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relaxvideo wrote on 8/11/2022, 3:36 PM

And V19 is also way more laggy than my beloved V11 :(

#1 Ryzen 5-1600, 16GB DDR4, Nvidia 1660 Super, M2-SSD, Acer freesync monitor

#2 i7-2600, 32GB, Nvidia 1660Ti, SSD for system, M2-SSD for work, 2x4TB hdd, LG 3D monitor +3DTV +3D projectors

Win10 x64, Vegas22 latest

Former user wrote on 8/11/2022, 3:41 PM

@Sheriff-adeyemi You can post videos on here using the arrow button next to a smiley on a new comment, I opened that link you shared & it starts asking for stuff etc, I can't be bothered with that, closed it & a lot of people won't even bother clicking on the link, you're better off posting on here directly.

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 8/11/2022, 4:02 PM

jetdv wrote on 8/12/2022, 7:37 AM

Knowing the specs of your machine might help. I just did the moving you did in the left video and it follows the mouse instantly. No delay whatsoever.

Dexcon wrote on 8/12/2022, 7:47 AM

When using Vegas pro 20 there seems to be a bit of a GUI lag and it says not responding.

I've not had any problems like that with either Vegas Pro 19 or now 20; in fact, 20 seems a bit faster than 19.

And V19 is also way more laggy than my beloved V11

relaxvideo's signature shows that his CPU is an i7-2600 (maybe the signature info hasn't been updated) - which is from the VP11 era, so that is works well with VP11 is hardly surprising. 2nd gen Intel is way below the recommended specs for VP19/20 so, if that is indeed the CPU currently being used, it is hardly surprising that optimal performance is not being experienced.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2024.5, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 8/12/2022, 7:55 AM

When using Vegas pro 20 there seems to be a bit of a GUI lag and it says not responding.

I've not had any problems like that with either Vegas Pro 19 or now 20; in fact, 20 seems a bit faster than 19.

And V19 is also way more laggy than my beloved V11

relaxvideo's signature shows that his CPU is an i7-2600 (maybe the signature info hasn't been updated) - which is from the VP11 era, so that is works well with VP11 is hardly surprising. 2nd gen Intel is way below the recommended specs for VP19/20 so, if that is indeed the CPU currently being used, it is hardly surprising that optimal performance is not being experienced.

I don't have the latest top of the specs computer I'll probably have to get a new processor and graphics card the only thing that is new is the ssd and even the motherboard is disappointing as well

It's most likely hardware vp doesn't like but it not a big of an issue it's only whan u playing something and moving knobs that the lag happens

Dexcon wrote on 8/12/2022, 7:58 AM

... but it not a big of an issue it's only whan u playing something and moving knobs that the lag happens

Maybe it is an issue ... please don't discount that as a possibility.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2024.5, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 8/12/2022, 8:04 AM

... but it not a big of an issue it's only whan u playing something and moving knobs that the lag happens

Maybe it is an issue ... please don't discount that as a possibility.

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pierre-k wrote on 8/12/2022, 8:07 AM

Don't buy anything new for God's sake. It is absurd to spend senseless money because Vp20 does not manage to respond like 99% of other software.

You are not the only one who has a lag problem on Vp20 with an older processor. There is no revolutionary progress between Vp19 and Vp20, so there is no reason to buy 12 core processors to smoothly turn the knobs in Vp20.

Solution: Hang in there. They will fix it for sure.

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 8/12/2022, 8:14 AM

Don't buy anything new for God's sake. It is absurd to spend senseless money because Vp20 does not manage to respond like 99% of other software.

You are not the only one who has a lag problem on Vp20 with an older processor. There is no revolutionary progress between Vp19 and Vp20, so there is no reason to buy 12 core processors to smoothly turn the knobs in Vp20.

Solution: Hang in there. They will fix it for sure.

I sometimes use blender and Davinci resolve also wan to get into unreal engine that will take more processing power and having a better CPU for music production helps as well

pierre-k wrote on 8/12/2022, 8:22 AM

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-20-feedback--136686/#ca854194

pierre-k wrote on 8/12/2022, 8:33 AM

And V19 is also way more laggy than my beloved V11 :(

Yes. I agree. Vp11 was unique in Gui speed. I miss the quickness. The last fastest version in the entire release era.

Dexcon wrote on 8/12/2022, 8:56 AM

From memory, Vegas Pro 11 was probably the most complained about and unreliable VP version to date - as an example see https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-11-is-crash-happy--88894/?page=1

Again from memory, Vegas Pro 12 improved stability and reliability but also retained backward compatibility of .veg files to VP11; i.e. VP12 was a stability fix to VP11 without any new features which prevented backward compatibility to VP11. That was my experience at the time. For many at the time, VP11 was not a good experience.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 19.0.3, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2024.5, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 8/12/2022, 9:23 AM

From memory, Vegas Pro 11 was probably the most complained about and unreliable VP version to date - as an example see https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-11-is-crash-happy--88894/?page=1

Again from memory, Vegas Pro 12 improved stability and reliability but also retained backward compatibility of .veg files to VP11; i.e. VP12 was a stability fix to VP11 without any new features which prevented backward compatibility to VP11. That was my experience at the time. For many at the time, VP11 was not a good experience.

Thanks I have one more question whan using the DisplayPort on a monitor text and I can't stands to be small and blurry unless I use the hdm but wouldn't that be capped at 60hz

walter-i. wrote on 8/12/2022, 2:06 PM

From memory, Vegas Pro 11 was probably the most complained about and unreliable VP version to date -

This also corresponds to my memory, and Vegas Pro 12 was then much more stable.

pierre-k wrote on 8/12/2022, 2:13 PM

I was talking about the speed and responsiveness of the GUI. In this, Vp11 was unrivaled compared to other versions.

relaxvideo wrote on 8/12/2022, 3:22 PM

VP11 was the latest without the "freeze while cut with auto ripple on" bug :) Then V19, so i bought it. Yes, its a few steps forwards, but sadly also many steps backwards :(

#1 Ryzen 5-1600, 16GB DDR4, Nvidia 1660 Super, M2-SSD, Acer freesync monitor

#2 i7-2600, 32GB, Nvidia 1660Ti, SSD for system, M2-SSD for work, 2x4TB hdd, LG 3D monitor +3DTV +3D projectors

Win10 x64, Vegas22 latest

Seb-o wrote on 8/12/2022, 5:45 PM

@Sheriff-adeyemi @relaxvideo @pierre-k @Former user

There are some "difference makers" as far as playback speed. These "real world" tests focus on the Graphix Card, although CPU is fundamentally important as well. MY surmisal: The TItan cards, the higher end Quadros, the Nvidia 2080ti, and a few of the higher end (prosumer) range AMD Vega cards ARE worth investing in.
See Techgage benchmarks tests. ( upon this new release, THEY do promise a Vegas Pro 20 test, with updated hardware lists, coming soon). I don't think Vegas has changed much at all, ver. 18 till now as far as FPS speed potential Anyway, if you go to the 2080 ti (ti is important distinction for these numbers) level - Nvidia, you're probably good, and let's suppose some of the AMD newer offerings, The now a bit long in the tooth AMD Vega cards, especially 64 do extremely well and are somehow better suited to Vegas, IF that is your sole focus, if you'd be running other video programs, you'd probably be better with Nvidia.
This test is a couple years old now, and some will argue with the very idea, (as alwaus YMMV), but generally speaking, AMD has always been quirky in that it has just outperformed Nvdia with Vegas over the years. But again, you need to go to the higher RAM cards. If you could pick up a used Vega 64, probably a good purchase. According to what I've been reading here lately, (someone fill us all in here) the latest AMDs have seemingly anyway, disappointed some, especially with their supposed bang-for-the-buck potential....Let's suggest that the jury is still out on that topic. https://techgage.com/article/exploring-magix-vegas-pro-16-gpu-performance/

Seb-o wrote on 8/12/2022, 6:01 PM

Some more pertinent tests, scroll down to Vegas tests: https://techgage.com/article/rdna2-for-workstation-amd-radeon-pro-w6600-w6800-review/3/

fr0sty wrote on 8/12/2022, 6:34 PM

Our local benchmarks: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b3ggVifKsuT-cp2kQHjum_KnQ4-2jBmUIvzmu7BQZ34/edit#gid=699797034

 

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Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

relaxvideo wrote on 8/13/2022, 12:53 AM

Seb-o: thanks for the links! I cannot believe that my 1660Ti card perform soo poorly, compared to a 1080TI, which is 1.5x faster in general (games, cuda cores, power consumption, etc are all in 1.5-2x range). But here 1 fps versus17?! What's going on?

 

fr0sty: thanks for the link. However i'm mainly interested in timeline playback performance. Becasuse editing is many days, render just a few minutes/hours anyway :) Are such timeline benchmark project also exist with lot ot user feedbacks with different hardware components?

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#2 i7-2600, 32GB, Nvidia 1660Ti, SSD for system, M2-SSD for work, 2x4TB hdd, LG 3D monitor +3DTV +3D projectors

Win10 x64, Vegas22 latest

RogerS wrote on 8/13/2022, 3:21 AM

@relaxvideo The Vegas benchmark does include timeline playback (for a section of a project with lots of moving elements). The render times also depend in part on the GPU as it has to send the encoder data so you'll see the best GPUs and CPUs doing better here. See column Q.

TechGage hasn't been able to do recent meaningful tests of CPUs & GPUs in Vegas as:

We’ve been planning to write a dedicated performance article for VEGAS Pro 19 ever since its release, but each time we revisit, we seem to encounter odd performance scaling, or just odd behavior in general. This is the reason why there is no CPU+GPU test above; the end results are just unpredictable. Despite that, we plan to dig in again soon, and see if we can get to the bottom of the anomalies.

The MedianFx may not represent normal timeline playback, but it's one data point so treat it as such. Vegas has improved since the days of VP 16, especially with decoding. 18-20 seem similar though.

Seb-o wrote on 8/13/2022, 12:05 PM

@relaxvideo The Vegas benchmark does include timeline playback (for a section of a project with lots of moving elements). The render times also depend in part on the GPU as it has to send the encoder data so you'll see the best GPUs and CPUs doing better here. See column Q.

TechGage hasn't been able to do recent meaningful tests of CPUs & GPUs in Vegas as:

 

Well, Vegas playback is not fundamentally different, so the older tests (only a couple years) are still good, although some of the newer cards are not on that list. BUT, they do test the newer cards with Vegas in some of their other tests that are not just focused on Vegas. In any event, Techgage acknoledges that they are due for a V.20 test and I so believe that that will be forthcoming.

Sheriff-adeyemi wrote on 8/13/2022, 12:15 PM

@Sheriff-adeyemi @relaxvideo @pierre-k @Former user

There are some "difference makers" as far as playback speed. These "real world" tests focus on the Graphix Card, although CPU is fundamentally important as well. MY surmisal: The TItan cards, the higher end Quadros, the Nvidia 2080ti, and a few of the higher end (prosumer) range AMD Vega cards ARE worth investing in.
See Techgage benchmarks tests. ( upon this new release, THEY do promise a Vegas Pro 20 test, with updated hardware lists, coming soon). I don't think Vegas has changed much at all, ver. 18 till now as far as FPS speed potential Anyway, if you go to the 2080 ti (ti is important distinction for these numbers) level - Nvidia, you're probably good, and let's suppose some of the AMD newer offerings, The now a bit long in the tooth AMD Vega cards, especially 64 do extremely well and are somehow better suited to Vegas, IF that is your sole focus, if you'd be running other video programs, you'd probably be better with Nvidia.
This test is a couple years old now, and some will argue with the very idea, (as alwaus YMMV), but generally speaking, AMD has always been quirky in that it has just outperformed Nvdia with Vegas over the years. But again, you need to go to the higher RAM cards. If you could pick up a used Vega 64, probably a good purchase. According to what I've been reading here lately, (someone fill us all in here) the latest AMDs have seemingly anyway, disappointed some, especially with their supposed bang-for-the-buck potential....Let's suggest that the jury is still out on that topic. https://techgage.com/article/exploring-magix-vegas-pro-16-gpu-performance/

I'll have to save up for one of tho