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j-v wrote on 5/16/2022, 1:23 PM

- Which drivers for the Intell and Nvidia GPu's are installed?
_ Which sources are used? Give the MediaInfo.

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todd-b wrote on 5/17/2022, 6:13 AM

I am experiencing the same instability with constant crashes. I"M not sure how to account for it. Unlike you though Roger I've really enjoyed VP19 build 532 to such an extent I saw no need to upgrade to 550. It was exceptional compared to previous iterations. But now I"m in the same camp as you. It seemingly occurred after a double windows update. I don't believe I"ve installed any VST's or VFX plugins anytime recently .

So not sure what to tell you, build 532 and I assume 550 can be amazingly stable, but at this time, i'm unsure if I can regain that stability

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 12:16 PM

- Which drivers for the Intell and Nvidia GPu's are installed?
_ Which sources are used? Give the MediaInfo.

All the GPU's drivers are updated.

I can't give the media info trough the "Give the MediaInfo" link because this is for media (video) and my problem is for the whole software.

That make none sense to have those crashes and lags in a poroject that just have a slow motion applied.

I think you don't have the solution to fix that.

My computer is pretty new, I play video games with no problems and everything work perfect less Sony Vegas

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 12:18 PM

Sorry...I'm really disapointed...I'm not asking for nothing special. Just be able to do simple video edits

jetdv wrote on 5/18/2022, 12:26 PM

I can't give the media info trough the "Give the MediaInfo" link because this is for media (video) and my problem is for the whole software.

Yes, that link is to get the information on the type(s) of video you have on the timeline. That can make a HUGE difference and that information is needed if you want help.

Also, Vegas Pro 19 is NOT Sony... It's Magix since version 14.

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 12:33 PM

Yes yes ok, I'm using Vegas Pro 19.0. Not Sony, sorry...

The problem is that the issues are not only ina certain media, the issues are in the WHOLE software. Is not normal to work with an 1050Ti GPU, 64 gb ram and a i5 processor with 6 cores and have problems editing so simple edit.

jetdv wrote on 5/18/2022, 1:43 PM

@Roger-Trigo, so with NO media on the timeline, VEGAS is laggy?

Seriously, what is the media? When I use my 4K footage from my Osmo Pocket camera, I can get 30 frames per second on playback.

When I use the HD GoPro footage, it often will not reach 30 frames per second.

When I lower the playback rate and I use Optical, it will really struggle to keep up.

So, yes, more information is needed. Unless VEGAS is struggling to do anything with NOTHING on the timeline.

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 1:48 PM

Here is the media that makes it lag.

General
Complete name                            : D:\videos\SAD\pexels-creativ-medium-5657579.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/mp41/isom/avc1)
File size                                : 49.7 MiB
Duration                                 : 16 s 938 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 24.6 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 16 s 933 ms
Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.049
Stream size                              : 49.2 MiB (99%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 161 r10 db0d417
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=48 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / stitchable=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=infinite / keyint_min=59 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=5 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=24200 / vbv_bufsize=66000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 16 s 938 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 253 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 524 KiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 1:50 PM

@Roger-Trigo, so with NO media on the timeline, VEGAS is laggy?

Seriously, what is the media? When I use my 4K footage from my Osmo Pocket camera, I can get 30 frames per second on playback.

When I use the HD GoPro footage, it often will not reach 30 frames per second.

When I lower the playback rate and I use Optical, it will really struggle to keep up.

So, yes, more information is needed. Unless VEGAS is struggling to do anything with NOTHING on the timeline.

anyway,I could send you almost all the medias I worked because they also lag, only with a fade in transition , it lags. I can imagine what will happen if I add some effects or I just mix it with another video. It's not normal

j-v wrote on 5/18/2022, 2:20 PM

@Roger-Trigo,
Thanks for the MediaInfo.
It tells me that you work with pretty heavy sources.
I asked you another question about needed drivers.
You working with Vegas 19, you can read that in Help/Check for Drivers Updates. Give us a screenshot of the picture after clicking that option.

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Laptop  :Asus EVO37T, W11 home version 21H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, Intel UHD Graphics + NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070. VP 19 and VMS PL 17 are installed, all latest builds, Nvidia GPU driver version 512.96 Studiodriver and Intel GPU
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TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

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Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 2:26 PM

@Roger-Trigo,
Thanks for the MediaInfo.
It tells me that you work with pretty heavy sources.
I asked you another question about needed drivers.
You working with Vegas 19, you can read that in Help/Check for Drivers Updates. Give us a screenshot of the picture after clicking that option.

Sorry, I don't understand wich screenshot you need, and I can't find the Help/Check for drivers link.

Thanks for your help

j-v wrote on 5/18/2022, 2:38 PM

Look:

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Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 21H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti, Intel HD graphics 630
Laptop  :Asus EVO37T, W11 home version 21H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, Intel UHD Graphics + NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070. VP 19 and VMS PL 17 are installed, all latest builds, Nvidia GPU driver version 512.96 Studiodriver and Intel GPU
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Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 2:42 PM

j-v wrote on 5/18/2022, 3:06 PM

Thanks, I see you are using the latest drivers, those can't be the problem.
For the Nvidia and the use at video editting it is better to use the s.c. Studio driver , for you with nr 512,59
At editting set the preview at preview auto or use proxyfiles for no lag and be patient.

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 21H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti, Intel HD graphics 630
Laptop  :Asus EVO37T, W11 home version 21H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, Intel UHD Graphics + NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070. VP 19 and VMS PL 17 are installed, all latest builds, Nvidia GPU driver version 512.96 Studiodriver and Intel GPU
driver 30.0.101.1994
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEML DONOR !!!

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RogerS wrote on 5/18/2022, 4:13 PM

Have you experimented with other settings in x264?

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 4:22 PM

Thanks, I see you are using the latest drivers, those can't be the problem.
For the Nvidia and the use at video editting it is better to use the s.c. Studio driver , for you with nr 512,59
At editting set the preview at preview auto or use proxyfiles for no lag and be patient.

Thanks, Yes, I have this configs as it shown on the video

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 4:23 PM

Have you experimented with other settings in x264?

sorry, don't know how to change that setting

j-v wrote on 5/18/2022, 4:46 PM

Thanks, Yes, I have this configs as it shown on the video

I''m almost out of hints.
For maybe the latest I need pictures from you showing Options/Preferences/ Video and Options/Preferences/File I/O

 

met vriendelijke groet
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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 21H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti, Intel HD graphics 630
Laptop  :Asus EVO37T, W11 home version 21H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, Intel UHD Graphics + NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070. VP 19 and VMS PL 17 are installed, all latest builds, Nvidia GPU driver version 512.96 Studiodriver and Intel GPU
driver 30.0.101.1994
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEML DONOR !!!

Older Dutch tutorials of 3POINT and me: https://vimeo.com/vegasvideoforum

RogerS wrote on 5/18/2022, 8:49 PM

Have you experimented with other settings in x264?

sorry, don't know how to change that setting

How did you create this file? It was encoded by x264.

Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/18/2022, 10:29 PM

Thanks, Yes, I have this configs as it shown on the video

I''m almost out of hints.
For maybe the latest I need pictures from you showing Options/Preferences/ Video and Options/Preferences/File I/O

 


Erkki wrote on 5/18/2022, 10:51 PM

Checked your mediainfo.

"Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable"

I have had similar issues when processing variable bit rate videoclips from my cameras or Vegas video hub. Converting them to constant frame rate videos (for example using hand brake). Trying creating proxy via Vegas UI could help too.

john_dennis wrote on 5/18/2022, 11:06 PM

@Erkki

Don't confuse ""Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable"", then offer a solution to convert the media to constant frame rate.

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john_dennis wrote on 5/18/2022, 11:22 PM

@Roger-Trigo

What camera, recording device and/or software produced your media?

Are you so concerned about file size or compression efficiency that you don't want to drop an I frame ever (keyint=infinite)?

Could you share a sample of your media on a cloud drive and post the link here for others to test?

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Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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Roger-Trigo wrote on 5/19/2022, 12:37 AM

@Roger-Trigo

What camera, recording device and/or software produced your media?

Are you so concerned about file size or compression efficiency that you don't want to drop an I frame ever (keyint=infinite)?

Could you share a sample of your media on a cloud drive and post the link here for others to test?

I just download the video content from an official free royaltie video website. Any way, up here in a a comment you have the tech specs of the media that makes the software lag.

let me paste it here:

General
Complete name                            : D:\videos\SAD\pexels-creativ-medium-5657579.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/mp41/isom/avc1)
File size                                : 49.7 MiB
Duration                                 : 16 s 938 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 24.6 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 16 s 933 ms
Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.049
Stream size                              : 49.2 MiB (99%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 161 r10 db0d417
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=48 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / stitchable=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=infinite / keyint_min=59 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=5 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=24200 / vbv_bufsize=66000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 16 s 938 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 253 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 524 KiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-10-21 08:45:19

 

I'm sure is a heavy source, but for me it has none sense that working on a powerfull PC, I can't work fluidly. Think that there's no fx attached, just the media, a little slow motion and the fade in and fade out.

How can it be possible working with 8 cores, 64mb RAM and a 1050ti (4gb)GPU?

For example:

I generate a text with Vegas pro titler, I add shadow that falls down and at the same time the text expand slowly. I can't preview it, it lags eternally and randomly the software crashes.