Cannot render AC3 file from VP17/VP18/V19 as I could in V12

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/1/2022, 10:52 AM

Don't know if I missed a announced about the AC3 not rendering or removed, has it?

I have tried and the https://www.voukoder.org/forum/thread/783-downloads-instructions/
and it renders to AC3 but will not import in to DVDA , It son default settings, file is great, can play it and import into VP18> but not DVDa, Help

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walter-i. wrote on 2/1/2022, 1:43 PM

@Zulqar_Cheema
Please don't double post - https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/can-not-render-format-to-ac3--131358/

Since you already have a reply here, please continue here.

EricLNZ wrote on 2/1/2022, 3:48 PM

I've removed the other post.

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/2/2022, 4:21 AM

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/ac3-pro-stereo-and-5-1-again-on-vegas-with-voukoder-10-2--133327/

That file when rendered does not work in DVD-A, I need to make that happen. ( Installed and checked)
I have Vegas 12 , that still works, and so I have a escape route, but seems pointless if I edit in VP18 then have to output a WAV , then convert to AC3, seems a mess.
I have output the latest project 70minutes with the audio as an MPEG2 & that is fine, but when a two hour show comes along it will not fit on a DVD unless I use an AC3 file, (lessons form the past) unless there are good settings to get a a decent picture at 120 minutes with audio

Any way around to get an output from VP18 onwards into an AC3 into DVD-A,
DVD's are still required in some places.

I posted else where as I was not sure if the post would end up in that forum or every where...

RogerS wrote on 2/2/2022, 4:23 AM

DVD-A is DVD architect? In the other thread Joelson wrote that he did burn it with DVD architect. Can you screenshot your Voukoder settings?

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/2/2022, 8:11 AM

I have it sorted, two issues so am happy to say the least.. works in DVD-A Now
Thanks for your input


AUDIO TAB
Encoder = AC3
Options = b=192000 copyright=1 dialnorm=-31 original=1
Filters = NONE
OUTPUT TAB
Transport Stream (.ts)


 

1: Voukoder outputs AC3 at 44.1khz, DVD-a wants it at 48Khz. If I change the Vegas output to 41.1Khz, it no longer works on DVD-A, ( on Voukoder  output set to AC3, Codec AC3)

Meadinfo:
General
Complete name                            : B:\TEMP TEST\3pm 2022 January 30th Hip Hop Pop VP18.ac3
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3

Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
File size                                : 7.90 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 45 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 192 kb/s

Audio
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Duration                                 : 5 min 45 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 28.711 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 7.90 MiB (100%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

2 I changed the out on Voukoder to Transport Stream TS and that works, which is at 44.1Khz
Media Info:

General
ID                                       : 1 (0x1)
Complete name                            : B:\TEMP TEST\OLD\3pm 2022 January 30th Hip Hop Pop VP18.ts
Format                                   : MPEG-TS
File size                                : 10.2 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 min 45 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 248 kb/s

Audio
ID                                       : 256 (0x100)
Menu ID                                  : 1 (0x1)
Format                                   : AC-3
Format/Info                              : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name                          : Dolby Digital
Codec ID                                 : 129
Duration                                 : 5 min 45 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Frame rate                               : 28.711 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 7.90 MiB (78%)
Service kind                             : Complete Main

jetdv wrote on 2/2/2022, 8:31 AM

I see AC-3 as a render option in VEGAS Pro 19. The "Pro" options have been removed but the I still see AC-3 and AC-3 AGC On.

You could also just render to WAV and let DVDA compress it to AC-3. Personally, I just usually output the audio in the MPG2 file and let DVDA convert it.

Joelson wrote on 2/2/2022, 10:40 AM

@Zulqar_Cheema

1.Your audio 1 rendered in Voukoder will not be recognized by DVD Architect as it is at 44.100khz

2.Your audio 2 rendered in Voukoder will be recognized by DVD Architect but will undergo a new conversion as it is at 44.100khz in a .TS container.

The ac3 audio standard for DVD Architect is 48.000khz with .ac3 extension

Any value different from this will not be accepted by DVD Architect or will undergo a new conversion as informed by the @jetdv

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/2/2022, 7:35 PM

"Any value different from this will not be accepted by DVD Architect or will undergo a new conversion as informed by the @jetdv"

I was hoping that I did not need to do that, as it more time in the render process and maybe more losses.
The AC3 file was great staring to render in less than a minute for the whole DVD

Is there no way to make the Vaukoder output AC3 at 48Khz?

                                                                                                                                              

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/2/2022, 7:37 PM

I see AC-3 as a render option in VEGAS Pro 19. The "Pro" options have been removed but the I still see AC-3 and AC-3 AGC On.

You could also just render to WAV and let DVDA compress it to AC-3. Personally, I just usually output the audio in the MPG2 file and let DVDA convert it.

I di that this time as the program was only 70 minutes, but I will be guessing what bit rates to use to get a video onto DVD-A depending on its duration, as I have all this sorted. Plus the extra conversion time.

DVD-A still complaining the file size is to large , but go ahead if you want to on 3.8Gb size file.

RogerS wrote on 2/2/2022, 9:21 PM
 

Is there no way to make the Vaukoder output AC3 at 48Khz?

                                                                                                                                              

Great question. I couldn't quickly figure this out in Voukoder myself. I suggest creating a thread in the Voukoder forum as either a bug fix or general question as it should be possible.

Joelson wrote on 2/2/2022, 10:28 PM

Is there no way to make the Vaukoder output AC3 at 48Khz?                                                                                                                      

@Zulqar_Cheema @RogerS

Just go to the project properties in Vegas and set the audio to 48,000khz. Voukoder will apply the project settings.

RogerS wrote on 2/2/2022, 11:34 PM

Well that makes sense.

How did the project get set to other than 48000KHz...

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/3/2022, 4:12 AM

Well that makes sense.

How did the project get set to other than 48000KHz...

No Idea...

Zulqar_Cheema wrote on 2/3/2022, 4:13 AM

Is there no way to make the Vaukoder output AC3 at 48Khz?                                                                                                                      

@Zulqar_Cheema @RogerS

Just go to the project properties in Vegas and set the audio to 48,000khz. Voukoder will apply the project settings.

Thanks for that, did that and all is well in DVD-A , NO re-render

Write up here

https://sonyvegas.co.uk/render-ac3-for-dvd-a-files-from-vegas-pro-14-onwards/

dochodca wrote on 3/16/2022, 4:54 PM

Voukoder is good

Best Dolby Digital AC3 Pro :

Here's a step-by-step for VP17. For VP1* just change the number.

1. Copy the C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 13.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\ac3plug\ folder (or ac3plug folder from old Sound Forge) to C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\ (if you have the Magix VP13 build 545 then the folder location may be different)

2. Copy C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0\Release-x64.fio2007-config to your Documents folder or somewhere you have full write permissions.

3. Add a line to the top of the file in a text editor such as Notepad so it looks like this:

[FileIO Plug-Ins]
ac3plug=FileIO Plug-Ins\ac3plug\ac3plug.dll
ac3studioplug=FileIO Plug-Ins\ac3studioplug\ac3studioplug.dll
aifplug=FileIO Plug-Ins\aifplug\aifplug.dll
.....
4. Copy the edited Release-x64.fio2007-config back to C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 17.0, overwriting the original version.

Notes:

1. You need DVD Architect installed for either this or the old workaround to function.

Dexcon wrote on 3/16/2022, 5:03 PM

Best Dolby Digital AC3 Pro :

Here's a step-by-step for VP17. For VP1* just change the number.

I never got the workaround to function in Vegas Pro 17 - it crashed VP17 when going to the AC3 render selection. But the workaround functions perfectly in Vegas Pro 16.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 8 Black

Installed: Vegas Pro 16 Edit, Vegas Pro 17 Edit, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 19 Edit, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, BCC 2022, Mocha Pro 2022, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Sound Forge Pro 15, SpectraLayers Pro 8, iZotope RX9 Advanced

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD

D drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

E & F drives: 2 x 2TB Barracuda HDDs 2.5"

 

todd-b wrote on 3/16/2022, 7:49 PM

Another technique is to upload your 5.1 audio as wav to YouTube . Youtube will encode both AC3 and Enhanced AC3 audio tracks. If your destination was Youtube then job is done, if it wasn't you can then download either of the surround tracks and append o to the video file using something like shutter encoder. I haven't tried this, it should work, but would need to check timings. Using voukoder would seem best unless you want an Enhanced AC3 track

EDIT: I had a look at Voukoder audio settings, it does every surround sound audio setting under the sun, no need for YT

dochodca wrote on 3/19/2022, 5:05 PM

Best Dolby Digital AC3 Pro :

Here's a step-by-step for VP17. For VP1* just change the number.

I never got the workaround to function in Vegas Pro 17 - it crashed VP17 when going to the AC3 render selection. But the workaround functions perfectly in Vegas Pro 16.

AC3 files for SV18 and SV19: https://www.mediafire.com/file/u303ar74amny8iv/AC3_for_SV18_and_SV19.rar/file

If necessary I can also do SV17