CineForm 64-bit Support in Beta

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David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 11:21 AM
In fairness to Sony, there is a now an SDK that will allows direct CineForm access beyond to VfW. If the market demands this then Sony/CineForm will go that route. The need for 10-bit I/O has been greatly reduce with First Light, now you footage can be optimized (color corrected wih deep precision) before going into an 8-bit pipeline, so many issue of 8-bit color work no longer apply.
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 11:23 AM
jwcarney,

AJA LHi is not a dual link card. Do you have 4:4:4 10-bit data going over 3gb/s single link? I don't know the source for that.

David
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 11:35 AM
Back on topic.

I have just uploaded a new Neo Scene installer (build 117e). We are still trying to determine why a Neo HD user is fine but a Neo Scene users are not always getting an encoding license. This build provide more diagnois.

1) Uninstall older version, and install the new.
2) Run 64-bit Vegas 9 or VirtualDub.
3) Go to the export control and open the CineForm codec control panel (where you set quality and formatting.)
4) Look in c: for CFLog.txt and please report its contents.
5) Try encoding.

The CFLog.txt will tell me which license it is trying for and whether it get it.

David
jwcarney wrote on 6/25/2009, 12:14 PM
The goal is to capture 10bit 4:2:2 source but convert to 4:4:4(during capture) for vfx work in AE, then move stuff over to Vegas. I'm looking at Magic Bullet looks and Colorista (among other plug ins) to add additional color to the source, plus green screen work. Looks in AE supports > 8bit color AFAIK. I don't know how FirstLight compares to MB Looks or Colorista.
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 12:20 PM
First Light is for earlier in the chain, although you can do color finishing if you want. It is manly for primary grading and secondaries through 3D LUTs -- and it is fast. Colorista and MB Looks add the artistic spatial distortion a windowed secondaries, more complex and optimized for GPU work. The two complement each other well.
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 12:22 PM
Back on topic.

Need beta testers for the build 117e of Neo Scene with 64-bit, updated today. So the very first post for full instructions.

David
Cliff Etzel wrote on 6/25/2009, 12:38 PM
the full extent of the log file has multiple entries that say:

HD License

a 6kb log file was generated and that's all it says in mine. And VP9 64 bit is now hanging where as when I used the 32bit version of Neo Scene, I had no problems with opening a project I recently completed for a client using CF intermediates.

The intermediates play on the timeline, but VP9 has become bogged down making it completely unusable.

I was able to render a short clip @ 1280x720 CF AVI file with no error messages

I closed VP9 64 bit and reopened it - same sluggish performance in opening the timeline

Cliff Etzel
Videographer : Producer : Web Designer
bluprojekt
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 12:46 PM
Cliff,

I think you are running a older beta of the 64-bit codec. That is would explain the performance and the "Where is the codec?" message -- it is the wrong codec.

David.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 6/25/2009, 1:07 PM
Thought I had done the update for the 64bit codec. Installed it - now it runs fast!!!

Encode to 1280x720p CF High Quality went ligthening fast with no error messages.

Checked the log file - nothing changed in it - does that mean success?

Cliff Etzel
Videographer : Producer : Web Designer
bluprojekt
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 2:23 PM
Cliff,

That sounds much more like it, I think it is fast also. If you delete the CFLog.txt file you will see that what it is currently doing. It should just say "HD License" for each time you encode. Good to have another positive report.

Thanks,
David

P.S. More beta testers please. You too could be benefiting just like Cliff.
ECB wrote on 6/25/2009, 4:07 PM
I installed as per instructions:

CFlog
HD License
Where is the codec?

Plays fine but on encode sends me home to purchase a license. No surprised since it did not find the codec.

Ed
Xander wrote on 6/25/2009, 4:16 PM
I did a clean wipe and manually deleted all traces of cfhd.dll I could fine.

I installed 117e. In the SYSWOW64 directory, it installed cfhd.dll version: 5.1.0.366. With only this, Vegas 64 would not recognise any Cineform AVI files.

I exited Vegas 64-bit and then installed the 64-bit codec. It placed the cfhd.dll file in the SYSTEM32 directory version 5.1.0.368. Vegas 64-bit could then open up Cineform files, but when rendering, I get the following in theCFlog.txt file:
HD License
Where is the codec?
HD License
Where is the codec?
HD License
Where is the codec?
HD License
Where is the codec?
HD License
Where is the codec?
HD License
Where is the codec?

I did fresh downloads from the links above so hope they are both the right version? Vegas isn't getting confused between the 32 and 64 bit codecs is it?
David Newman wrote on 6/25/2009, 5:33 PM
With some PCs working and some not, I'm thinking there is a timing issue. So the new 64-bit codec waits long for a valid licenses, also uploaded new NeoScene 117f. The new codec will show as version 5.1.1.

David
ECB wrote on 6/25/2009, 5:52 PM
That fixed it!

CFLog

HD License

VP 64 encode & decode fine.

32x codec v5.1.0
64x codec v5.1.1

Ed
Cliff Etzel wrote on 6/25/2009, 6:01 PM
David - I show 5.1.0 - is there any appreciable performance or other benefits to the 117f version? And do you have a download link for it if needed?

Cliff Etzel
Videographer : Producer : Web Designer
bluprojekt
Xander wrote on 6/25/2009, 6:01 PM
5.1.1 seems to have done the trick:
HD License
HD License

I can now view and render from Vegas64. Will render a long form project overnight and see how it turns out.

I noticed with 5.1.1 that I could now change the encoder quality options which I couldn't before. I also see that this version has the Filmscan quality modes too.
kent1 wrote on 6/26/2009, 12:59 AM
I have Prospect 4K and it says that encoding is not authorised.
Xander wrote on 6/26/2009, 5:08 AM
First render of 58 minute project consisting of Cineform AVI and Quicktime MOV (PNG+Alpha) seems to have rendered without issue.

Busy rendering a 28 minute project now consisting of m2t and Quicktime MOV (PNG+Alpha). One thing I did notice on this render, is I was unable to change the encoding quality of the Cineform AVI, unlike for the first render. I didn't shut down and restart Vegas 9 Pro in between the two renders.
David Newman wrote on 6/26/2009, 7:56 AM
Kent,

Did you download the new P4K uploaded last night and the new 64-bit codec? Everything was just updated, sounds like you have mixed versions.

Here are the links for the new Prospect versions:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/1163666-post26.html

David
David Newman wrote on 6/26/2009, 7:59 AM
Running the latest versions, are all beta testers now getting fast playback and encoding? Hoping all the licensing issues are behind us.

David
Laurence wrote on 6/26/2009, 2:48 PM
I'm still getting the message that I need to buy the 64bit licence. I did a complete uninstall before I installed the "f" beta version.
David Newman wrote on 6/26/2009, 6:01 PM
The randomness don't make any sense. It is now working for most (I thought all until your post,) I now believe it is only an install issue.

SO

Uninstall 117f and delete cfhd.dll from windows/system32. Then install this only:
Neo Scene http://www.cineform.com/downloads/NeoSceneV132b117g-090626.zip
or Neo HD http://www.cineform.com/downloads/NeoHDv405b214d-090626.zip
or Neo 4K http://www.cineform.com/downloads/Neo4Kv405b214d-090626.zip

These are the first complete builds to include the 64-bit component in the standard distribution -- no more bat files to deal with. These are all going out ASAP. Feedback welcome.

David
kent1 wrote on 6/26/2009, 6:22 PM
Yes, now works perfectly. On a Intel Core 2 Duo P9600, 4GB memory 13" Sony laptop. Took 8hrs 6mins to render out 38 minute CFHD timeline with Sony colour correction. Looks like it is time for me to dump PPro 4 which seems fraught with all sorts of problems and move to Vegas permanently!
kent1 wrote on 6/26/2009, 6:31 PM
Loaded up the new "d" version. Still need to runCFHD64-511 separately since "d" version does not seem to have it.