FOR SURE, and mostly. but to be able to do good edits and have an inpiring working workflow i need to have the video played back without pumping and stuttering. The most important thing for me in editing and it's workflow and rhythm are that the playback is realtime and smooth, stutters and slowing downs kill all creativity and editing evaluation.

I just installed a trial of Premiere CC and playing back the same files is easy, flawless and no drops, no slow downs whatever. There is something seriously wrong with Vegas and has been in this regard for years. I've been Vegas user from version 1 from the turn of millenium and now i'm really on the edge to let go. Just so fed up tryin to solve trivial problrems that just keep hanging. New paying versions pop up all the timebut fundamental problems like this do not get solved. Really sorry to say this as i'm really used to the it's interface commads etc and can work fast with it but just can't stand the problems any more....

Am i really the only one stuck with this kind of problems?

@oskari-m are you working in 8bit or 32bit in Vegas?

And yes i'm aware of the Vegasaur and it's great functions. Still, i have stutters even with proxy playback from time to time. ALSO i feel bit uneasy with the idea to buy another 3rd party program to solve trivial things in year 2018 that competitors products handle with ease out of the box.

If wouldnt be sooooo famialiar and used to how Vegas works in terms of windows, functions, short cuts, superior audio features etc i would have made the jump a long time ago. It's just that the bread and butter video editing is lagging and stuttering so easily. just can't stand it :(

i work 8 bit

If you aree having problems with 8bit projects then I suspect it’s either your source file format/codec or your system setup.

I can edit 4K XAVC-I 29.97p 8bit without problems on my system and I have no issues doing 1080 60p multicam projects.

I have to say that i think i have tried all the "tricks" and switches. sometimes the playback is bit better, sometimes worse but seems to always be really prone drop the playback frame rate and stutter, and it's not just my current setup.

and, honestly i've been using vegas for 15+ years, i'm pretty confident i have learnt if not all, most of it's switches and options and dribbled a lot with them!

Also, prerending and temp rendering files /timeline is not really a viable solution for a smooth editing workflow.

I just wonder why i donät not encounter these problems with Premiere CC...?

Recently been using Mov / mp4 files from Fuji x-t2 and Panasonic GH4 and GH5 cameras

Keep in mind that all version prior to Vegas 15 have a lot more in common and are almost identical including the core. Vegas 15 and 16 are rather different especially when it comes to GPU acceleration. Have you tried all the things suggested in the troubleshooting threat?

And yes i'm aware of the Vegasaur and it's great functions. Still, i have stutters even with proxy playback from time to time. ALSO i feel bit uneasy with the idea to buy another 3rd party program to solve trivial things in year 2018 that competitors products handle with ease out of the box.

The last major update to the rendering engine was in 2012, one of the V11 builds & I don't think the magix people have the expertise to modify it. Their adventures into adding new GPU support has been disastrous. I think that's the basic problem. it's still Vegas11/12 under the hood,with stuff bolted on, so time has left Vegas being inefficient and slow. It's really only Hitfilm I find that is as inefficient & also needs much faster CPU.

My reasonably slow intel 6700 works flawlessly with 4k60p files on Davinci Resolve but such files are not useable on Vegas15. Vegas needs a fast CPU, that is what you need to upgrade I think. I don't have the GPU problems many people have & gtx1070 used for processing doesn't make up for my 'slow' (3.4ghz) cpu . As for how fast, I know of someone here that has an older i7 running at 4.2ghz & can handle 4k files much better.

In case you haven't seen it, pretty much all the suggestions for smoother playback are gathered in this one post: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-make-my-video-preview-play-smoothly-in-vegas-pro--104624/

My preferred method of creating and swapping proxies would now be the ProxyAssist (& ProxySwitch) feature in Happy Otter Scripts, which was recently released to beta testing.

hi bob-h, I think you are correct with your thoughts, and addressing rights "culprits".

The engine and responsivity of the program is just like it what used to be years and years back. the user experience feels outdated and fragile. Today's video files are getting heavier and heavier. To me it feels like they add switches, topping, bells and whistles but don't really change the basic heart of the engine. Imo, they really should rewrite the whole thing.

Back in the days when it was Sonic Foundry and first version on running windows NT4, Vegas felt modern, lightning fast and revolutionary. Now it just feels like a legacy program with old bolted things that should be modernized but that is not happening.

troubleshooting and tricks i have tried, they help marginally, and feel more like band-aid than true solutions to problems. I might still use Vegas for audio editing / sound design, which is still it's good points. With more modern video editors i might get the video job done without big investments on faster and faster cpu.

@oskari-m Do you want to make available a small sample 4k project that gives poor playback for you, then others with similar cpu etc could give feedback on playback rate. Or instead do the (FHD) existing “Red Car” and “Magix sample” projects playback at full speed on your system, if not they can be used to give feedback to you instead.

Yes @oskari-m I agree there's unresolved issues with playback acceleration in VP, and my gut feeling is it's an old core that hasn't been rejuvenated for some time. As some codecs have become more CPU intensive and resolution has increased in recent years, it puts an additional strain on the system.

I think I have a 'fast enough' system that should cater for smooth playback, but it ain't. Question: Why.

But I can give you the tip: a faster graphics card or more RAM or a faster drive is probably not gonna save your (and my) issues..

@OldSmoke , I believe XAVC-Intra is a very editing friendly codec..likely that you have better results than me trying XAVC-S/50 or 4K..[geez I wished Sony would finally put proper XAVC into their 7 series cameras../endrant]

Did you try the "prerender option" or "render to new track option

or the "increase Dynamic RAM" option?

Did this not help you?

 

In stead of complaining first learn to know the program!

These sort of snappy coments are of no help to anyone. I can fully sympathize wit the OP. I regularly struggle with choppy and lagging preview, sometimes due to a silly supposedly harmess FX, sometimes a simple text animation will bring it to its knees, sometimes it would be getting worse or better for absolutely no apparent ar rational reason within one project. As brilliant as Vegas is in many regards, the prehistoric preview engine is almost a showstopper for me. My rather shocking aha moment was when I downloaded the Edius 8 trial. You can throw almost anything at it, add animated text, FX etc and the preview is still super steady. There is definitely something pretty wrong with Vegas as far as preview is concerned, and it really can be extremely frustrating to work with because of that.