MULTIPLE CRASHING AND BUGS WITH Vegas 18 BUILD 373

brenda-oBB wrote on 11/20/2020, 11:31 AM

Since I bought Vegas 15, I have had endless crashes, bugs, of every kind. I went to an AMD (from Intel) build and I noted "less". But still present. I always use Nvidia cards.
Laptop is Intel I7 7700, 32GB ram, M.2 Samsung SSD + Samsung SSHD. G Force 1060
Vegas 18 373 seemed to work well - for one hour. Then it began, thick and fast. Rendering crashes. In fact, crashes of EVERY kind. From just dropping an image into the time line to strange "double clicks" (which I never did)...on the time line. Every few minutes the video preview will go red. I save and close - it opens ok. Then it starts again when I alter the video time line. Continuous crashing - and it will not even give me the option to send a crash report.
Right now Vegas is sucking %17 of the CPU continuously despite it just sitting their. The fan is whirring - this is "new". It always settles and goes quiet once I stop fiddling with the timeline and leave it idle. Now it's continuous.
I have the latest Windows 10 updates and driver updates.
I note that rendering crashes and freezing ALWAYS occur on downloaded you tube video. ALWAYS. I have never had a crash with my own low and high res footage while rendering.
There appears no pattern. Except that the bigger the project - the more it crashes. But now with Build 373, it's crashing almost instantly just by adding video to the time line.
When I updated to the fastest Samsung M.2 and SSHD I noted a week of seemingly "ok" use. Crashes went way down...and then...bizarrely...started again.
I suspect all this "may" be the laptop. There is something wrong with it. But...it also did it on my old AMD 3700 with GE Force 1060 desktop.
Like I said...there is NO PATTERN. Except...one week of nice use when I upgraded the storage to the fastest I could get.
I've done everything...switched off the gpu blah blah blah...messed with plug in's...blah blah blah...messed with memory cache...this is not my first rodeo.
I am making one last attempt to keep Vegas before I drop Vegas and move to Apple with their amazing M1. I DREAD the move. But I cant go on with this anymore - three years of editing hell.
I have an Eluktronics AMD 4800H with GE Force 2060 on the way. If the extra power and hardware integration does not cease this crashing, then I am done with Vegas.
I hope this is a VERY BAD series of bad luck with regards hardware.
I will let you know what happens as to leave Vegas is like leaving an old girlfriend and all the familiarity. But 6 months of pain into crash free editing will be bliss.
I am hopeful increased general and specific processing power will fix this. If not...there is something very, very, very wrong with Vegas.

MAJOR EDIT - I also note this crappy I7 7700 dog of a cpu is getting slower and slower with every Windows update. The I7 range from 2017-2018 were notorious for "flaws" (backdoors) and have suffered greatly with "bug fixes" - Meltdown Spectre etc. I used to get %80-%90 CPU usage and 60-80fps constant rendering HD 4000kb/s end product. I now get 40fps. THIS may have something to do with it. Maybe.

If there is something specific you can suggest, please do. I'm at my wits end.

Regards.

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RogerS wrote on 12/3/2020, 6:28 PM

If I can give one piece of advice it is not to upgrade hardware for stability. You don't need to do that and it probably won't work based on people's posts about upgrading ram and GPUs. I'm also on a i7-7700 laptop with GTX 1050, which is powerful enough. I've got dual SSDs, so similar to you. If your laptop is heating up and throttling (CPU speed drops), that can reduce performance and even lag Vegas to the point that it hangs. I use free software "Throttlestop" to undervolt the CPU and make this far less likely.

As I think you're discovering the issue is more the interaction of certain media and Vegas.

For VP 15 I also had to turn dynamic ram preview to 0 and sometimes disable GPU preview acceleration to get renders to work right. Doing that I eventually did get it to render out a 2hr project (video + photo slides) after many many failures. That's the only version of Vegas I had a lot of trouble with and it was only stable for me in its last update. VP 16-18 have been better.

brenda-oBB wrote on 12/4/2020, 11:31 AM

You rendered a 20 second piece of footage.

I rendered much more without a problem. On my renderdestination I have more than 100 GB available and you have?
On your renderdestination you need twice the space needed for the render amount.

Much more? What magic did you use to render "much more" when all I sent was an 8MB 15 second section of the main file?

I have 400GB on one M2.SSD partition.

Like I said, it rendered after 12 hours of messing around by simple changing VBR to CBR - bit rate. A glitch to be sure. AND...out of the blue...not a single crash in 4 hours. Not one.

I see there is a second page. Many thanks...I'll look.

brenda-oBB wrote on 12/4/2020, 11:41 AM

If I can give one piece of advice it is not to upgrade hardware for stability. You don't need to do that and it probably won't work based on people's posts about upgrading ram and GPUs. I'm also on a i7-7700 laptop with GTX 1050, which is powerful enough. I've got dual SSDs, so similar to you. If your laptop is heating up and throttling (CPU speed drops), that can reduce performance and even lag Vegas to the point that it hangs. I use free software "Throttlestop" to undervolt the CPU and make this far less likely.

As I think you're discovering the issue is more the interaction of certain media and Vegas.

For VP 15 I also had to turn dynamic ram preview to 0 and sometimes disable GPU preview acceleration to get renders to work right. Doing that I eventually did get it to render out a 2hr project (video + photo slides) after many many failures. That's the only version of Vegas I had a lot of trouble with and it was only stable for me in its last update. VP 16-18 have been better.

Bizarrely, I changed VBR to CBR and it rendered. This morning...the elves must have been in...because after 4 hours on a reasonably complex timeline (same as before), it has not crashed once.

I bought this laptop in Kuala Lumpur. It has caused me many strange problems from the moment I switched it on. I have to remove the wireless card. I had unheard of stuff appearing in my "devices"...

I have worked in Iran and Lebanon.

They named this NSA malware after me...

I've interacted with high level Intelligence. I had stoushes with Defense Signals Directorate (now Australian Signals Directorate).

I considered some sort of hacking. Which would cease two weeks a year and over Easter - so I guess it was Catholics in KL... :-) The crashes generally on the laptop were endless. All recorded.

I bought an AMD 3700 and it was definitely much more stable - maybe fewer Intel backdoors (flaws) in AMD. But still crashed.

Now, this morning. Quiet as a mouse. Fans quiet. Vegas is running flawlessly. :-I

I am highly suspicious of hacking of some kind. Hardware level Christopher Domas "God Mode Unlocked" stuff. Israel manufactures the Intel chips and sends "special" ones to Saudi, UAE and Malaysia - who prior to recent developments were mortal insulting enemies.

I have done everything on Vegas. I use %10 of it's power. To change App's is depressing. But there is something wrong that is not "normal"...outside God like sun spot activity.

Many thanks.

j-v wrote on 12/4/2020, 12:12 PM

Much more? What magic did you use to render "much more" when all I sent was an 8MB 15 second section of the main file?

I filled your projectfile with 4K AVC files of myself and in your project with your rendersettings those are rendered to your your goal.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 12/4/2020, 1:38 PM

@brenda-oBB I copied the one mp4 clip you supplied from your v18 project into v16 together with its pan/crop, saved it as a v16 project with matching HD 29.97p, then test played and rendered it with v16, 17, and 18 (all latest builds)... clip was an unusual frame size and aspect ratio but posed no issues at all on various systems of mine with different amd and nvidia boards. I'm guessing the issue you have relates either to local config or perhaps to one or more of the missing "m4v" clips in your project.

brenda-oBB wrote on 12/4/2020, 3:17 PM

Well...here is something absolutely crazy...

I took to heart one of the replies about "voltage regulation". It then occurred to me I was not plugged into a voltage regulated power board...and I had two. I plugged it in...and...it rendered perfectly on multiple runs different formats. Non GPU and with GPU.

Now what the hell?

I will keep experimenting. If this solves the problem...not only will I cry...I will send a card of apology to Magix Vegas for all the cursing I have done at them.

But then...I've been happy for 5 minutes before.

I will let you know. I think it is very important.

Many thanks for everyone's input.

brenda-oBB wrote on 12/4/2020, 6:33 PM

NO - BACK TO CRASHING AS PER NORMAL - RENDERING

However, it does not crash adding to the time line - not once.

brenda-oBB wrote on 12/4/2020, 6:34 PM

If I can give one piece of advice it is not to upgrade hardware for stability. You don't need to do that and it probably won't work based on people's posts about upgrading ram and GPUs. I'm also on a i7-7700 laptop with GTX 1050, which is powerful enough. I've got dual SSDs, so similar to you. If your laptop is heating up and throttling (CPU speed drops), that can reduce performance and even lag Vegas to the point that it hangs. I use free software "Throttlestop" to undervolt the CPU and make this far less likely.

As I think you're discovering the issue is more the interaction of certain media and Vegas.

For VP 15 I also had to turn dynamic ram preview to 0 and sometimes disable GPU preview acceleration to get renders to work right. Doing that I eventually did get it to render out a 2hr project (video + photo slides) after many many failures. That's the only version of Vegas I had a lot of trouble with and it was only stable for me in its last update. VP 16-18 have been better.

Its the most bizarre set of symptoms I have ever seen. Nothing else compares on this forum.

RogerS wrote on 12/4/2020, 8:20 PM

If you are also having such issues with Windows and the system overall, perhaps do a fresh install of Windows 10, and run some diagnostic tests to make sure there are no faulty components.

Is the system heating up during long renders? Check with apps from your OEM or try Throttlestop or another third-party app to see what it's doing and how hot it is getting during renders. Physically unscrew the bottom cover and clean dust out of the area where the fans are.

Then give a render a try with GPU preview off, dynamic ram preview set to zero and see if it works.

brenda-oBB wrote on 12/28/2020, 8:54 AM

If you are also having such issues with Windows and the system overall, perhaps do a fresh install of Windows 10, and run some diagnostic tests to make sure there are no faulty components.

Is the system heating up during long renders? Check with apps from your OEM or try Throttlestop or another third-party app to see what it's doing and how hot it is getting during renders. Physically unscrew the bottom cover and clean dust out of the area where the fans are.

Then give a render a try with GPU preview off, dynamic ram preview set to zero and see if it works.

I did the opencl/FALSE thing and it worked wonders for 4 weeks....now the crashing has returned. I have no idea except that it might be hacking. I have been a target for a long time. Worked in Iran and Lebanon. Made known Israels "technology juggernaught" status that few knew of including Unit 8200 and Talpiot Programs. SO I figure solar winds....or Israel. Accross multiple laptops, Vegas versions and desktops. And now it is back.

many thanks.

diverG wrote on 1/2/2021, 3:59 PM

Your sample project stable on my laptop VP18. You seem concerned with hacking. What AV are you using. Maybe exclude Vegas Pro 18.0 and your media folder from AV as a test measure.

Bizarre:

Mainpc (Sys1) render fails at 17%. Your timeline but with much media offline.

Copy timeline media from VP18 org to VP17. No problem with render.

Copy timeline media from VP17 to new VP18. No problem with render.

Copy timeline media from VP18 org to new VP18. No problem with render.

brenda-oBB wrote on 2/20/2021, 6:02 PM

Your sample project stable on my laptop VP18. You seem concerned with hacking. What AV are you using. Maybe exclude Vegas Pro 18.0 and your media folder from AV as a test measure.

Bizarre:

Mainpc (Sys1) render fails at 17%. Your timeline but with much media offline.

Copy timeline media from VP18 org to VP17. No problem with render.

Copy timeline media from VP17 to new VP18. No problem with render.

Copy timeline media from VP18 org to new VP18. No problem with render.

It worked spontaneously. Seemed to settle. I have n oidea. None. It is totally bizarre.

brenda-oBB wrote on 2/20/2021, 6:07 PM

A Windows update caused Vegas to become more stable. I have had never ending problems. Solve one, another pops up. I have come to the conclusion it is targeted harassment. I have worked in iran and Lebanon and focus on Israeli cyber domination in my videos.

I now have an AMD 3950X. It renders at 10-30fps. No, you read that right. 10=30fps. Every other video and test bed app works like a rocket. But Vegas is a joke. The only rational explanation is hacking/harassment. I am sending my laptop and 5 years of O.S images to Citizen Lab. The NSA Malware IRATEMONK was named after me.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/01/iratemonk_nsa_e.html

I just sit here dumb founded sometimes.

fr0sty wrote on 2/20/2021, 9:12 PM

That sounds pretty bad. My system is weaker and renders much faster. Shame... sounds like you need to reach out to those governments and ask them to stop.

brenda-oBB wrote on 2/21/2021, 10:42 AM

If I can give one piece of advice it is not to upgrade hardware for stability. You don't need to do that and it probably won't work based on people's posts about upgrading ram and GPUs. I'm also on a i7-7700 laptop with GTX 1050, which is powerful enough. I've got dual SSDs, so similar to you. If your laptop is heating up and throttling (CPU speed drops), that can reduce performance and even lag Vegas to the point that it hangs. I use free software "Throttlestop" to undervolt the CPU and make this far less likely.

As I think you're discovering the issue is more the interaction of certain media and Vegas.

For VP 15 I also had to turn dynamic ram preview to 0 and sometimes disable GPU preview acceleration to get renders to work right. Doing that I eventually did get it to render out a 2hr project (video + photo slides) after many many failures. That's the only version of Vegas I had a lot of trouble with and it was only stable for me in its last update. VP 16-18 have been better.

You were right. 3950X. 64GB ram. 10fps on Vegas official test bench. Words escape me. Lucky I am not a professional business as I would be %100 bankrupt.