Weird behavior loading Vegas project file-ideas?[AVI fix!]

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 2:14 AM

My project loads to 70% and then hangs for five minutes, then finally loads. Thinking the files maybe had been moved, (a possibility, as I've been doing some Hard disk housekeeping) and Vegas just needed to find them, I resaved the project. Shut down, reload, same thing, hangs for five minutes. Re save the project, now with a new name, shut down, reload, same thing. Oh, and I just had installed earlier the new patch, build 361,....which seemed to have been ok, another project opens and plays great.

Problem Event Name:   AppHangB1
Application Name:   vegas150.exe
Application Version:   15.0.0.361
Application Timestamp:   5afdb1b1
Hang Signature:   a4b8
Hang Type:   0
OS Version:   6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.48
Locale ID:   1033
Additional Hang Signature 1:   a4b8dfabe306fb676495b3f25f49226b
Additional Hang Signature 2:   785a
Additional Hang Signature 3:   785a21ecefb365c6ed2635193c68de5a
Additional Hang Signature 4:   a4b8
Additional Hang Signature 5:   a4b8dfabe306fb676495b3f25f49226b
Additional Hang Signature 6:   785a
Additional Hang Signature 7:   785a21ecefb365c6ed2635193c68de5a

Additional Hang Signature 3:   785a21ecefb365c6ed2635193c68de5a
Additional Hang Signature 4:   a4b8
Additional Hang Signature 5:   a4b8dfabe306fb676495b3f25f49226b
Additional Hang Signature 6:   785a
Additional Hang Signature 7:   785a21ecefb365c6ed2635193c68de5a

Comments

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 2:40 AM

OK, I figured it out, as per usual (and I am an old hand at Vegas, otherwise, you are screwed with this sort of thing. AVI files are just anathema to Vegas (and why, I don't know, get your shit together guys, AVI is like MOV to Apple....what the you know what are you thinking.??? this is like a 'forever' thorn in just about everyone'e side sooner or later...

People need to have THIS file installed:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gn6btrynt60ik71/aviplug.dll?dl=0

Copy to this Location: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 15.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\Aviplug

and the other Aviplug.dll disengaged ( I just rename the old file, like: xaviplug.dll but with each new update patch, it reinstalls the default aviplug and thus screws up everything again - the replacement file remains, but is overridden/overlooked with the once again reinstalled default aviplug.dll)

I appreciate, guys, believe me, you're fixing all the new formats, codecs, etc. but AVI is still not fixed and it is pretty easy actually....the above link is the replacement file I believe everyone should be running instead of the "normal" .dll plug (maybe I should be a developer,me with ZERO progamming chops, sheesh)

NickHope wrote on 5/28/2018, 3:03 AM

What format is in your AVI files?

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 4:05 AM

Nick, in this case it is a Quicktime format. I am not sure that is always the case when I have an AVI file, avi is a wrapper, correct, that could contain various file formats, correct?

NickHope wrote on 5/28/2018, 4:26 AM

Yes, AVI is a wrapper that can contain various stream formats.

I've never heard of an AVI file being decoded by qt7plug.dll before. How were the files created (what camera or app)?

This makes me think that maybe the original VP15 Aviplug attempted but failed to decode your files, whereas your non-standard Aviplug didn't even make an attempt, allowing the files to get decoded by qt7pllug.dll.

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 4:31 AM

More complete profile of that avi file:

General
Complete name : \\BADBOY2\Media Files\ViedoVegasCapture5 - Clip 003.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Commercial name : DV
Format profile : OpenDML
File size : 11.4 GiB
Duration : 54 min 44 s
Overall bit rate : 29.9 Mb/s
TAPE : ViedoVegasCapture5
TCOD : 4414410000
TCDO : 37255551667
VMAJ : 4
VMIN : 0
STAT : 98425 0 3.429538 1
DTIM : 29454261 1417151744

Video
ID : 0
Format : DV
Codec ID : dvsd
Codec ID/Hint : Sony
Duration : 54 min 44 s
Source duration : 40 min 19 s
Bit rate : 21.2 Mb/s
Width : 720 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 3:2
Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard : NTSC
Color space : YUV
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.046
Stream size : 8.10 GiB (71%)

Audio
ID : 1
Format : PCM
Format settings, Endianness : Little
Format settings, Sign : Signed
Codec ID : 1
Duration : 47 min 54 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 1 024 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 32.0 kHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Stream size : 351 MiB (3%)
Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration : 225 ms (6.73 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration : 266 ms

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 4:34 AM

There have been many times I could not, for example, drag an AVI file to the timeline, or media/project files and with the alternate avi plug it is voila!...no problemo!!

NickHope wrote on 5/28/2018, 5:02 AM

Do you know how this file was recorded?

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 5:35 AM

This might have been transferred from digital DV camera to computer - it is an older file so I can't remember exactly. But this is absolutely not the only AVI file I've had similar compatibility issues with Vegas, and the others would be from different sources.

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 6:08 AM

So, to test your theory, I renamed both aviplug.dll files so that they would be bypassed, and, at least for this particular AVI (QT) file, your theory holds up, that it must then seek out a QT plug. and it does load with aviplug.dll's bypassed...

...But I will test this further when I get more time. So far, we know that the "normal" aviplug.dll prevents my AVI from even loading into a Vegas song which it had resided before without any problem, understanding that for that to work at that time, the aforementioned Aviplug.dll had been renamed and thus bypassed, and though at the time it seemed that the new .dll file was the fix, that replacement file would now seem to not be, in and of itself, the magic bullet, but in replacing - the disengagement of the old file by going in and renaming was the factor, again, at least on the AVI file in question.

NickHope wrote on 5/28/2018, 6:40 AM

Do you have any 3rd party DV codecs or codec packs installed? That might cause this.

If you can share a sample of any "failing" AVI files on a cloud service (e.g. on Dropbox, Google Drive, OneDrive, mega.nz, wetransfer.com or mediafire.com) then I can alert the developers to them to take a look, and also try them here in various versions of Vegas. Obviously 8.1GB is a bit large though. Also of course it would help the developers to know as many details as possible of how the files were created.

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 1:28 PM

No, I have no 3rd party except perhaps AVID, Adobe CC, and Go Pro. no weird stuff.

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 1:35 PM

This has been the case over the years, that certain AVI files just don't play well with Vegas, that has been my, and others' as well, experience. BUT, one fix that has worked, for whatever reason, is the one I have posted here, that alternate AVIplug.dll. AS long as I have that sort of workaround, I am happy - (but it took me an hour, at least, after the latest patch/update to figure that out) but this, in the end, may just get down to a QT problem. I am certainly willing to share information to get to a fix, maybe this is just part and parcel of the AVI ability to wrap so many formats, including, oddly enough, QT, that eventually you get to one that is not kosher.

john_dennis wrote on 5/28/2018, 2:12 PM

[Idle Speculation]

Might this video have been captured with an ADS Pyro?

[/Idle Speculation]

zdogg wrote on 5/28/2018, 3:06 PM

QUOTE

[Idle Speculation]

Might this video have been captured with an ADS Pyro?

[/Idle Speculation]

WOW, JOHN.....(♪ding, ♪ding, ♪ding ,♪ding) YOU ARE GOOD!!, and YES and I had forgotten about the Pyro, and most probably it would have been the method of transfer......good catch there, and I am surprised this forum logs so far back, wow....but I would not know the exact implications of that method of transferral, if indeed that was the case. Pyro was firewire, I remember that much - I still have that darn box, at one point, the firewire just seemed to crap out, like I got less than a year's worth of usage....POC!! ahahhahaha

Dan123 wrote on 6/23/2018, 4:26 PM

i used the link you added to fix the avi issue, and now i am unable to open vegas thanks for that mate.

zdogg wrote on 6/23/2018, 11:29 PM

Don't panic, as I told you, (everyone) RENAME the old file before replacing, don't delete it, and if there is a problem, just rename it back to original and delete the other replacement file if that's not working. This is an old trick you should know for a variety of situations where you'd need to experiment but can find your way back if need be, and you can thank me for the "hacking" lesson later when you figure out this is not a big deal.

If you did somehow delete the file, just reinstall the latest VP15 build and your back in shape.

OldSmoke wrote on 6/24/2018, 3:30 AM

@zdogg are these AVI files by any chance recorded with an old Canopus capture card like a Raptor card? I do have such AVI files and Vegas, all versions, cant open it. I had to keep the old Canopus DV codec around until I finally converted them all. I found that codec's zip file, have a go at it if you like.

zdogg wrote on 6/25/2018, 12:46 AM

No..