Moving multiple tracks from one group of tracks to another

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 2/27/2024, 1:15 PM

I understand moving laterally along time lines. I want to move vertically, like tracks 3-5 to tracks 7-9.

I group what I want to move, click on the group, and move my cursor down to where I want. But only the one clip I clicked moves and leaves the rest on the tracks they were on. In VPX this works but for some reason in Vegas it is highly resistant to moving groups of tracks vertically. Can someone give me a clue what to do. The tracks are one of mixed videos, one of talking, one of background sound.

Thank you

Douglas

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mark-y wrote on 2/27/2024, 1:31 PM

Select all of the events you wish to move.

Then press G.

Then drag them to their new place.

To Ungroup the events, press U.

Lot of answers can be found by using the Forum Search, or the many basic tutorials available to you.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/got-questions-consult-the-tutorials-first-please--120282/

jetdv wrote on 2/27/2024, 1:54 PM

It will actually work without the G and U. Just select and drag.

Robert Johnston wrote on 2/27/2024, 11:49 PM

If you want to move the tracks with all the events that are on those tracks, select the track headers by ctrl-clicking each one, then drag those to a new position.

You can also group tracks, and drag the group by the track group header to another position.

I see that the space for the track name doesn't show, you just have to double-click in the area where it is supposed to be to enter a track name.

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Douglas-McCarron wrote on 2/29/2024, 1:10 AM

None of these work, it just sits here and doesn't move between tracks.

RogerS wrote on 2/29/2024, 1:17 AM

Are they locked? Are they actually selected?

Are you trying to drag audio to video tracks or the opposite?

Maybe you need to record a video of what you are attempting.

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 2/29/2024, 11:09 AM

There are three tracks. On track 3 there is a combination of three mp4 videos spliced together to form a story line of about 5 minutes which are part of a larger story.

On track 4 is the audio for the video mentioned above

On track 5 is back ground for these 5 minutes.

I press the letter D which allows me to "grab" a group of objects and I grab the above.

I press the letter G to group them.

I press D to get back to the pointer setting or other times I leave it in the "grabbing" mode.

I have no idea how to lock anything but I have not done so, and as I can slide the above horizontally I am assuming they are not locked.

I can slide horizontally but I want to move the group vertically down to tracks 7-9. When I try to either it won't move even though I "pull down" for a few seconds or a few minutes, or it will move one of the video splices and leave everything else where they are on tracks 3-5. And sometimes suddenly the entire background becomes blue and then the project empties of any objects. No idea why the background turns blue or what that means.

mark-y wrote on 2/29/2024, 1:43 PM

Ok, looks like we need to go back to the beginning -- it may not be user related, from looking at your last description.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

jetdv wrote on 2/29/2024, 2:06 PM

Robert Johnston wrote on 2/29/2024, 2:33 PM

@Douglas-McCarron So you are aware, even though you group events together that are on different tracks, the events on each track still need to be selected in order to move them altogether to a different set of tracks. It's not the same as sliding the events horizontally where all the events that are grouped move together left or right. When you start dragging vertically, the tracks might separate, or all the events may even end up on the same track, depending on the situation. The events don't necessarily stay glued together like a solid block in the horizontal direction. Sometimes you need empty tracks to move to, new tracks aren't always created when you drag down at the bottom.

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mark-y wrote on 2/29/2024, 3:55 PM

It will actually work without the G and U. Just select and drag.

Understood. Just some added insurance against something getting moved around.

even though you group events together that are on different tracks, the events on each track still need to be selected in order to move them altogether to a different set of tracks.

You will know your events are correctly selected when the event borders are illuminated.

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/1/2024, 8:30 PM

Yes that is exactly what I do, and they don't move.

 

jetdv wrote on 3/2/2024, 8:11 AM

The video/audio track combination must match perfectly. In my case I had two video and one audio track moving to two video and one audio track. So make sure everything matches correctly. But, as you can see in my video, it *does* work... Otherwise, you'll need to show a video showing what you are seeing.

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/6/2024, 1:42 AM

What are you talking about, there is nothing to match? I am taking them from one set of tracks to another set. What is there to match? It is by itself.

RogerS wrote on 3/6/2024, 1:58 AM

The sets of tracks have to match (same # of video and audio).

EricLNZ wrote on 3/6/2024, 4:03 AM

Yes that is exactly what I do, and they don't move.

 

But in your video they do move? Or is there something I've missed?

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/7/2024, 1:06 AM

RogerS wrote on 3/5/2024, 11:58 PM

The sets of tracks have to match (same # of video and audio).

 

Yes that is what I do. Moving from tracks 4-6 (three tracks) down to three other tracks.

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/7/2024, 1:08 AM

EricLNZ. I press letter D and select them, then get back to normal pointer, or sometimes I try staying with the section pointer, but either way they don't move vertically.

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/7/2024, 1:13 AM

I don't mean to be catty but it is frustrating, I buy the program, download, install, and have lot of troubles. Lots of crashes, can move between tracks, the story board is constantly turning blue for reasons I don't know, things delete, very unstable. I have a 13 gen I-7 with 12 core, 32 GB memory, 4 nvme drive 2 TB each, so lots of power. I see a lot of videos of how to do things but for some reason it is a real pain in the butt to get anything done for me. And as I just install it and don't know much about the options I don't know how to make mistakes and mess things up. Frustrating. I was told this was the really pro software instead of VPX but for me it is a mess, and no idea why. I just want to add track, splice them as wanted, adjust the color and audio, and render. But I can spend hours having it crash and not do things, or hesitating like 3-4 minutes and then it will move an object. Got no viruses or anything like that. Don't know what to say.

 

Candive wrote on 3/7/2024, 3:27 AM

Hi @Douglas-McCarron

I too am a new user to Vegas Pro and my first post to this forum was the same as yours. Please read my post, it may help clarify things for you.

http://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-how-to-move-assets-to-a-new-track-newbie-question--144812/

I don't know if you are new to video editing or are coming from another video editor. I will assume the latter. In other video editors the video and audio are combined on a single track. Therefore the distinction between video and audio tracks is not an issue when moving video clips to different tracks unless one splits the audio from the video and places it on a different track.

Vegas Pro is a little different. The video and audio are grouped, but they are already on separate individual tracks. These tracks are distinct and not interchangeable. For example, you can not move a video clip to an audio track. In my post, Track 1 = video and Track 2 = audio. I wanted to move my video/audio clip to tracks 3 & 4. Therefore Track 3 has to be a video track and Track 4 has to be an audio track.

You asked "What are you talking about, there is nothing to match? I am taking them from on set of tracks to another set."

The answer to your question, using my simple example above is; the set of tracks have to match. Specifically;

Track 1 video = Track 3 video
Track 2 audio = Track 4 audio

You can determine what a track is defined as by looking at the colour bar for each track. Just below the track number is an icon. A "film strip" is a video track and a "music note" is an audio track.

In your example, you have items on tracks 3, 4, 5 and you want to move these items to tracks 7, 8, 9.

Track 3 = video
Track 4 = audio
Track 5 = video

To successfully move your items to tracks 7, 8, 9 they have to be in the same order. Specifically;

Track 7 = video
Track 8 = audio
Track 9 = video

Note the similarity of the two sets of tracks; video/audio/video.

So why does Vegas Pro work this way? It appears complicated and restrictive. Its all about efficiency and speed.  Experienced users can edit very quickly using this program as compared to other video editors. In this case, the audio is already on a separate track. You don't have to split the audio from the video. Its already done for you. That's the efficiency gain. And there are many more within Vegas Pro.

Us "newbies" are still learning the ropes and this new editing methodology can be initially frustrating but if you stick with it, you will eventually appreciate the efficiency gains. The members of this forum are very helpful and enthusiastic about their editor. Also there is a great library of video tutorials created by members to watch and learn.

If my explanation is still unclear then as a suggestion, please list the tracks in your project (video or audio) starting from Track 1 to 9. That way, we may be able to determine why you can not move items on tracks 3, 4, 5  to tracks 7, 8, 9.

(A note to experienced members; if any of my comments or assumptions are inaccurate, please correct me. I have only been using Vegas Pro for about a week)

 

jetdv wrote on 3/7/2024, 8:13 AM

Yes that is exactly what I do, and they don't move.

 

But in your video they do move? Or is there something I've missed?

@EricLNZ, that's MY video showing how it works.

@Douglas-McCarron, if you can't get it to work, you need to show exactly what you are doing so we can figure out why it's not working for you. Read Candive's post carefully as it explains it really well. The target tracks mush match the source tracks or they will not all move. In my example, I made sure my target tracks were all the same types in the same order as my source tracks.

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/7/2024, 11:00 PM

Hi @Douglas-McCarron

I too am a new user to Vegas Pro and my first post to this forum was the same as yours. Please read my post, it may help clarify things for you.

http://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-how-to-move-assets-to-a-new-track-newbie-question--144812/

I don't know if you are new to video editing or are coming from another video editor. I will assume the latter. In other video editors the video and audio are combined on a single track. Therefore the distinction between video and audio tracks is not an issue when moving video clips to different tracks unless one splits the audio from the video and places it on a different track.

Vegas Pro is a little different. The video and audio are grouped, but they are already on separate individual tracks. These tracks are distinct and not interchangeable. For example, you can not move a video clip to an audio track. In my post, Track 1 = video and Track 2 = audio. I wanted to move my video/audio clip to tracks 3 & 4. Therefore Track 3 has to be a video track and Track 4 has to be an audio track.

You asked "What are you talking about, there is nothing to match? I am taking them from on set of tracks to another set."

The answer to your question, using my simple example above is; the set of tracks have to match. Specifically;

Track 1 video = Track 3 video
Track 2 audio = Track 4 audio

You can determine what a track is defined as by looking at the colour bar for each track. Just below the track number is an icon. A "film strip" is a video track and a "music note" is an audio track.

In your example, you have items on tracks 3, 4, 5 and you want to move these items to tracks 7, 8, 9.

Track 3 = video
Track 4 = audio
Track 5 = video

To successfully move your items to tracks 7, 8, 9 they have to be in the same order. Specifically;

Track 7 = video
Track 8 = audio
Track 9 = video

Note the similarity of the two sets of tracks; video/audio/video.

So why does Vegas Pro work this way? It appears complicated and restrictive. Its all about efficiency and speed.  Experienced users can edit very quickly using this program as compared to other video editors. In this case, the audio is already on a separate track. You don't have to split the audio from the video. Its already done for you. That's the efficiency gain. And there are many more within Vegas Pro.

Us "newbies" are still learning the ropes and this new editing methodology can be initially frustrating but if you stick with it, you will eventually appreciate the efficiency gains. The members of this forum are very helpful and enthusiastic about their editor. Also there is a great library of video tutorials created by members to watch and learn.

If my explanation is still unclear then as a suggestion, please list the tracks in your project (video or audio) starting from Track 1 to 9. That way, we may be able to determine why you can not move items on tracks 3, 4, 5  to tracks 7, 8, 9.

(A note to experienced members; if any of my comments or assumptions are inaccurate, please correct me. I have only been using Vegas Pro for about a week)

That is what I am doing I think. I select 345 with the selector pointer (yes they are all highlighted), then try to drag them as a unit to 789. Works great in Video Pro X, doesn't seem to here, at least for me. It isn't like I am reordering the tracks or inverting them in anyway, I am simply grabbing them and then moving them as they are.

 

 

Douglas-McCarron wrote on 3/7/2024, 11:01 PM

If you are asking are the target tracks video audio audio like the source tracks, yes they are.

RogerS wrote on 3/8/2024, 1:39 AM

It's time to take out your phone and make a video (or use VEGAS capture if it works for you).

Candive wrote on 3/8/2024, 2:51 AM

@Douglas-McCarron

I suspect there is something peculiar with your project so I suggest we take a step back and work on "Proof of Concept."

Since you are already familiar with Video Pro X you should be able to follow the steps below quite easily. This test will prove that there is nothing wrong with your installation and that we are all on the same page.

  1. Create a new project (nothing on the timeline)
  2. Import a short video that contains sound into the project bin
  3. Drag this video clip onto the timeline.
  4. Two tracks will be created, the video sits on Track 1 and the audio sits on Track 2
  5. Left mouse click the video clip and drag it left and right horizontally.
  6. The audio should follow the video
  7. Hit Shift G (to group the clip for a vertical move)
  8. With the mouse, left click and drag the clip down
  9. Two tracks will be created; 3 & 4 and the video will be sitting on Track 3 and the audio Track 4
  10. Tracks 1 and 2 are now empty
  11. Left click and drag the clip up; back to Track 1
  12. Now the video is back on Track 1 and the audio is on Track 2 and Tracks 3 & 4 are empty.

If you can perform these steps successfully we have proven that there is nothing wrong with your installation and we all have the same understanding how Vegas Pro works to move clips to other tracks. We can then refocus on your project to determine what the problem is.

If you cannot perform any of the above steps or the outcome is different than what I have stated then we do have a problem.

Note; there are a number of ways other than "Shift G" to group the video & audio for a vertical move. You can left click on the video and shift left click on the audio before dragging down or you can use the Box selection tool do do the same thing. 

Let me know how you go. As "newbies" we are learning together.🙃

PS; if you are successful, which I think you will be, then the forum members need to see a video from your end to work out what's peculiar with your project. As @RogerS has suggested, you can capture your screen with your phone camera, Vegas capture, OBS etc.