Z-Deptch is not working like I see in tutorials

Uytkownik-Vegasa wrote on 2/4/2024, 7:04 AM

Why Z-Depth effects is not working like I see in mamy video tutorials?

See: 1:37


For me this always is not looking like in the tutorial. In tutorial we can see a background, but in my case everytime i do this I see a black removed bacground. So this is not working like this. I don't want to duplicate an event and put it below manually.

For better understanding see another screenshot: https://imgur.com/fzvbWtj
Here is comparison screen-by-screen: https://imgur.com/u1dXBnx
 

Like you see he has a background, I don't have a background. I can't understand this.

Comments

jetdv wrote on 2/4/2024, 7:26 AM

It looks to me like he is not using the most current version of the deep learning models. He doesn't have the "Map Finesse" category showing. Plus I'm seeing 5 presets, he's only showing three. That functionality could have changed in the newer versions (I'm seeing the same as you in the current version but it makes sense - the background should be "removed"). But I don't recall it every working without needed the second copy below the text unless the text was added as an effect to the event.

RogerS wrote on 2/4/2024, 8:14 AM

I think I have it- you don't add Z-depth as an event Fx but rather you go to the text track, change the compositing mode to z-depth and then adjust the settings.

Uytkownik-Vegasa wrote on 2/4/2024, 8:29 AM

I think I have it- you don't add Z-depth as an event Fx but rather you go to the text track, change the compositing mode to z-depth and then adjust the settings.


Roger, I think I don't understand. What I have to do? Aplly Z-Depth effects to an event, and then Apply Z-Depth effect to whole timeline track (by composite mode)?

I did it and doesn't work. So I have to doing it wrong...

Uytkownik-Vegasa wrote on 2/4/2024, 8:41 AM

Hmmm, I think the easiest way to solve it is to show you.
Here I am trying to do this. One way and second way. But both of them are not working at all.

Former user wrote on 2/4/2024, 8:43 AM

@Uytkownik-Vegasa Hi. 'Apply Z-Depth effects to an event' - no,

Add your media, at the track header choose Custom, an FX window (Plugin Chooser) will pop-up, choose Z-Depth,

(When an fx is added to an event the fx button has a blue dot on it, if you look at Roger's pic there's no blue dot on the event fx, he has only added an fx (Z-Depth) to the track with Custom.)

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Just noticed when the controls of Z-Depth are moved keyframes are created, other custom fx's don't do this, only the start keyframe is there,

RogerS wrote on 2/4/2024, 8:58 AM

I think I have it- you don't add Z-depth as an event Fx but rather you go to the text track, change the compositing mode to z-depth and then adjust the settings.


Roger, I think I don't understand. What I have to do? Aplly Z-Depth effects to an event, and then Apply Z-Depth effect to whole timeline track (by composite mode)?

I did it and doesn't work. So I have to doing it wrong...

Please look at my screenshot carefully. Do you see the Fx in bright blue on the event? No, because there is no Fx there.

Do you see the menu that appeared with the composite mode? That's where you select custom and then z-depth. If you can't see the composite modes change the track header to make sure that appears. VEGAS hides many useful features by default.

 

Uytkownik-Vegasa wrote on 2/4/2024, 10:14 AM

@Former user I did it even on my movie posted here. I know how to add effects to an event. So I don't understand your answer. I did it excatly in the same way and show on my movie.

Yes I saw the same (when the controls of Z-Depth are moved keyframes are created, other custom fx's don't do this) and that is weird.

@RogerS - What a point? On my movie I did it adding fx to an event and then did it in the other way (not adding an FX to an event). I did it twice to show that any of method doesn't work.

And still doesn't work.
Why Roger and Gid have a colorful background from original movie clip?
Why didn't you watch my movie?

Former user wrote on 2/4/2024, 10:21 AM

@Uytkownik-Vegasa You have the text on the lower track below the image, In Roger's & mine the text is above the image Z_Depth applied to the text track.

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Uytkownik-Vegasa wrote on 2/4/2024, 10:51 AM

So.... it looks like the main reason is that...
1. You can't add Z-Depth on an event, you have to add Z-Depth on somethng which is ABOVE your clip.

2. Adding by "Track FX -> Z-Depth"... http://prntscr.com/FyrcaGkUByjW
is not the same as adding by "Composite mode -> Custom -> Z-Depth" http://prntscr.com/PW4UvEa_9Cjg

That was very important.
But I will not use this feature again because it sucks.

By the way this new feature is terrible: http://prntscr.com/dGlfXyLzpb0p

Thank you for your time and help guys, big thanks!

Former user wrote on 2/4/2024, 11:06 AM

@Uytkownik-Vegasa Pls upload pictures & video using the arrow button next to the smiley at the top of a new comment

Uytkownik-Vegasa wrote on 2/4/2024, 12:00 PM

@Uytkownik-Vegasa Pls upload pictures & video using the arrow button next to the smiley at the top of a new comment

Oohhh Is that possible? I was wondering why this is not allowed here :)
I didn't see it. That button doesn't reminds my about uploading. Thanks, that would be easier.

fr0sty wrote on 2/4/2024, 3:29 PM

This feature is great... You can't expect perfection from any form of AI auto-masking on any platform, but when it comes to using it for things like color grading, isolating a person from the background to apply coloring to just them, it works amazing, as pixel-perfect accuracy isn't required.

RogerS wrote on 2/4/2024, 10:21 PM

Increasing the feather amount (or selecting auto feather) and enabling the temporal smoothing can help with edges.

I agree it doesn't get edges right sometimes and isn't really possible to fix in that case (wish the masks had add or remove foreground & background brushes).

Jack S wrote on 2/5/2024, 5:35 AM

@Uytkownik-Vegasa But I will not use this feature again because it sucks.

The feature only sucks if you don't understand how to use it.
Click Help/Contents and Index. When the online help opens in your web browser, type Z-Depth in the search field.
This gives a comprehensive description on how to use the feature.
As @fr0sty says, don't expect perfection.

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10Year_User wrote on 2/5/2024, 6:37 AM

Hello, this error happens when updating to Vegas Pro 21 build 208, in several groups I have read the same problem and I also experience it.  It seems to be a bug, to solve it I had to delete version 208 and install Vegas Pro 21 build 108 (the first version of vegas 21) with that the problem is fixed.  I hope the developers fix this problem.  My computer is a Windows 11 RTX4090 Intel i9 please tell me if it is solved when installing Vegas Pro 21 108 Good luck, I await your comment.

Jack S wrote on 2/5/2024, 8:32 AM

@10Year_User What error? Have you commented in the wrong thread?

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Genshin Infinity Gaming PC
Motherboard Gigabyte H610M H: m-ATX w/, USB 3.2, 1 x M.2
Power Supply Corsair RM750X
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fr0sty wrote on 2/5/2024, 9:37 AM

Hello, this error happens when updating to Vegas Pro 21 build 208, in several groups I have read the same problem and I also experience it.  It seems to be a bug, to solve it I had to delete version 208 and install Vegas Pro 21 build 108 (the first version of vegas 21) with that the problem is fixed.  I hope the developers fix this problem.  My computer is a Windows 11 RTX4090 Intel i9 please tell me if it is solved when installing Vegas Pro 21 108 Good luck, I await your comment.

Happily using 208 just fine here, no error.

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10Year_User wrote on 2/6/2024, 2:47 AM

Interesting.  I also tried the Z-Depth effect on two different computers and it failed on both but only on builds after 108, and on both it was fixed by going back to build 108. So it could have to do with the CPU or another component like the graphics card since I tested it on two identical machines.  The two PCs I tried them on are windows 11 nvidia rtx4090 intel i9 I read the same error that the person in the post describes.  In my case, to solve the problem, I followed the recommendation of another person who also had the same problem described in this post and I fixed it by returning to Build 108, so it may be that the error only occurs on computers with some of the components mentioned. .  For the same reason, I would appreciate knowing if the person who wrote the post uses Windows 11, the graphics card and the processor.  Thank you so much.

RogerS wrote on 2/6/2024, 3:20 AM

@10Year_User You may just need to download the newer deep learning (AI) module that works with 208.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-where-can-i-download-vegas-pro-and-other-vegas-software--104782/

I have a RTX 2080 and GTX 1050 with the latest Studio driver.

10Year_User wrote on 2/6/2024, 3:43 PM

@10Year_User You may just need to download the newer deep learning (AI) module that works with 208.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-where-can-i-download-vegas-pro-and-other-vegas-software--104782/

I have a RTX 2080 and GTX 1050 with the latest Studio driver.

Thank you very much for your comment, I did it on both my computers and it didn't work.  But since my computers are both Windows 11 Rtx4090 intel i9, it is possible that the problem is due to the components.  I read this same error in another forum from someone who had an RTX4080 so the error may only occur on 4060 graphics cards onwards... I would like to know what equipment the person who published the post works with. I think that if you know the exact computer on which the big is generated, it is easier for developers to fix the bug.

RogerS wrote on 2/6/2024, 6:22 PM

@10Year_User That's interesting. Could you create a new thread on this issue [Bug] NVIDIA 40XX GPUs not working with Z-depth

and it may attract other 40XX users to test and validate the findings.

Former user wrote on 2/6/2024, 6:27 PM

@10Year_User I haven't read this full thread just your last message. Open Vegas, Press shift while clicking on OPTIONS menu, go to bottom click on INTERNAL, type DNN into search bar , do you have the same settings as me?

If you don't you can try going to Options/preferences/video turn off GPU, restart, turn on GPU, restart, go back to the internal settings, do they now look like mine?

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/7/2024, 8:26 AM

Been playing with z-depth and the results seem to depend on footage. Stuff shot at a wide aperture, like f2.8, seem to work the best. Shots above f11, not so much. Auto-focus messes it up. I'm guessing depth is determined by focus or blur. Most gaming screen captures I tried didn't seem to work at all... more traditional or object-oriented masking separated into layers is probably better for certain material.