Hardware:
9900K cpu
2080 ti gpu
32gb ddr4 3000mhz c15 ram
I've used both Vegas 16 and Premiere Pro 2019 trial programs, but the Adobe trial ended before I could make my own comparison.
I still have Vegas 14 installed, but I'm looking into upgrading.
Now that I know both programs detect the 2080 ti, which program is more optimized for rendering videos with the 9900k and 2080 ti?
Something to remember about PPro - only certain features are GPU accelerated. You should read the info about that - much the same with Vegas
When I was using Premiere (last year) I switched because of poor hardware utilization. I rarely got up to 100% CPU utilization on my Ryzen 7 1700 (O.C.) and was told by support that I shouldn't overclock my hardware. Switched to vegas when I realized it was cheaper long term and the render times were close to half, at least with what I was doing.
Personally I don't like this subscription model Adobe offfers. I prefer a one time purchase, and upgrade only when necessary. When I started it was with Vegas 8, then upgraded to 10, because it had some audio features I wanted to have. Then after a very long pause upgraded right to 13, and since then to the more recent versions. We also have the deal to sale the older unused licences, which can make Vegas even more affordable. So short after I bought the Vegas 10 upgrade could sell my licence for the 8. I still have the 10 and 13, but not so long ago sold my V14, exactly here on this forum. So if price matters, Vegas is the way to go, I think (or Davinci for free, but that's another story).
I like Vegas because it thinks the way I think. That was clear at the first moment when I met Vegas.
Whenever I talk with a client about a task, what he/she wants to see, at the end of the very last sentence I know how I will do it using my tools, in the middle with Vegas.
And just as a sidenote, if prestige matters too..
I'm a kind of freenlancer, many times I'm just a cameraman among others. Let's say it's about an online broadcast of a sport event with a dozen of cameras. The boss collects his crew from freelancers (like me), and the crew is never made of the same guys. These people are retired cameramen from big TV stations, cameramen from small-town local TVs, wedding videographers in the winter, etc. In a coffee break we used to talk about who what where and when does, how we usually work. When I mention working with Vegas, not always, but most of the time I get neglecting looks, colleagues tend to "wow" to Ppro, or FCP users.
I don't really care. I have the ultimate argument: whoever hires me, wants to have a video, and not a specific tool it is made with...
Just one more thing:
My advice would be to choose the editor you can work with the best. Which will be your "partner" in your workflow. And then modify your hardware setup according to you choice of software, be it Vegas or PPro or whatever...
I personally wouldn't make that choice based on GPU rendering. In my opinion nothing in Vegas Pro is even close to output quality compared to frameserving to Handbrake. I'm specifically talking about x264 and x265 which I think are some of the better distribution formats. Now I don't use PP so maybe it has some option as good as Handbrake?
Most of my time in Vegas is spent editing and the speed of your hardware would make preview quite snappy, which always makes for creative editing in my experience.
IIn my opinion nothing in Vegas Pro is even close to output quality compared to frameserving to Handbrake.
I've seen a few people on the forums mention Handbrake. I'm really curious how you integrate handbrake into your workflow?
I don't use it yet, but AFAIK Happy otter scripts builds a bridge between Vegas and FOSS projects, including Handbrake. Find more info here:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/happy-otter-scripts-for-vegas-pro--113922/
A Ryzen 1700 isn't worth buying for Premiere Pro. Just get a 6 Core i7 or an i9 with HT. The Ryzen 1700 is marketed as being comparable to a 7th Gen i7-7700K. That's a 4 Core 8 Thread CPU with barely any Turbo Boost... That should give you an idea of how good those cores are, and we know AMD uses heavily multithreaded tasks to benchmark their CPUs, so that they can take full advantage of their higher core count (something they've been using to make up for their worse per-core/per-MHz performance for over a decade).
Premiere Pro, Avid Media Composer, and Edius Pro all run better on Intel + Nvidia. I'd argue VEGAS, as well, just by virtue of how it utilizes CPU resources... This has always been the case. A lot of people are running to Ryzen because of hype, benchmarks, and price... but the proof is in the details.
Premier's Playback Engine is well-optimized for CUDA. A 1080/2080 is overkill unless you use plugins that zap VRAM (noise reduction, etc.), or round trip to software like Resolve on the same machine... but it's well optimized for Nvidia.
People complaining about low CPU/GPU usage often don't understand what they should be expecting. They think throwing 100 cores at a workload will increase the speed by 100x. That's not how things work. With simple projects, you won't see massive CPU utilization as you increase core count. Hell, in some software you may actually lose out unless you limit the number of cores the software can use. VEGAS has a setting for this, for this exact reason.
A lot of NLEs don't even formerly support Ryzen, and blatantly tell their customers to get Intel (i.e. Avid). Intel has better Per-Core/Per-MHz performance. As you use more cores on a Ryzen CPU, your max clock speeds get pushed down. This causes them to perform worse than Intel CPUs with less cores (and "seemingly" lower clock speeds). If you spread your workload too thin across too many cores, you can end up stifling performance. So it's not a bad idea to play around with limiting the threads VEGAS is allowed to use to see how that affects performance on a high-core/thread count CPU.
This seems less of an issue with Intel. I've rendered 50+ minutes on Laptops on i7-HQ CPU/Pascal GPU with Max Turbo Speeds and it never dropped from the max... at 100% CPU usage. GPU usage in most NLEs is not going to be high unless you're using plugins that tax the GPU. Many OpenFX are more CPU bound than GPU bound, and use only OpenCL/OpenGL Acceleration.
GPU utilization while rendering with the HWA SIP on the GPU can be misleading, as the "overview graph" adds in NVENC, which is not actually the GPU.
Since I chose Ryzen 7 1700, I figure I'll just post a quick defense of my decision.
My Ryzen 7 runs stable with all 8 cores at 3.9ghz. Sure it benches barely under an i7 7700k for single core performance (about 50 points using CPU-Z) but it does crush it in mutli-threaded performance. I understand that most NLE's don't take advantage of such performance, but when you look the difference in price between an i7 7700k ($419.99 from newegg.com) vs a Ryzen 7 1700 ($169.99) I have no problem giving up a little on single core performance. In order to match the Ryzen in price you have to drop to a dual core i3. Not to mention the Ryzen processors actually come with a reasonable CPU fan and Intel does not come with any form of CPU cooler. My point is that price to performance, AMD beats Intel without question. That said, if you want the "best" then of course you'd go Intel, but you're going to pay for it. For the work I do, I can't justify spending the extra money when I'm not sure I'd even notice a difference in performance (except render times which I don't have any issue with at the moment).
"I've seen a few people on the forums mention Handbrake. I'm really curious how you integrate handbrake into your workflow?"
If you want an open source encoder integrated into you Vegas workflow, this is Howie Duet.
Trensharo.
What? I beg the differ. I would not trade my 1950X for $1000 Intel i9. Vegas has no problem using of my high cores counts and high CPU usage in rendering and editing. I have absolutely no complaints in its performance in Vegas. Davinci Resolve studio 15 and VP loves my 1950X..
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/amd-vegas-16-pro-nvidia-rtx2080-problem--114509/
PS. 1950X OCed 4Ghz and Vega 10 Frontier Edition is a matched made in Heaven and that currently NO $1000 Intel CPU and Nivida Cards any GTX cards can match its performace in rendering and TL performance at the movement. Of course I am strictly speaking of Vegas here. Not talking about any other NLE here.
Here are a few more screen shots. My CPU/GPU working together each time and every time to nearly 100%. Now you me they are sucks. Please show me some of yours favorite GTX cards 2080Ti or maybe 3080ti? and show me some of your 10 core i9 as well. I want to see it. Cards that are powerful in games does not means its great for Vegas.
Thank you everyone for your input!