My last shot with VP12

Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 3:17 PM
Check my spec for the other details....

I am giving VP12 one last shot. My plan here is to:

1. Reformat C: drive
2. Re-install MS Windows 7 with all the recommended updates
3. Install latest video driver
4. Install Sony Vegas Pro 12
4a. Test
5. Install NewBlue Titler Pro V1
5a. Test
6. Install NewBlue Video Essentials II
6a. Test
7. Install Boris BCC 8.1
7a. Test
8. Continue to install other applications and after each application install run Vegas through a battery of tests. ( i.e. timeline playback, rendering, 3rd party Plugins functionality, etc.) and log my findings in this thread.5.

Note: If there were lemon laws for software.... Sony Creative Software would be out of business!

Ok here we go..... I am inputing this via my MAC, because my PC is now unavailable.

Sunday 2/24/13

- I have completely reformatted my drive.

- I have re-installed Windows and installed the 5 zillion updates. To include
Service pack 1 and I.E. 9 browser.
Note: I am under the impression that all the recommended updates are safe for
sony Vegas, if not then it sounds like someone at Sony needs to do their
homework... How am I supposed to know?

- Reboot

- Installed the latest video driver for my NVidia GTX 460 video card. V314.07

- Reboot

- Sony Vegas is installed. BUILD x486

- Battery Tests...
- No EULA window issue, I was having the annoying pop-up on prior installs.
So, something in my choice of applications is causing that.
- One of movie clips I am using as a test is a .MOV file so I need to install

- Closing Sony Vegas

- Installing Quicktime as recommended by Sony Vegas. V7.73.80.64

- Reboot

-Resuming Battery test
- Timeline playback, 1920x1080 .mov layer, animated background, a text overlay @ Full Preview setting - Passed
- Render MP4 - 1920x1080 60i, 25second clip in 2:20min, acceptable for .mp4.
- 3rd party FX not installed yet

- Installed NewBlue TitlePro that comes VP12. V 12105.exe
( I read somewhere that V 12106 might be the latest version, I'll check later)



Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 3:42 PM

- Installed New Blue Titler Pro 1


- Playback - Good
- Render - Good
-then added - Layer with New Blue FX title
- Playback - Good
- Render - Good

- Canceling installing NewBlue FX Essentials, don't really need them yet.

- Installing BCC 8.1

To Be Continued
videoITguy wrote on 2/24/2013, 4:03 PM
keep it up
Grazie wrote on 2/24/2013, 4:15 PM
Keep going! . . .


Colin Basterfield wrote on 2/24/2013, 4:24 PM
So sorry to hear of your dilemmas, but like the guys say, keep it up. It would be such a shame to give up now, when I still, despite some of the crashes I've had, think that Sony Vegas Pro does an awful lot very very well.

Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 5:06 PM
Don't get wrong.... I truly want to suspect my current "old" configuration. So this is why I am trying to eliminate every variable.

Here's a list of all the software I plan to install on this system. I have several systems but I have to have what I need on this PC to make my work flow efficient.

- DVD A 6.0
- Adobe Photoshop CS4
- Adobe Illustrator CS4
- Adobe Fireworks
- Pro Gold 5.0 ( Slideshow Generator)
- MS Office 2010 ( to include MS Publisher and MS Visio)
- OJO Soft Codec Converter
- The Juicer from Digital Juice ( Resource Hog, but I gotta have it)

I think that's it.... does anyone see a potential problem with any of these applications?

Oh.... and thank you for the encouragement... I'll need it.

Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 5:09 PM
Installing Boris BCC 8.1.......

- Installed

- Rebooting

- Test

- Playback - Good
- Rendering - Good
- With Boris FX in effect -
- Playback - Good, kinda of chunky but bearable...
- Render - Good,

Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 5:35 PM
How do you get that dual screen look that you see in the promos?

I haven't had much time with VP 12 seeing how I could n't run until just recently. ;-)
videoITguy wrote on 2/24/2013, 5:46 PM
HOLD ON! DO NOT install DVDArchPro 6.0 -it is defective...only 5.0b or 5.2 are valid options.

Hold OFF the OJO converter if you can at least till everything else works.
Barry W. Hull wrote on 2/24/2013, 6:47 PM
Here is something you might want to consider, and before I tell you, realize that I know enough to know I don't know what I'm talking about, nevertheless...

I have had several versions of Vegas, for several years, all working great, until a couple of months ago, out of the blue, stopped working, period, all of the usual gripes, but bottom line, v486 would not function, at all.

The problem was so bad that I paid for technical support, but unfortunately, even with some clearly very smart people, the problem was unsolvable, so out of desperation, I asked tech support if I could roll back to v394, they said give it a shot, thank goodness, it worked.

We did all sorts of trouble shooting, one of the issues that I believe tech support thinks might be causing an issue are the .net files, because one of the trouble shooting steps was to uninstall them when doing a total complete uninstall of Vegas, not simply the normal uninstall within the Control Panel.

Anyway, I bought a new computer and son of a gun, SAME problem with v486, would NOT work. Well, a few minutes ago, just for grins, I restored to a previous state, to a state before Windows Update had updated the .net files. I then upgraded to v486, and then let Windows upgrade the latest .net, the restore had rolled them back, hope that makes sense.

Voila, for the first time in a long time, v486 seems to be working AOK. I've only had it working for about an hour, but I have clicked and clicked, dragged and dropped, rendered short files, Boris BCC8, titles, Beauty Box, Chroma key, etc., seems to be working.

My point is, if I was a betting man, I think somewhere in the .net area there might be some sort of conflict within Vegas. You might try repairing the .net files, rolling them back, then updating them, see if it works for you, seems to have worked for me.

Of course, in another hour I might post one of those ****** messages because the sailor in me violated the forum speech rules because v486 crashes into another fiery ball, but right now, it's working. I don't know what .net does, but fiddling with it has been the only thing I can point at that seems to work.

One of you geek extraordinaires can explain .net if you like, but it seems to have cured the bug, of course, could be something else, but this sequence of steps worked.

I think I'll have the wife make me a cocktail while I'm still in a good mood.
Kit wrote on 2/24/2013, 7:08 PM
The Windows Secrets Newsletter basically says avoid Net Patches as long as possible as they are well known for causing trouble. I haven't found problems with them but I don't use Vegas much. I would always make a system image before installing Net Patches and always install them separately to make undoing the change as easy as possible. And after installing a Net patch test all your important programs.
Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 7:47 PM
Installing Adobe CS4 Photoshop, Illustrator, and Fireworks.

- Reboot

- Test
- Playback - Good
- Render - Good

I'm starting to feel pretty good about this. I still have VP10 waiting in the wing though.....
Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 7:52 PM
Regarding .net where are you at? Can you say what versions? Only today have I started, I had windows do it's business, then installed Vegas. Windows did want to install some more updates, unknowingly not looking for .net specific updates. So, know I'm sketchy about it.
If I could confirm the rolling back steps again I got confused there... sorry.

Where should be to be in the same boat your'e in?

Thanks for the tip.... Barry
Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 7:54 PM
Thank you for that... VideoITGuy
Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 8:13 PM
My .net files read..... security update for MS.Net framework 3.5.1. There's 6 of them.

Another point to note is that by default Windows wants to download and install the updates.... at least on mine it is.... my install is like 3 hours old so I'm assuming it's a default setting. I changed the setting to prompt me to download and to install.
Barry W. Hull wrote on 2/24/2013, 9:18 PM
I am not sure what version the .net files rolled back to when I did the restore, but obviously it was an older version because Microsoft Update, within a few minutes of rebooting, indicated that there was an important .net update available, so I installed the update.

I only see two .net instances:

Microsoft .net Framework 4 Client Profile version 4.0.30319
Microsoft .net Framework 4 Extended version 4.0.30319

As a point of reference, during the troubleshooting with tech support, they had me uninstall both of these. Of course when I rebooted Microsoft Update indicated I needed to install them.

Realize I am grasping at straws here. However, by rolling back .net to a previous version, then updating to the version recommended by Microsoft Update, for the first time I have v486 working as it should, on a brand new computer, not one corrupted by other software.

This .net discussion is way over my head, the fact that you have six of them, I have no idea what that means, I only have two. Nevertheless, I rarely believe in coincidence, so I tend to believe that part of the Vegas 12 v486 issue lies within this .net discussion, at least for some people, like me, maybe you too.

Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 9:55 PM
I'm with you... I have no idea about the .net stuff either or why I have 6 entires. I just wanted to see if I had the same versions... which I don't so I'm still a bit sketchy. I'll continue with my testing.
Myerz wrote on 2/24/2013, 10:06 PM

Installing MS Office.... now I'm nervous.
I am creating a back up image right now prior to the install.

MS Office -

- Test
- Playback - Good
- Render - Good

I think that's it for tonight.... It's looking good, I think we have a winner!
I'm even thinking about a bit of over-clocking... I've got that nailed... at least I know what's going in that department. ;-)

Good night everyone! and thanks for the replies
ushere wrote on 2/25/2013, 12:52 AM
well that's ONE good nights sleep under the belt! good luck with the next episode - to which may of us are tuned in - damn sight more exciting than anything on the telly ;-)
set wrote on 2/25/2013, 12:56 AM
If MS Office considered a trouble, you may consider alternate office to be installed : KingSoft Office ;

Now I'm using this....
Grazie wrote on 2/25/2013, 1:24 AM
And presently very topical at the moment:-

"The Winner Is, for the

. . . cut to acceptance speech where Myerz thanks his parents, his partner . . his/her accountant . . .. the bloke who makes his morning bagel and coffee . . . . .

ushere wrote on 2/25/2013, 2:00 AM
hopefully NOT hosted by seth whatshisname?
videoITguy wrote on 2/25/2013, 2:39 AM
I would swear that this thread was created by one of those addicts of facebook!
NickHope wrote on 2/25/2013, 3:54 AM
How is DVDA 6.0 defective?

(By the way I can't find any release notes to see what changed between 5.2 and 6.0, but I don't think it was much).
ushere wrote on 2/25/2013, 5:04 AM
i'm using 6 with no problem?

what's supposed to be wrong?