@TheRhino “I observe/record my data after it has looped 2-3 times and I have taken the average of the lowest & highest numbers seen during the last time I view the loop”

This is exactly what I do also. It really depends on users doing it in this way, no doubt just about all users do. This FPS Avg. test is open to human error though and J-V's results might be pointing towards that?

If not in error then I think its time to buy a GTX 1660 ti and sell my RTX 2080 ti.🤣

I update drivers every time they come out hoping it would fix it, but im stuck with black frames no matter what firmware.

If I understand correctly, you have a Radeon VII and GTX 1070 in the system. Do you have black frames with just one installed? IMO the AMD & Nvidia drivers are not playing nice together... This is from past experience building editing workstations...

 

I only get black frames if i have I/O enables for Nvidia, if i have a single nvidia card and radeon 7 pulled out, same thing, my laptop with 2060 gpu also has black frames............ R7 has no black frames but is unable to playback video.

I only get black frames if i have I/O enables for Nvidia, if i have a single nvidia card and radeon 7 pulled out, same thing, my laptop with 2060 gpu also has black frames............ R7 has no black frames but is unable to playback video.

If you are getting black frames on multiple computers with different video cards then it is likely a problem with your source video. A number of years ago I was having trouble with M-JPEG video files produced by my Blackmagic Decklink cards so I converted them to AVID DNxHD intermediates at higher quality settings, etc. and I could edit them just fine.

I only get black frames if i have I/O enables for Nvidia, if i have a single nvidia card and radeon 7 pulled out, same thing, my laptop with 2060 gpu also has black frames............ R7 has no black frames but is unable to playback video.

If you are getting black frames on multiple computers with different video cards then it is likely a problem with your source video. A number of years ago I was having trouble with M-JPEG video files produced by my Blackmagic Decklink cards so I converted them to AVID DNxHD intermediates at higher quality settings, etc. and I could edit them just fine.

 

I'll check it out if it does it to h264 videos, but to be honest with I/O turned on for nvidia my h264 is so unreliable and slow, i have to turn if off for much better playback.....so it seems nvidia is not really helping h264 playback when acceleration for decode is turned on in I/O

Well, I have my new system up. And my Radeon Vll went back.

I went with a

1. MSI X570 Unify MB (latest BIOS)

2. AMD Ryzen 3900X (no OC)

3. 32gb G Skill 3600mhz Ram

4. Corasir 850X PS

5. Corsair Force MP 600 PCIe 4 NVMe M2

6. 2 Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M2 500Gb Each

7. EVGA 240mm Water Cooler

8. And My XFX Radeon Vll ( with new DP 1.4ver cable)

I purchased the Radeon on Amazon for $529.00. The first clue something was wrong was when I restarted a couple of fresh installs of Win 10, I would see the restart dial spinning then my monitor would say "Input signal not found Check Video source, then Display going to sleep. PC would go to sleep for about 5 seconds then restart. I used a few different power options Ryzen Balanced, Win Balanced, turned off hibernation, disabled fast start. Still would lose signal when restarting. Tried newest drivers from AMD website, tried older drivers from AMD website. Used DDU to uninstall drivers before adding new ones. So I said I can live with it.

Then tonight I finally installed Vegas 17 and downloaded the benchmark project. I followed the instructions and played back the region that was marked. With Radeon Vll enabled in Vegas my whole system would crash and reboot. I then just did the benchmark with the CPU and it played fine. I tried again with the Radeon on and was getting less than 1 fps. When I would press the Q key on playback it would crash my whole system.

I then put my old Radeon R9 380 in and have latest AMD drivers and run the test again and Vegas does not crash. Then I restarted more than a few times and my PC restarts normally without losing input signal.

So I call Amazon they put me in touch with a XFX tech and he says card is defective.

So I returned it. And will run my R9 until I purchase a new card. It looks like the Nvidea 2070 Super?

On Amazon the Vega 56 is going from about $350 to $400. The Vega 64 goes from $400 Up, and a lot of them are used.

Thanks for all of the input.

@Sassylola Congrats on your new build. When you have your new Nvidia up and running, if you care to, you can post your benchmarking results in the Benchmarking continued thread.

There' s only ONE stat for me that I even look at, and that is playback speed. That's the time stealer now, now being able to have WYSIWYG when editing, and having to Ram Preview, etc. Sixteen more seconds on a render, etc. doesn't bother me a bit. VII and 2080ti are the cards that will playback with effects/compositing on the timeline and not crawl, and Vega 64 is close, and the Radeons, and as far as bang for buck, IN THIS CASE IN PARTICULAR, stand alone. (per techgage tests)

I might assume a defective card (VII) would not preclude trying the same VII card, if they'd swap. Then you'd know for sure.

Early May, 2020 Newegg has had the VEGA 56 on sale for around $250 USD which is about as low as it has gone on sale in the last couple years... I have a used one in a 2nd workstation and in Vegas it performs better than the newer MIDRANGE cards like the Nvidia RTX 1660ti, RTX 2060, or AMD RX 570, RX 5xxx series, etc. It's not quite as fast as my liquid-cooled VEGA 64, which is comparable to a Radeon VII in Vegas, but it's close-enough for the price. If you use a lot of other apps that prefer Nvidia for performance gains, then choose a Nvidia 2080 or 2080ti... However, you will have to pay a lot more just to have about the same performance in Vegas...

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-vega-56-rx-vega-56-8g/p/N82E16814930006

Early May, 2020 Newegg has had the VEGA 56 on sale for around $250 USD which is about as low as it has gone on sale in the last couple years... I have a used one in a 2nd workstation and in Vegas it performs better than the newer MIDRANGE cards like the Nvidia RTX 1660ti, RTX 2060, or AMD RX 570, RX 5xxx series, etc. It's not quite as fast as my liquid-cooled VEGA 64, which is comparable to a Radeon VII in Vegas, but it's close-enough for the price. If you use a lot of other apps that prefer Nvidia for performance gains, then choose a Nvidia 2080 or 2080ti... However, you will have to pay a lot more just to have about the same performance in Vegas...

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-vega-56-rx-vega-56-8g/p/N82E16814930006

 

Beware: Anecdotal opinion on GPU

I have always been a Radeon fan and after many years with Nvidia went happily back to Radeon with the Vega 56. Previously It was not popular due to the price point but like you said the prices dropped recently and its popularity went up (even here in South America).

It worked beautifully for a weekend then died. Admittedly I only played games that weekend, have no idea how it would render (but I did benchmark). Anyway, I went online and saw that the Gigabyte 56 was plagued with problems and had tons of bad reviews. In the month the a-holes I bought it from took to replace my card the 2060 went down in price and I got it instead. It works great.

I am a new user to Vegas (started in MS 16 and bought VP 16 when 17 was coming out) and editing, but my experience with Vegas and GPU optimization had been awful. Crashes on my GTX 760, no use at all of the GPU in rendering, etc. Now in the short time I have been using VP 17, amazingly, Vegas seems more stable now. And the GPU seems to be used properly.

Beware: Anecdotal opinion on NVME SSD

Now apart from the VEGA 56 the other part that I had problems with my new build was my NVME SSD, it was a cheap, but fast Spectrix S40G (Read 3500MB/s / write 3000MB/s). The first was dead on arrival and the second, which I am still using for my Steam library, the other day shut down, and then came alive. It even disappeared from my disk manager for a while (It might be the cause of these mysterious slowdowns I have had sometimes).

It made me think that if I were working professionally, I would keep my video stuff on a regular SSD, especially because I have heard other people talking about NVME drives dying quickly (mostly cheap ones).

I've been away from home since January but by this time next week, I'll be back to my beloved... which includes my 9900k/Radeon VII system. It's never given me the slightest hint of a full system or video crash since I built it about a year and a half ago. But I was pretty meticulous tuning the bios and memory while burning it in to get my prime95's to run error-free for 2 day stretches. The only video board glitch I ever noticed was an occasional reset to default profile after power up. Which was no big deal since I save my customized profile which just spins my fans a little faster than default as load and heat ramp up... I like hearing a slight change in fan noise when I kick off a render which then drops back to dead quiet when done... in case Vegas fails to issue it's programmed audio cue when render is complete... which inexplicably happens allot.

I've been wondering if using multiple monitors might contribute to the screen blanking crashes some folks here experience when running Vegas and other apps. I only have one monitor that I use regularly while editing and only ever turn on an hdmi flat screen Samsung to use as an external preview device in Vegas for screen testing tv deliverables. Which I'm going to be doing around the clock starting next week. I'll report back on that.