Auto Ducking / Auto normalize

Nizar-AbuZayyad wrote on 11/8/2024, 9:00 AM

Are there any videos or information about how to exactly use these 2 new features on vegas?

Auto Docking / Auto normalize

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jetdv wrote on 11/8/2024, 9:11 AM

Can someone explain to me in simple terms what the difference is between Normalise and Auto-Normalise."

In the initial normalization, there's no difference. The difference comes in when you edit the normalized audio event. With traditional normalize, when you split an event, the normalization of the second resulting event remains the same as it was before the split. With Auto Normalize, when you make that split, the normalization of both events is recalculated. So, with normalization as it is now, if I split out a section of my audio that has much lower peaks then the rest of my audio, I have to manually turn the normalization switch off and then back on to calculate normalization for those lower peaks. Auto Normalize does the recalculation automatically instead.

 

For Auto Ducking (not Docking)

Right-click on the header of the "voice" track, choose "More" and then "Auto Ducking Controller"

Then the "settings" dialog will appear and you can choose the desired settings:

Then on the music track(s), right-click on the header, choose "More", then "Listener" and choose the proper controller track.

You can also add the buttons to the track header so you don't have to go through the "More" menu.

You can also have multiple controller tracks that control different listening tracks.

You can also have multiple listening tracks for each controller track.

Nizar-AbuZayyad wrote on 11/8/2024, 1:52 PM

@jetdv I just tried the auto docking feature, and honestly, manual adjustments work much better. The auto docking doesn’t lower the music enough to make the voice-over clear and understandable.. i'm still figauring out how to use the normalize thing to see how it works.

jetdv wrote on 11/8/2024, 2:23 PM

For the Auto Ducking you might try different "settings". And also remember it is still a work in progress.

The way to see Auto Normalize work is to add it to an event and then split that event multiple times. Now each of the events will fully "normalized" instead of whatever the initial result was.

zoomed in you can really see the difference:

Nizar-AbuZayyad wrote on 11/8/2024, 2:57 PM

@jetdv Thank you, i will do some trials on that.

bitman wrote on 11/9/2024, 5:27 AM

@Nizar-AbuZayyad Auto ducking is already a workable new feature, and I am sure it will be improved in future releases, just be aware of following bugs:

1) do not use crossover (overlaps) in the voice over - or the ducking does not return to 0 after a crossover

2) keep the audio track meters enabled (or ducking does not work)

I agree with you that the default setting of the audio ducking (-3 dB) is a little weak. Set it to -6 dB for starters and increase to -8 dB if needed). Also set peak to 0 (instead of 25) for starters, this will generate a flat line (more steady) reduced level on the music. Do experiment with it though as Jetdv suggests.

 

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 11/9/2024, 11:57 AM

To quiet background music for narration, I'd want to use more than -3db (25%) and also place the upper level of the mood-music tracks low enough to keep them in the background... I'd start with -6db (50%) for both. Btw, kind of weird to see db on one slider and percent on the other.

With musical performance mixdowns however, where the other musicians are intended to be heard as prominently as the vocalist between the cracks, I use 0db as the backing level with ducking at the barest minimum to avoid peak overloads without being noticeable... typically -1.5 to -3 db. But to also let through vocal expression and nuance, allot more control is needed for this implementation to be useful mixing music.