I think that you are missing hitting keyboard 'V' which adds the audio envelope (a blue line along the middle of the audio track). It is on the audio envelope (the blue line) that you double-click to create nodes that can be adjusted up or down to duck the audio.

Hi Dexcon, I'm aware of the "insert volume envelope" to be set for the entire track but in other versions of Vegas we're able to click on the volume line and in a single event create the diamonds to adjust the volume.

I'm sure it must be a setting I have on my current project because when I open up an old project built in V20 and it opens in V21 I can still make the points. Here's a screen shot of the points I'm speaking of.

... but in other versions of Vegas we're able to click on the volume line and in a single event create the diamonds to adjust the volume

I've not seen that before in Vegas Pro versions 10-21 - it certainly doesn't work that way in Vegas Pro 20 build 411.

Perhaps you could upload a screenshot of the timeline in an older version of Vegas Pro showing the timeline with a single event with ducking applied within the event but without using an audio envelope. Maybe I've missed out on something really good over the last 14 years.

... but in other versions of Vegas we're able to click on the volume line and in a single event create the diamonds to adjust the volume

I've not seen that before in Vegas Pro versions 10-21 - it certainly doesn't work that way in Vegas Pro 20 build 411.

Perhaps you could upload a screenshot of the timeline in an older version of Vegas Pro showing the timeline with a single event with ducking applied within the event but without using an audio envelope. Maybe I've missed out on something really good over the last 14 years.

There's the screenshot on the above post. I just clicked on the event to make the points.

That's the audio envelope enabled by hitting keyboard 'V' thus creating the blue line - and yes, it does apply to the entire track, it's not just a feature of an individual audio event applying only to that individual audio event - your uploaded image clearly demonstrates that.

That's the audio envelope enabled by hitting keyboard 'V' thus creating the blue line - and yes, it does apply to the entire track, it's not just a feature of an individual audio event applying only to that individual audio event - your uploaded image clearly demonstrates that.

You are absolutely right. I've been working so many hours on one of our new PBS programs I think my brain has just reached its limit for a while for clear thinking. Thanks for your reply and sorry to take your time in something I should have realized. Again... good news is the new version of Vegas hasn't crashed in the build of my recent project.

I think Roger is referring to the action of setting a selection with the Volume line enabled. Then you can drag that audio line between the section and it will lower/raise the volume for the selection and crate the 4 diamond points. This does work in V20. I don't have 21. I can post a video if you need to see what I am talking about.

I think Roger is referring to the action of setting a selection with the Volume line enabled. Then you can drag that audio line between the section and it will lower/raise the volume for the selection and crate the 4 diamond points. This does work in V20. I don't have 21. I can post a video if you need to see what I am talking about.

You know.... it was just a matter of me going blank while working on the project and spending about 15 minutes trying to figure out something I already knew and used for years I blanked and posted on the forum.

@Roger Bansemer so it does work in V21 as well?

@Dexcon I think this is what Roger was talking about.

The 'select region', 'drag automation envelope' works in Vegas 21. I use this feature extensively.

I have not yet installed the new build 3 though.

Select region works fine on envelopes in vp21 build 300 as illustrated by @DMT3 . Behavior is controlled by this preference setting:

Note that the alignment setting also controls placement of multicam splits (selected by ctrl-leftclick)... I tend to switch the alignment back and forth depending on which I'm doing.

@Roger Bansemer Since you spent a long time in TV studios, you might find the Mixing Console a friendlier option to setting the points or selections individually.

Just ride board gains the old fashioned way during real time playback, and the automation sets the points for you. Then just go back through and tweak the timing and depth of the ducked sections.

Many thanks @DMT3 ... I didn't know about that neat feature. If I'm doing it right, the selected volume can be adjusted for the audio track for any length covered by the loop in/out markers no matter how many audio events are on the timeline within that loop region.

@Roger Bansemer Since you spent a long time in TV studios, you might find the Mixing Console a friendlier option to setting the points or selections individually.

Just ride board gains the old fashioned way during real time playback, and the automation sets the points for you. Then just go back through and tweak the timing and depth of the ducked sections.

I'm not sure if you were kidding with me but just by the seat of my pants I've produced 150 PBS television shows called "Painting and Travel with Roger and Sarah Bansemer" and never knew anything about producing a TV show before or had television studio experience. That's why I guess I've had so many questions over the years that might seem obvious to others on the forum as PBS is quite particular about the final product.

That's the audio envelope enabled by hitting keyboard 'V' thus creating the blue line - and yes, it does apply to the entire track, it's not just a feature of an individual audio event applying only to that individual audio event - your uploaded image clearly demonstrates that.

Didn't know about that short cut. Thanks for that tip.

Select region works fine on envelopes in vp21 build 300 as illustrated by @DMT3 . Behavior is controlled by this preference setting:

Note that the alignment setting also controls placement of multicam splits (selected by ctrl-leftclick)... I tend to switch the alignment back and forth depending on which I'm doing.

Hi Howard. Would you please explain what this does. I'm not understanding it. Thanks. Is this for audio?

The time selection envelope fade setting (as highlighted in red in the box) allows the length of the audio fades to be set in milliseconds. This setting determines the length of the in and out fades when using the ducking method that you were seeking in your original post. For instance, a 1,000 ms setting will mean that each in and out fade will be 1 second (one millisecond is 1,000th of a second). Thus you can decide the default length of the in and out fades that you want by coding this setting accordingly. If you want half second fades, then the setting would be 500 ms, quarter second fades would need a 250 ms setting, and so on.

Lot's of audio software has that "region select and adopt thing", also SoundForge has it.

I hope one day Vegas will show a kind of adaptive display for the wave-pattern, like in this movie (from an other editor I use a lot to clean up bad audio);

So when you make the volume / gain lower, the wave pattern adopts and even disappears.

It's just a dream, so I don't expect it to be happening (soon) 🙂

The event's waveform in Vegas lowers as the (pre-fader) gain (upper edge of the audio event) is dragged downward. The track volume and automation volume envelope does not change the waveform.

@Petersson Yes, I do like that visual feedback.

The event's waveform in Vegas lowers as the (pre-fader) gain (upper edge of the audio event) is dragged downward. The track volume and automation volume envelope does not change the waveform.

Yeah, I know and "maybe" that's how it "should" work?

I mean, gain is not the same as volume.

But when ducking, it can come in handy to have some visual feedback inside your timeline. Maybe as a preference; let volume behave like gain.

You can faux it by hitting SHIFT + ARROW UP / DOWN already.

Or something with color coding, were red means volume is higher and blue lowered.

It's just an idea.. don't take it too serious. But it can come in handy when doing a lot of editing / ducking.

Not that I have anything against adaptive waveforms... Audi TT, Gulf Coast or The Vineyard. But these are the things I miss the most: Multi-point Peak Selection and Go to Peak.