Oh hmm, I need to rethink this then.. but when I was referring to "editing" it wasn't about fx, more about cutting out mistakes, and stuff that needs to be removed from the final video footage. It seems like it would be hard to do that after multicam editing because don't both tracks get combined into one? I've never really done this before so I'm not sure, but that's what I remember.

I messed with the multicam editing today and don't see any way how you can make regular edits, i.e., removing what doesn't belong in the video by splitting and sizing events. It seems like all that must be done before doing multicam cuts, mostly because of the audio track(s). Because when you're in multicam mode, the audio is left alone from what I can see.

I messed with the multicam editing today and don't see any way how you can make regular edits, i.e., removing what doesn't belong in the video by splitting and sizing events. It seems like all that must be done before doing multicam cuts, mostly because of the audio track(s). Because when you're in multicam mode, the audio is left alone from what I can see.

I use multicam a lot for music video. But are you talking about multicam for a documentary or interviews? I would frst sync up all the video tracks without cutting anything. Don't add fx or colour correction.

Then SAVE. Then go through the programme and use ripple edit . Cut out all the bits you don't want on ALL tracks at once. Then SAVE. Then select all the video tracks and create multicam track, then enable multicamera editing and switch between takes on the fly. SAVE. Then go into each clip and tody it up and finally make any colour correction/fx choices. Media fx will speed that up a lot. Eddie

@MikeLV After I come out of multicam edit mode I expand back to original tracks and group everything with the audio mix track so positions stay locked relative to one another. That allows camera-specific grading and tweaking the cuts. I prefer expansion that drops muted clips to reduce clutter. But that involves more work if cuts are crossfaded because the fades get dropped by Vegas and need to be recreated. I don't do any snipping until afterwards. Since my workflow is geared to concerts, I more commonly just mark off individual songs into regions and render them without any slice-ups using a region-only render script, adding a special video track and volume envelope to end songs with fade-outs. If I need more than individual songs, like rendering a complete concert or musical for a video or tv show, I render the complete project to an intermediate with a single audio and video track and slice that down, adding opening and credit screens. On rare occasions I might ripple-edit a song's content to fix something a musician is unhappy with. But I'm uncomfortable with the idea of changing or faking a live performance.

@Edward-Macarthur, what you describe is essentially what I said in my first post:

Me: Sync audio/video for each camera, and each timeline event, then group so I don't lose the sync.
You: I would frst sync up all the video tracks without cutting anything.

Me: Make whatever edits need to be made.
You: Then go through the programme and use ripple edit . Cut out all the bits you don't want on ALL tracks at once.

Me: Enable multicam mode to make the necessary cuts throughout the edited video
You: Then select all the video tracks and create multicam track, then enable multicamera editing and switch between takes on the fly.

So the 4th step I left out would be to then expand to multiple tracks, then do color correction and fx, titles, etc as necessary. Correct?

@Howard-Vigorita, I'm sorry, I'm just not following your explanation. I think you're way above my experience level as I was just trying to determine the high level workflow so I don't get into this and then have to redo because my workflow was wrong.

@Edward-Macarthur, what you describe is essentially what I said in my first post:

Me: Sync audio/video for each camera, and each timeline event, then group so I don't lose the sync.
You: I would frst sync up all the video tracks without cutting anything.

Me: Make whatever edits need to be made.
You: Then go through the programme and use ripple edit . Cut out all the bits you don't want on ALL tracks at once.

Me: Enable multicam mode to make the necessary cuts throughout the edited video
You: Then select all the video tracks and create multicam track, then enable multicamera editing and switch between takes on the fly.

So the 4th step I left out would be to then expand to multiple tracks, then do color correction and fx, titles, etc as necessary. Correct?

@Howard-Vigorita, I'm sorry, I'm just not following your explanation. I think you're way above my experience level as I was just trying to determine the high level workflow so I don't get into this and then have to redo because my workflow was wrong.

Yes. It takes a while to get used to. And make sure to create Proxy files if working in 4k with lots of angles. I find I can't do more than about 6 without proxy files, even with a good cpu and gpu

I just made a copy of my project and attempted to follow my workflow on a section and discovered that it won't actually work because edits themselves, i.e. splitting an event, and resizing it to remove an error, then cross fading one event into the next, are lost when you go into multicam mode, make camera cuts, and then expand back out to multiple tracks. The cross fade I previously placed is gone, and I have to resize the event again to re-create it, so that's double work.

This is unbelievable. I posted about this very issue back in 2012. Just reread the whole thread:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/how-to-make-edits-in-multicamera-shoot--91626/?page=1

I understand now that edits have to be made after multicam cuts are done. But just like then, now I'm still seeing that event grouping (i.e. the group I created after syncing both cameras) is lost whether looking at the multicamera track, or after expanding to multiple tracks. I make the split at the error point, and it splits all the tracks as if they're still grouped, but then when I go to resize the event (group), the only event that drags with the mouse is the video track's event I've clicked on, and the previously grouped audio tracks are ignored. What the heck am I doing wrong? Here you can see where I dragged the video to size it, and expecting the previously grouped audio tracks to go with it, but they didn't, which means the grouping was lost after multicamera cuts. So that means I have to re-group all the events?

This is unbelievable. I posted about this very issue back in 2012. Just reread the whole thread:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/how-to-make-edits-in-multicamera-shoot--91626/?page=1

I understand now that edits have to be made after multicam cuts are done. But just like then, now I'm still seeing that event grouping (i.e. the group I created after syncing both cameras) is lost whether looking at the multicamera track, or after expanding to multiple tracks. I make the split at the error point, and it splits all the tracks as if they're still grouped, but then when I go to resize the event (group), the only event that drags with the mouse is the video track's event I've clicked on, and the previously grouped audio tracks are ignored. What the heck am I doing wrong? Here you can see where I dragged the video to size it, and expecting the previously grouped audio tracks to go with it, but they didn't, which means the grouping was lost after multicamera cuts. So that means I have to re-group all the events?

Don't group the events. Sync them as we described above and just make sure you don't move any tracks. Don't do ANY fx or fades. Why not try with a basic test project first to get used to it before attempting a real job. Good luck. Remember what I said about proxy files. Essential if editing lots of cameras at 4k.

For cameras to be in sync, don't they have to be grouped after aligning the events to be in sync? I am working on a test project, well it's footage from the real project, but just one event in a test project file so I can get the hang of this. Are you saying that I should just align the events, and then move immediately to multicam without creating a group? Then after multicam cuts are done is when I should create a group? This is just two HD cameras and two audio tracks, no 4K stuff.

I don't group anything at all unless I'm concerned that I need to move them in the timeline as a group, in situations where Ripple wouldn't apply.

1. We drop our cameras onto tracks
2. We align via audio peaks, using PluralEyes then tweaking as needed
3. We time-stretch our field audio recorder audio if needed to it matches beginning and end of acts
4. We enable multi-cam edit, which puts all cameras as takes on a single track. You can cut spaces as needed, and with Ripple turned on everything moves together. (just make sure if you want other audio tracks to move, that any cuts affect events on all the tracks, not just the MC video track)

If you want to see the result of disolves while MC is enabled, preview full-screen on another monitor and it'll happen real-time.

We color grade and apply other effects after that main edit.
1. Main MC edit. Place markers and regions if you need to revisit spots.
2. Tweak the edit, including adding PIPs if needed
3. We take a pass at audio during final review, grading and FX are added. This takes time doing together but I don't like multiple extra passes

:)

Ripple is useless unless everything is grouped, because only one event will trimmed and the rest will jump backwards while retaining their length. If my project has two video tracks and two audio tracks, then they have to be grouped or everything gets out of sync. If I understand correctly though, the grouping shouldn't be done until after the multicam cuts are made, and after I expand it back out to multiple tracks?

After doing the multicam cuts, I expanded to multiple tracks, then I grouped everything. Then I made a split at the "edit here" marker. Then I dragged the event group after the split, and I started seeing this red indicator at each of the next cut locations. What is that about?

Then I turned ripple off and tried to drag the group to the left and look what it did. It moved the 4 tracks together, but for some reason it didn't include the next cut event. This is unexpected as I grouped ALL events on this timeline:

I can't believe I've spent the better part of a day on trying to learn this. I sent a support ticket to Magix; not sure how their support is because I always get problems resolved here on the forum, or youtube, but I guess I'll find out soon enough.

You can cut spaces as needed, and with Ripple turned on everything moves together. (just make sure if you want other audio tracks to move, that any cuts affect events on all the tracks, not just the MC video track)

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns, this doesn't seem to be true. I did exactly what you said (created the multicamera track, enabled ripple edit) Then I made a split where an edit is needed. Then I grabbed the edge of the multicamera track and dragged it to the right. As you can see only the video track moved. The audio is left alone. When I let go, the ripple happens and all 3 tracks are moved to the left so that the video event abuts the previous one, and the audio also moves back and ends up cross fading with the previous audio event.

I suppose the above happens because I didn't "make sure if you want other audio tracks to move, that any cuts affect events on all the tracks, not just the MC video track"

How do I make sure of that because I thought multicam cuts only affect the video tracks, i.e. I don't want the cuts to include audio track changes too.

The only thing I have found that works all day in this experiment is to put a split where the edit is to be (after expanding to multiple tracks) and then creating a new group of all events to the right of the cursor. Then I can drag one event and it moves them all in unison. I seem to have to do this every time I need to split and trim where an edit needs to be made. Doesn't make sense.

You can cut spaces as needed, and with Ripple turned on everything moves together. (just make sure if you want other audio tracks to move, that any cuts affect events on all the tracks, not just the MC video track)

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns, this doesn't seem to be true. I did exactly what you said (created the multicamera track, enabled ripple edit) Then I made a split where an edit is needed. Then I grabbed the edge of the multicamera track and dragged it to the right. As you can see only the video track moved. The audio is left alone. When I let go, the ripple happens and all 3 tracks are moved to the left so that the video event abuts the previous one, and the audio also moves back and ends up cross fading with the previous audio event.

I suppose the above happens because I didn't "make sure if you want other audio tracks to move, that any cuts affect events on all the tracks, not just the MC video track"

How do I make sure of that because I thought multicam cuts only affect the video tracks, i.e. I don't want the cuts to include audio track changes too.

The only thing I have found that works all day in this experiment is to put a split where the edit is to be (after expanding to multiple tracks) and then creating a new group of all events to the right of the cursor. Then I can drag one event and it moves them all in unison. I seem to have to do this every time I need to split and trim where an edit needs to be made. Doesn't make sense.

By grabbing that edge, you weren't moving the event -- you were resizing the event. When you resize the event using that method, when you let go (and ripple is on) indeed it will shift everything to the left to fill that gap.

If you wanted to MOVE that event and everything else to the right, just left-click the event itself and drag it.

Of course, be mindful that your Ripple Mode is set to "all tracks" and not just the affected one :-)

No, I wanted to resize the event for the purpose of trimming it, i.e. editing. And I'm saying the only way that works is if I group all of the events following the split, every time I need to make an edit.