Change CPU ? (Intel I5-9700K -> I5-13400F)

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/14/2023, 12:22 PM

Good morning,

I currently have as PC configuration:
I7 9700K
32GB DDR4 3600MHz RAM
nVidia RTX 4070
OS, Vegas on one NVME SSD and my project and videos on a second NVME.

I wanted to know if I upgrade to an I5-13400F I would see a difference when mounting, if some are on this type of CPU.
I'm not talking about render time.

Can you put the preview to "good/complete" with 4K videos. Because currently in 4K I have to do a preview and it's rather ugly.
If I put them in "good", I have a problem, the videos freeze on the display.
In 2.7K no problem but as I do a lot of zooms I would like it to be smoother in 4K during editing with a "good" preview.

I film with a GoPro Hero 10 in 120fps quality and maximum bitrate in H264.

Thanks.
Regards.

Comments

RogerS wrote on 7/14/2023, 12:49 PM

You should look for a k series Intel with iGPU for best playback performance. I have the 13600K myself.

120fps is for slow motion so I assume your project is 30 or 60fps. You should get a decent framerate with either.

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/14/2023, 12:59 PM

Hello RogerS,

I don't understand, as I have a 4070 graphics card from nVidia, the iGPU is disabled.
Does Vegas take the iGPU into account in this case?

Yes my final project is in 60fps because I do slow motion and I downgrade it to 2.7K.

Thanks.

RogerS wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:02 PM

Disabling the IGPU is a bad idea as it's best for decoding media in VEGAS.

Former user wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:05 PM

@KiKoMaSo Hi, I'm sure you would get better performance with a better CPU but I have a Hero 11 & 120 UHD 8bit files don't play smoothly at Good (---)

I don't think setting the Preview to anything bigger than the Display is useful? I don't see any difference between Good (Half) & Good (Full)

 

Can you click your icon at the top of this page - My Profile & fill in your Signature with the full name of your CPU, GPU & amount of RAM, also inc the Windows & Vegas version, this will then show at the bottom of your comments,

Also there's an App called MediaInfo, download it, it's free & a fast download with no added adverts or any of that rubbish. https://mediaarea.net/en/MediaInfo

After downloading, right click on the media file in your Windows folder, open MediaInfo, choose Text from the options at the top, Copy & paste the information in a new comment on here 👍

Like this

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Here's 2 GoPro 11 files, 1 x UHD 120p 8bit & 1 x UHD 120p 10bit if anyone wants to try them,

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MFEV5cLN0_RQMSOL1oNq7f_6qhgC1Xsx/view?usp=sharing

I use Magix Movie Studio or convert them to ProRes to edit them.

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:22 PM

Disabling the IGPU is a bad idea as it's best for decoding media in VEGAS.

I have no choice, the iGPU is deactivated when I put a graphics card, it's like that in all PCs. The motherboard handles this.

 

 

@Former user Your configuration is superior to mine, I thought it would pass better.

See the media info: (an example)

General
Complete name                            : V:\Projets Vidéos\2023.06.25\videos\GX010684.MP4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 1
Codec ID                                 : mp41 (mp41)
File size                                : 1.94 GiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 47 s
Overall bit rate                         : 99.7 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 119.880 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main@L6@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 min 47 s
Bit rate                                 : 99.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 119.880 (120000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.100
Stream size                              : 1.94 GiB (100%)
Title                                    : GoPro H.265
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Color range                              : Full
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Nominal bit rate                         : 48.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 3.77 MiB (0%)
Title                                    : GoPro AAC  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC

Other #1
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 2 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Frame rate                               : 119.880 (120000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 09:31:49:039
Time code of last frame                  : 09:34:37:094
Time code, stripped                      : Yes
Title                                    : GoPro TCD  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC

Other #2
ID                                       : 4
Type                                     : meta
Format                                   : gpmd
Codec ID                                 : gpmd
Duration                                 : 2 min 47 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Title                                    : GoPro MET  
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-06-25 09:27:37 UTC
Duration_LastFrame                       : -935

 

 

In good:

 

I would like to change it to "good" because I put my preview on a second screen.
If that's not possible, I'll go with it. 😁

Thanks.

Former user wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:39 PM

In good:

 

I would like to change it to "good" because I put my preview on a second screen.
If that's not possible, I'll go with it. 😁

Thanks.

@KiKoMaSo I don't know about a second screen sorry & this is how i imagine the (Full) & (Half) work, in the main window if the Preview is at (Full) Vegas is working with full UHD media & is 'squashing' the image to fit in the preview window, But at (Half) it's not having to 'squash' it so much therefore less work for Vegas.

I have a 32" UHD monitor, setting the preview to Half makes the preview similar size but not smaller then the preview so Vegas isn't upscaling/stretching the media to fit in the preview therefore no loss in quality , I might very well be absolutely wrong on this 🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:42 PM

On my picture it's all on the same screen. 😅(sorry)
But the result is the same whether on my main screen or on my second screen.
Thanks.

Former user wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:47 PM

@KiKoMaSo Try, Project Media - Create Proxies & set the Preview to - Preview (Full), I see a slight difference between Good (Full) & Preview (Full) but they play ok'

PS, My Gopro 11 MediaInfo looks the same as your Gopro 10 👍

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/14/2023, 1:56 PM

I always create proxys.
Currently I set the preview to "complete" but I thought I could change it to "good - complete".
Given your configuration, I think that is not possible to put "good - complete".

Thanks.

Former user wrote on 7/14/2023, 2:03 PM

@KiKoMaSo Yeah I think I would just convert them to ProRes with Shutter Encoder, I'm converting MP4 phone clips to ProRes to use in Vegas now. https://www.shutterencoder.com/en/

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/14/2023, 2:07 PM

Thanks for the tip.
I was using Handbrake before but it's too long to encode, I think I'll stay in standard preview because of this.
Anyway, thanks for all the replies.👍

Former user wrote on 7/14/2023, 2:10 PM

@KiKoMaSo 👍 Someone else might have a better solution but I've seen people ask about 120p files on here before & I don't recall a solid solution beyond recoding them.

RogerS wrote on 7/14/2023, 9:59 PM

That isn't right about the iGPU being disabled when a GPU is in use. I have both a laptop and desktop with both in use at the same time. (Intel iGPU and NVIDIA GPU). If your motherboard really forces this don't make that mistake again when you upgrade. I've got a MSI Tomahawk z690 and no issue enabling the IGPU.

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VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

MH7 wrote on 7/14/2023, 11:15 PM

From my understanding, most modern Intel motherboards allow you to enable the Intel iGPU if you go into the BIOS and enable it, @KiKoMaSo. I’m sure @RogerS could help you in enabling the iGPU of your CPU in your BIOS. However, you would have to gives us the make and specific model of your motherboard, @KiKoMaSo, as, I believe, it is slightly different to enable depending on the specific motherboard. By the way, this is with your NVIDIA graphics card installed. You don’t have to have one or the other. You can usually have both enabled.

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RogerS wrote on 7/14/2023, 11:20 PM

I tried these GoPro h.265 files on my desktop (Intel UHD 770 iGPU doing decoding; RTX 2080 doing everything else).

On a UHD doubleNTSC timeline (59.940fps) the 8-bit file plays back at full speed at preview/full. If I cut it up, crossfade clips, etc. there are some lags but it's basically playable.

At best/ full it can play back at full speed but where there are edits drops a lot (20-30fps). The GPU is also active with lots of 3D activity.

If it were me I'd be on a 29.97 timeline and use 120fps for more dramatic speedramps. I added it at project framerate at best/full and it's playing back at full framerate. Where I made the speedramp I need to create a quick ram preview (shift b) to play it back fluidly.

For the 10-bit footage basically the same performance. On a 32-bit full timelime (view transform off) also mostly full framerate at 29.97fps though it drops when skipping the playhead around. At 59.940fps I can't get close to full framerate playback in 32-bit mode in preview/full or best/full. Preview/auto can.

Note that legacy HEVC decoding is not checked in preferences/ file io here.

 

Former user wrote on 7/14/2023, 11:51 PM

On a UHD doubleNTSC timeline (59.940fps) the 8-bit file plays back at full speed at preview/full. If I cut it up, crossfade clips, etc. there are some lags but it's basically playable.

For the 10-bit footage basically the same performance.

@RogerS That's really interesting, using Nvidia GPU decoder I have dramatically different playback results.

Would you try 'Detect scenes and split' while looking at GPU decode, I get an average of about 35% decode on the 8bit and 12% on the 10bit, and this corresponds to how bad they playback with both playing back badly but the 10bit much worse. With Intel decode it sounds like whatever the percentage they may be similar.

RogerS wrote on 7/15/2023, 12:26 AM

For 10-bit with detect scenes and add to timeline the 10 bit was at 14% Intel decode + ~50% GPU (at the start closer to 40% iGPU decode)
For 8-bit about 50% Intel decode, 90% GPU

Detect scenes and create subclips

8-bit 43% iGPU, 40% GPU
10-bit 23% iGPU, 60% GPU

This is on an 8-bit full range UHD 59.940fps project.

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/15/2023, 4:39 AM

Good morning,

Thank you for this information, I will go to the BIOS (ASUS ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming).
My config is from 2019, I hope it allows this.

THANKS.

RogerS wrote on 7/15/2023, 4:51 AM

Maybe these settings are similar on your motherboard: https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1045574/

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/15/2023, 4:53 AM

I found it is much better.
It still jerks during transitions but otherwise it's fluid in "good / complete", day and night.
In addition, it relieves the processor I feel.
Thanks again 👍

RogerS wrote on 7/15/2023, 5:36 AM

4k 120p HEVC is a tough format to decode but glad it's better this way. For transitions, shift + b or shift + m will help speed playback.

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/15/2023, 7:17 AM

Yes, it's better, thank you

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 7/15/2023, 3:34 PM

Disabling the IGPU is a bad idea as it's best for decoding media in VEGAS.

I have no choice, the iGPU is deactivated when I put a graphics card, it's like that in all PCs. The motherboard handles this.

It depends on you motherboard manufacturer but enabling/disabling is usually possible in the bios config. For my asus boards, I think Graphics is in the Systems Agent section. Laptops with hard-wired displays are usually an exception.

The 4th screen shot in this post illustrates my asus bios setting: link.

KiKoMaSo wrote on 7/16/2023, 2:26 AM

Good morning,
I managed to activate the IGP yesterday, it's much better.
Thank you.