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fr0sty wrote on 8/11/2019, 9:23 AM

I've noticed in projects with lots of thumbs, that Vegas can slow down a bit and undoing takes a long time. Try to go to preferences>video and adjust the timeline thumbnail display to one of the other options (or off completely) to see if that helps any.

altarvic wrote on 8/11/2019, 3:15 PM

When you use the new Color Grading window, it populates the undo list with a huge amount of actions and they can slow down undo. This may be the cause... Check the undo list.

Marco. wrote on 8/11/2019, 4:03 PM

That Color Grade Panel undo issue reproed and reported as bug.

paul-marshall wrote on 8/11/2019, 5:48 PM

Undoing color grading is clearly an issue, it seems to record every micro control increment. I am refering to moving clips on the timeline. Certainly turning off thumbnails does cure the slowness but not a useable workaround. Its never been an issue until 17. I wonder if it is related to the storyboard. I am not using it and have 'Manual synchronise timeline storyboard'. Is there a way to turn off story boarding?

 

fr0sty wrote on 8/11/2019, 7:00 PM

It's a bug with loading thumbnails. Anything you do that requires Vegas to redraw thumbs in projects where there are a lot of cuts or clips, and therefore a lot of thumbs, will make Vegas lag, and it can take forever to get into the project when you open it as well (I had a complex 4 cam 2.5 hour long project that took vegas close to an hour to load up). The devs are well aware of this bug, I've been in contact with them about it. they're working on it. Reducing or turning off thumbs is a workaround for now.

Nick Hope wrote on 9/7/2019, 1:46 AM

On my machine there's a difference in behaviour between VP17 and previous versions after an UNDO: In previous versions, events appear "in outline" on the timeline and their thumbnails are rendered afterwards, and editing can be done while those thumbnails are being rendered. In VP17, there is a delay and then events appear with their thumbnails mostly already rendered.

lan-mLMC wrote on 9/7/2019, 10:03 PM

When you use the new Color Grading window, it populates the undo list with a huge amount of actions and they can slow down undo. This may be the cause... Check the undo list.

Your vegasaur is great. There is a function request from me. I hope you can develop a function to apply audio's wave form to any other FX's parameter. That's great!

Nick Hope wrote on 9/24/2019, 1:21 AM

On my machine there's a difference in behaviour between VP17 and previous versions after an UNDO: In previous versions, events appear "in outline" on the timeline and their thumbnails are rendered afterwards, and editing can be done while those thumbnails are being rendered. In VP17, there is a delay and then events appear with their thumbnails mostly already rendered.

For me, in VEGAS Pro 17 Update 1 (build 321) the old thumbnail behaviour after an UNDO has returned, so I no longer get the long delay.

Also the release notes state this:

"Unreasonably long load times for large projects with many events have been eliminated"

And there is a report here that opening projects is now "super fast".

So it seems to me that the fundamental cause of the slow UNDO and slow project loading may have been solved. Would others agree with this?

set wrote on 9/24/2019, 2:37 AM

 

So it seems to me that the fundamental cause of the slow UNDO and slow project loading may have been solved. Would others agree with this?

agree for me too

paul-marshall wrote on 9/24/2019, 6:11 AM

I wouldnt say loading is super fast but it is certainly back to where it was, and the slow undo is fixed. BUT I still get random crashes/freezes on fundamental operations like splitting a clip, which was always perfectly stable.

fr0sty wrote on 9/24/2019, 8:31 AM

I can confirm, I discovered this bug early, sent it to the team along with a massive 500+GB project I was working on so they could recreate the problem on their end, and they were able to get it all fixed.

Paul, can you post your system specs, and then download a free app called mediainfo, then post the report it gives you for the clips you are using in your timeline (we only need one report per type of clip, so for instance, if you have clips from 2 different types of cameras or 2 of the same cameras set to different record modes, please send us one report per media type.

This will help us determine first if your system specs meet the requirements for 17, as they've been bumped up a good bit since the last release, and also it lets us know how Vegas is decoding your media, and we might be able to make it take an alternative route to doing that which could increase your stability.

Also, please include your project settings.

paul-marshall wrote on 9/24/2019, 9:28 AM

Thanks for your interest. I am using two cameras which I edited in multi-camera mode, switching between the two was stable. I am now tweaking the result adding cross fades where there was a cut. Maybe 1 in 6 causes a crash. Both cameras XAVCS HD 60mbs. MediaInfo and file properties one clip from each below.

Project  1920x1080 50fps progressive 8-bit,  48k 16 bit stereo

Operating System
  Platform: Windows 10.0 (64-bit)
  Version: 10.00.17134
  Language: English
  System locale: English
  User locale: English

Processor
  Class: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz
  Identifier: GenuineIntel
  Number of processors: 8
  MMX available: Yes
  SSE available: Yes
  SSE2 available: Yes
  SSE3 available: Yes
  SSSE3 available: Yes
  SSE4.1 available: Yes
  SSE4.2 available: Yes

Display
  Primary: 1920x1080x32 (x 3 monitors)
  NVIDIA GeForce GTX-1060  6GB

Memory
  Physical memory: 16,326.9 MB
  Paging memory available: 48,327.1 MB


CAMERA 1
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

General
Complete name                            : E:\_Sony RX10\HHG 2019\Rx10-1_C0213.MP4
Format                                   : XAVC
Codec ID                                 : XAVC (XAVC/mp42/iso2)
File size                                : 2.87 GiB
Duration                                 : 7 min 55 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 51.9 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 11:47:42
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 11:47:42

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=12
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 7 min 55 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 50.0 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 60.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.482
Stream size                              : 2.77 GiB (96%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 11:47:42
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 11:47:42
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : xvYCC
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : twos
Duration                                 : 7 min 55 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 87.0 MiB (3%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 11:47:42
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 11:47:42

Other
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 7 min 55 s


General
  Name: RX10-2_C0213.MP4
  Folder: E:\_Sony RX10\HHG 2019
  Type: XAVC-S
  Size: 3.01 GB (3,085,146,451 bytes)
  Created: Monday, September 23, 2019, 3:59:44 PM
  Modified: Saturday, September 21, 2019, 12:55:39 PM
  Accessed: Monday, September 23, 2019, 3:59:44 PM
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00:07:55.200, 50.000 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, XAVC-S
  Audio: 00:07:55.200, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, PCM

Summary
  [TCFM]: 30064771081

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: S:\Program Files\Vegas\Vegas Pro 17\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

============================================================================

CAMERA 2
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
General
Complete name                            : E:\_AX700\2019\HHG 2019\Ax700-1_C0225.MP4
Format                                   : XAVC
Codec ID                                 : XAVC (XAVC/mp42/iso2)
File size                                : 936 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 30 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 52.1 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 min 30 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 50.0 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 60.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.482
Stream size                              : 898 MiB (96%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : xvYCC
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : twos
Duration                                 : 2 min 30 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 27.6 MiB (3%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01

Other #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 2 min 30 s
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 00:55:08:40
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Encoded date                             : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01
Tagged date                              : UTC 2019-09-21 10:47:01

Other #2
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 2 min 30 s

General
  Name: Ax700-1_C0225.MP4
  Folder: E:\_AX700\2019\HHG 2019
  Type: XAVC-S
  Size: 958.54 MB (981,546,172 bytes)
  Created: Saturday, September 21, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
  Modified: Saturday, September 21, 2019, 11:49:33 AM
  Accessed: Saturday, September 21, 2019, 10:45:39 PM
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 00:02:30.720, 50.000 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, XAVC-S
  Audio: 00:02:30.720, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, PCM

Summary
  [TCFM]: 30064771081

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: S:\Program Files\Vegas\Vegas Pro 17\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.