"VEGAS is doing about as well as it would have if Sony had kept it, so there isn't "too much" anyone can complain about that."

I couldn't disagree with this statement more... Sony pretty much left Vegas to rot while the competitors raced ahead adding features like robust GPU accel, motion tracking, pro color grading, etc... which is why it has taken Magix 3-4 years to start to catch up to everyone else. Now they have the best HDR implementation I've seen, their audio is still light years ahead of Resolve even though they haven't touched it in years, their format support is as well, so is their scripting support, and there's a lot of areas where Vegas had been lagging for a long time where they now compete.

Other NLEs being aggressively developed keeps Magix on their toes, and I'd say they're doing a pretty good job of keeping up, as well as innovating ahead of the others in certain ways. So, it's a win-win that these other apps are being developed so aggressively... and that Vegas is as well.

+1. Anyone who thinks Magix haven't been very busy improving the software clearly isn't paying attention. Perhaps intentionally so. I believe there are a number of "contributors" to this forum who do not use Vegas, but only comment as some kind of weird intellectual game.

It is not the question at all, if the Vegas Team has done a great job - for example also with the latest update. No doubt about that.

But it is also legitime to request the support for new emerging formats. If you are not interested in new formats at all, fine for you. But why should that be important for the users who simply ask for support BRAW here?

The new color correction and the new grading tools makes a lot of sense with raw. Also with BRAW or ProRes raw. We will see what the Vegas team will do here in the future. As long as there is no support for BRAW in Vegas users have to churn to Resolve. Something that I would not like as a long time user and tester fir this great software.

@Wolfgang S.

Are you talking to me? I don't have a problem with people making feature requests.

Not specifically to you. It is simply how we see here requests in general.

Fair enough. It's difficult to achieve a balance between open discussion of a feature request and overt negativity. Often these threads seem to descend into Vegas/Magix bashing - which ruins the forum IMHO.

But I would say the moderation on this forum is pretty good really.

Interesting conversation.

We have a very long backlog of format support requests which we would love to get to you and that include BRAW). The focus for our File I/O team over the last several released is to improve reading and rendering performance, which you all know. The reality of the matter is that without the current performance and GPU support work which we have been doing, many of these requested formats would been virtually unusable in VEGAS. We hope to get to work on new format support again in the not too distant future, but at the same time, we have a tremendous amount of code restructuring we still would like to do to improve general performance of VEGAS Pro.

With all that said, I do not want to discourage anyone from making a request for format support, even if it duplicates what others have requested. This will help us know which formats are in most demand at the moment and direct our efforts toward them.

OK. Native cineform and Avid (as mxf ) formats please. :)

I'll add Red R3d. Hasn't been updated to Dragon color which is out about 5 years now. No idea if more recent Red cameras are supported at all.

I'll add Red R3d. Hasn't been updated to Dragon color which is out about 5 years now. No idea if more recent Red cameras are supported at all.

 

They are.

 

MAGIX barely develops their software. VEGAS is actually one of the packages they own that gets developed the most, these days. Software like Samplitude doesn't really get developed heavily, for example, and many of the plugins MAGIX bundles with their pro software (eFX, Vandal, etc.) haven't been updated in any major way in 8-12 years.

VEGAS is doing about as well as it would have if Sony had kept it, so there isn't "too much" anyone can complain about that.

But it still has to compete with packages that are more aggressively developed, and sometimes at lower price points.

Samplitude is great, there's not much further these programs can go, as emulators of multitrack tape studios, they get the job done and then some. Third party stuff is really easily obtained and implemented. I use the Slate plugins and drums, the East West Composer Cloud. I wish Vegas was as solid and with as slick an UI as Samplitude, I truly wish that. You want a bit more, there is Sequoia, but I don't know too many that feel any sort of lack with Samplitude. Your only real limitation is you machine you're running.

Video is MUCH more complex, many more formats, different ways of compositing, it's like 3d to audio's 2d. But I do wish that Vegas would implement that Samp Gui, especially range selection and manipulation, more flexible mouse and smoother, less glitchy, less squirrely timeline routines and reactions.

I think many people are disappointed that BRAW is not yet supported in version 18. Any word on when support for this format will be added?

They've been pretty open about this all along. Some raw format support is being held up by the companies that make the codecs taking too long to approve the code in order for it to make it into the release build, in other cases, there was more important work on the video engine that needed to be completed before new format support could be added. No timeline on when it'll arrive, but it is actively being worked on.

Vegas Pro desperately needs better codec support.

ProRes Raw or 10bit 4:2:2 h265 codec support should have a higher priority than (IMO gimmicky) AI coloring or "sketch" effects.

They also require a LOT more time to implement, and in the case of ProRes RAW, are being held up by Apple's approval process.

Vegas Pro desperately needs better codec support.

ProRes Raw or 10bit 4:2:2 h265 codec support should have a higher priority than (IMO gimmicky) AI coloring or "sketch" effects.

Yeah, those effects look so cheesy and any video with those effects applied looks 100% unprofessional.

Vegas Pro desperately needs better codec support.

ProRes Raw or 10bit 4:2:2 h265 codec support should have a higher priority than (IMO gimmicky) AI coloring or "sketch" effects.

Yeah, those effects look so cheesy and any video with those effects applied looks 100% unprofessional.

Speak for yourself, I've used them in some music video projects along with other effects, and created some really cool looks.

I get you're salty about this feature not being ready, but none of those AI effects took anything away from the time it's going to take to implement RAW support. Overhauling the GPU support and video playback engine is what has been holding that up, but those 2 things are necessary in order to make the RAW support work without running at 1 frame per second and crashing every 2 minutes. That, and these third party codecs require participation from the third parties that make them in order to get approval, and sometimes that process takes longer than VEGAS' team would like them to, and there's nothing they can do about that.

 

Speak for yourself, I've used them in some music video projects along with other effects, and created some really cool looks.

I get you're salty about this feature not being ready, but none of those AI effects took anything away from the time it's going to take to implement RAW support. Overhauling the GPU support and video playback engine is what has been holding that up, but those 2 things are necessary in order to make the RAW support work without running at 1 frame per second and crashing every 2 minutes. That, and these third party codecs require participation from the third parties that make them in order to get approval, and sometimes that process takes longer than VEGAS' team would like them to, and there's nothing they can do about that.

 

Thanks for your reply. I just hope we get official word from Magix as to the progress of Blackmagic Raw.

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Questions:

BRAW is an exlusive RAW codec for BM camera right?

ProRes RAW in the other hand is somewhat universal RAW codec? Like Sony A7siii or Panasonic SH1 with Ninja External recorder ?

Never edited a RAW footage before, but I do see the demand in RAW is increasing day by day.

c.c @fr0sty

Questions:

BRAW is an exlusive RAW codec for BM camera right?

ProRes RAW in the other hand is somewhat universal RAW codec? Like Sony A7siii or Panasonic SH1 with Ninja External recorder ?

 

Never edited a RAW footage before, but I do see the demand in RAW is increasing day by day.

 

c.c @fr0sty

ProRes RAW is Apple's own thing. There's also ARRI RAW, Sony RAW, RED RAW, CANON RAW etc...

Questions:

BRAW is an exlusive RAW codec for BM camera right?

ProRes RAW in the other hand is somewhat universal RAW codec? Like Sony A7siii or Panasonic SH1 with Ninja External recorder ?

 

Never edited a RAW footage before, but I do see the demand in RAW is increasing day by day.

 

c.c @fr0sty

ProRes RAW is Apple's own thing. There's also ARRI RAW, Sony RAW, RED RAW, CANON RAW etc...

Ah I see, thenks ~