Okay Rosebud - enjoyed your role in Citizen Kane and all that....

For the first time since reading and contributing to this thread, I have an inkling of what you're talking about.

You started by using the term "overwrite mode" as if everyone with justification to breathe knew what that meant. I have been editing video for many many years, and had not till this worthy thread come across the term in a video context.

Now that you have introduced the concept of Overwrrite in a text context - MS Word - I gather that you mean to add a pre-designated length of video to the timeline in such a way that that exact length replaces everything that previously occupied exactly that length on the same Track.

Okay, I now at least understand what you mean - could you please now tell me in what circumstances this would be a good idea.

>>Do you know there is a Support/Product Suggestion part of the Forum? If you go there to suggest adding an overwrite feature, it will get to the attention of the correct people.
of course, I already did that.
but I think it is interesting to discuss of that on this forum.

>>Using Takes actually is a overwrite mode, but it's non-destructive.
One again: Overwrite mode and Take feature are not the same things !

>>Okay, I now at least understand what you mean - could you please now tell me in what circumstances this would be a good idea.
In first: to work faster.
With overwrite mode, you don’t need to set precisely the out point. you keep a little more matter, this matter will be erased (and out point will be set) when you will add next clip on time line.
that enables you to better appreciate the cut by switching with time line and Trimmer.
Actually, when I add clip to time line, she must be empty and so, i get a black frame when I switch to time line from trimmer. Not very easy to appreciate cut.
Another reason is to make a real tree points editing. I would like to explain more that, but as you can see my English is (too much ? )bad... :(((

I think there is reason if absolutely all another NLE have an overwrite mode.
Again I don’t ask to change Vegas workflow.
But if we have to wait V4 to Ripple edit mode and V5 for a simple dragable cursor, I really hope we will not need to wait V10 for an overwrite mode.

Please Sony, give us your opinion on this question.

Regards

I'm sorry Rosebud - I didn't intend to catch you out on your English - just wanted to understand what you meant.

In my opinion, Overwrite mode is a hangover from the Tape to Tape editing days, when Insert Editing was handy to replace existing footage, but it was a destructive process.

As others have said, it’s a worklow issue.

Vegas has a much better way

- Select the track you want to replace, right click and “Insert New track”
This inserts a new track above the one in question

Position the cursor, select this track, highlight your replacement footage in the Trimmer and click A to add it to the timeline. Done.

And the advantage is, you still have the previous footage in the track below if you want to change your mind or bend it a little.

>>> In my opinion, Overwrite mode is a hangover from the Tape to Tape editing days, when Insert Editing was handy to replace existing footage, but it was a destructive process.

Completely agree with you.
Yes it’s destructive process, just like the Ripple Edit Mode (already in V4).


>>> Vegas has a much better way

I already use this method for my « plan de coupe » (this is the French name, i don’t now the English name).
But for me it 's only a work around.

"plan de coupe"

That's a bullet in the back of the head, right?

I have make a dream last night ;)))
Overwrite Mode

So... no overwrite mode for Vegas 6.

Can a sony tecnician explain why Vegas is the only NLE without this (basic) feature ?

here, some screenshot :
http://vital.musique.free.fr/Screeenshot%20NLE.jpg

I think that is a wonderful idea. sound forge 8 has it, and CD/Arch has it also.
The new ripple editing feature should make it automatic but most likly move the tran along and not over write it.
OT: BTW have you had trouble with CD/Arch crashing, or is it I that have received this honnor alone?

Best Wishes,
Marty

Rosebud - Is this different to what you're after:

Pick a selection or clip from Trimmer or elsewhere and drop it over the top of an existing event on the timeline, on the same Track. It replaces the existing clip for the duration of the new clip, either vision only or vision and audio if that's what you dropped..

Rosebud - Is this different to what you're after:


not completely.
you speak about a "replace" feature.
To understand me, you can try my script "overwrite edit mode" at Vasst.

Can't you just tell me the difference between your script and what I described?

(When I said "replaces" I could have said "overwrites".)

You speak about replace ONE event by another ONE.

I speak about overwrite ONE or SEVERAL events by ONE event (with automatic split event )

You never try another NLE ?

Thanks for the explanation.

Yes, I've worked with other NLE's but I've never needed this function.

Just do what i did...

Switch back to avid. Overwrite mode is very usefull and if you need it... perhaps Vegas isnt for you.

Vegas 6 performance, the lack of new plugins or better editing features... poor nesting etc... i've decided to go back to avid and get avid express pro HD.. I like avid. Its a better cutting tool, with more plugs. Vegas is so easy to use, but its becoming bloated rather than refined. It should be noted that there are plenty of avid users who complain about their app too. It doesnt mean Avid is bad, nor does it mean Vegas is bad.

Vegas is great. I like it quite a bit. I just wish version 6 tightened up all of the lose ends. I wish it added better editing tools/interaction. Overall, Avid is better at playback performance, its much smarter about prerendered clips, faster cutting i feel.

Vegas is easy to use and powerfull but it's starting to unravel i think. Vegas 3 i looked at like "hmmm has potential" Vegas 4, i was blown away.... Vegas 6, is a buggy mess, slow performer.... the new features sound great but they dont perform well at all.

I'll keep my eye on vegas 6. I'm sure sony will fix the obvious bugs.... i just hope they can get the performance issues fixed with nesting and so forth.

I dont plan to change for another NLE at this time.
Even with some lacks, Vegas is a good NLE for me.
However I am very curious to know why Sony estimates this is a nonessential feature.

Once again: We had to wait V4 for Ripple edit mode and V5 for a dragable cursor.
I really hope we will not need to wait Vegas10 for an overwrite mode.

Frankly overwrite mode should be in vegas 6.0b :)

Having been using avid lately.... i just realized how much i missed it when using vegas last night.

Overwrite mode is a must... and dare i say stuff it in 6.0b! :) Dont wait for version 7 to add this basic feature.

If it is scriptable, why does it need to be added? I believe rosebud said they had created a script that does. Just at the script to the tool bar and your done. Or am I missing something.

Yes, it is scriptable but:
-there is some issue with grouped Events
-it is not so handy than a real "Overwrite mode"

Again: "Overwrite mode" is a basic feature and ABSOLUTELY ALL NLE (except Vegas) have this feature.

We can work without this feature but it is nevertheless paradoxical which VEgas (who is a powerful NLE) dont have this mode.

6/15/2004 > 9/12/2008

Alléluia ! :))))

amen to that brother....

Wow, zombie thread.

just watched the whats new in 8c video by Spot and he says and shows the new overwrite mode button. seem to be the same as liquid, avid and others. check it out.

http://www.vimeo.com/1714475
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and let me know if it is the same thing or not