HDV users: please read

ForumAdmin wrote on 7/2/2008, 12:22 PM

Greetings loyal users,

Some but not all of you have been running into problems with your HDV .m2t source material. For those with HDV .m2t problems, the symptoms typically are some combination of

a) black frames

b) red frames

c) Vegas instability

As we all know there are many types of HDV .m2t files, and the way the files are captured differs somewhat between capture apps. This makes testing and debugging pretty difficult as you can imagine.

However, rest assured we have been working hard on resolving the issues above, and we have a new HDV reader for Vegas Pro 8 in QA now which resolves these problems with all test media we have. This reader will be part of our forthcoming general Vegas 8.0c update. Before we release Vegas 8.0c to the public, we are interested in hearing your feedback on this new HDV reader, and would like your help testing it prior to the Vegas 8.0c update.

If you are interested in testing a pre-release version of this HDV reader, please fill out your system specs, update your contact info with an email address where we could reach you directly, and respond to this sticky thread that you would like to participate. We will post back here once the beta reader is available and provide download and installation instructions. Please do not try to get this via our Customer Service group or to contact us directly about this pre-release reader. This forum is the place for us all to communicate about it.

We look forward to working with you, we want to get this right for you, stay tuned and we'll make this available very soon.

cheers-

DH

SCS Dev

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Popoyl wrote on 7/3/2008, 8:28 AM

Great!
Please join me to the test.

2G wrote on 7/3/2008, 9:07 AM

PLEASE include me! I'm missing delivery dates due to this problem.

Thanks.

ForumAdmin wrote on 7/3/2008, 9:14 AM

Hi again-

It will be very very helpful to us if all of you fill out your system specs, as I asked.

If a group of people is having issues with a specific HDV variant and others are not, we would want to know things like the OS and processor type for instance, that is great info for us to have.

DH

Tom Pauncz wrote on 7/3/2008, 9:31 AM

Dave,
I'd like to opt in. I have an S270U and found red frames in a few .m2t files that were copied to computer via firewire off a CF card and then placed on the timeline. Scrubbing through them, VP8c crashed - for the first time.
Tom

edit: talk about intermittent - just repeated what I did. Opened folder with clips (on HDD), opened new project, dragged clips (140 of them) to project media and then while they were all selected, dragged them to timeline - NO RED FRAMES where I saw them before. Hmmmm.

Xander wrote on 7/3/2008, 9:39 AM

Think the system specs section in My Account need updating as there is no option for Vista. I run Vista 64 HP SP1 with 4GB RAM. I capture .m2t's using HDVSplit.

p@mast3rs wrote on 7/3/2008, 9:42 AM

Please add me to the list. Thank you.

teaktart wrote on 7/3/2008, 9:47 AM

Me too!
Eileen

Nx wrote on 7/3/2008, 10:16 AM

Please also add me to the list, I've had numerous problems with blackframes and sounddrop out...

Tks Nx

bruceo wrote on 7/3/2008, 10:51 AM

I have worked with at least 40 hours of new HDV material per month for the last 4 years and have worked on a multitude of differnt configurations with m2t problems always consistent across configurations as well as consistent with my peers who work on the same type of projects using Vegas. V8 is much more tolerant of m2t footage than V7, but has been terrible with m2t's from Sony's CF unit while premiere & FCP handles them without problem and any payer plays them without problem. Although up until now the fanboy ( I consider myself a Vegas fanboy...) community would act like there was no problem but I knew it would really become a big problem once more peope actually started doing serious volume on HDV in Vegas and especially solid state aquisition where there are many source clips.
Instead of asking for configurations why doesn't sony reply to the tech support inquiries and maybe have users send portable drives with projects so they can load em up and see for themselves that it is not a configuration issue but a decoder and frame buffer issue.

If Vegas cannot handle loading of many source clips (often 5-20 minutes project loadin time) and tolerance of HDV. with as fast as solid state will be penetrating the market, Vegas will be dead in less than 2 years for any serious work.

So i am glad to see that a new reader is in the works and that SCS has at least chimed in once on their own forum and hopefully we will see more interaction from the people that work on this potentially great software.

VidMus wrote on 7/3/2008, 11:11 AM

I would like to test it as well.

Note: I went to update my info and noticed that my current versions of Vegas and DVDA were not listed. I put the serial numbers in and all, got an email with a number to use and it failed of course.

So for whatever it is worth, my software is activated but is it registered? Heck if I know...

So I don't know if I qualify or not because of their screwed-up system.

As for HDV problems. They are so hit and miss that it may be difficult for me to accurately test. I am likley to get black frames if I use 'preview auto' but not likely if I use 'good auto'. That was reversed with the old system I had. Also with Vegas 8 I get areas of missing audio. If I close the project and then re-open it then the audio will be there.

I am using two Focus Enhancements FireStore FS-4's with two Sony HC1 cameras to record *.m2t files.

I do use a batch file to combine the *.m2t files into one file instead of having a bunch of short files but the problems I have with Vegas are there even if I do not combine them.

Average length of project is approx one hour. Projects are either a weekly Church service or twice a year it is the Childrens Performing Theatre which can be approx 1.5 hours.

Black frames were there quite often on the old system. My new and better built system with better ram and better timings have significantly reduced the black frame problems.

I don't know if I needed to leave all this here but I thought it might help.

Mikele wrote on 7/3/2008, 11:25 AM

I'm absolutely interest. Please add me to the testing list.
I have a great AVC-project (SR11), that will not render all the way through.

Thanks

MarkWWW wrote on 7/3/2008, 12:52 PM

Please add me to list too.

Many thanks

Mark

NickHope wrote on 7/3/2008, 1:10 PM

I'm wondering how soon "very soon" is. I've got to show my 45-minute .m2t-based project to around 30 people in about 10 hours from now, and deliver a bunch of DVDs in about 23 hours from now. The last time I did this a couple of weeks ago the project had a number of black-frame moments, which was embarrassing to say the least. So I could sure use this real soon.

Jonathan Neal wrote on 7/3/2008, 1:32 PM

I have an HV20 that was causing a lot of grief with Vegas Pro 8. I would be only more than happy to test this. Please add me to the list if there is still room!

Jonathan

tombu wrote on 7/4/2008, 12:59 AM

Same here - HV20 - HDVSplit Memory Problems - have to recapture all HDVSplit Data with Vegas :-(

jaegersing wrote on 7/4/2008, 8:02 AM

I'm using Edius for nearly all my HDV editing nowadays, due to Vegas stability problems I've encountered. I'd love to come back to Vegas and am happy to help test out a possible fix.

Richard

megabit wrote on 7/4/2008, 9:39 AM

Dear Admin,

Please include me in the testing.

Yours truly

Piotr

:) :)

malowz wrote on 7/4/2008, 11:27 AM

i filled the "System Information" page with the coputer specs, on my info the "sistem specs" are empty. where do i chance that?

shb wrote on 7/4/2008, 11:38 AM

Please add me to the list.
Thank you.

rmack350 wrote on 7/4/2008, 2:09 PM

I noticed a user at DV Info making reference to this question. I can't post there until they let me but thought I'd update this.

Although no one from SCS has spoken up, John Cline and Ed Troxel both assume that HDV Reader means something like a DLL to read HDV files. Sounds reasonable.

The reason I asked the question is that it seemed like people were making all sorts of assumptions about what an "HDV Reader" would fix, so I thought it'd be worthwhile to get a definition of what SCS means by the term.

Very curious to see how this plays out.

Rob Mack

kitzj0 wrote on 7/4/2008, 7:55 PM

Just a reminder...I checked to see if my system specs were listed and my specs were not even though I setup all that info in my account settings. You have to check the box which says show system specs. Dah.

john-beale wrote on 7/5/2008, 11:11 PM

> You have to check the box which says show system specs. Dah.

Ah, same thing happened to me. Specs were there, just not world-visible. Fixed now.

Christian de Godzinsky wrote on 7/7/2008, 5:31 AM

Hi,

For the rest of us - who have not had black frame problems - and probably only working (for now) with SD -some of you volunteer testers - please keep us posted about the progress - willy ya? Unless SCS forbids you to comment on the progress...

Many of us are - also because of other reasons - eagerly waiting for the 8.0c. The black frame problem seems to be one major reason why it's delayed.

Don't get me wrong. I fully support and accept the SCS's decision to hold back this release and get the black frame problem fixed for good. It deserves to be addressed once for all.

Has someone already been able to download the sw for testing? Has someone that volunteered already been contacted by SCS in this matter?

At least - please perform the testing fast - but thoroughly!!! And keep the rest of us posted meanwhile.

Personally I appreciate very much that SCS took this step and came publicly forward and asked for help here in the forum. As I always say, "please help us to help you - to help us..." That's what it is about anyhow... A working dialog...

Christian

PaulJG wrote on 7/7/2008, 5:46 AM

I have the same black and red frames and crashes. Of course this is with Vegas 8

A work around that may help is to open your file and "Select All" Copy and paste in Vegas 7. You will loose surround sound changes you made but it seems to run OK. It did keep my FX. I let the 12 min scene run on loop for about an hour and it did not crash. Later after I put my surround sound, volume etc back in I will try to render it.

Also, if you have problems capturing in Vegas 8, use Vegas 7. That seemed to work for me.

Canon XH-A1
24F HDV
Dual core
4 gigs ram
500+ NVIDIA video card

Update

Make sure you have the same setting i.e. surround sound when copying so it will copy back to Vegas 7

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