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Cornico wrote on 4/21/2017, 1:05 PM

Depends on the used codec in that Avi, which is no more than a wrapper holding a video and audio file. {A(audio)V(ideo)I(nterleave)}
Contents of that Avi you can read with MediaInfo

lich wrote on 4/21/2017, 1:27 PM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr8e01cse8275r3/maskedshooters-04212017-200915.avi?dl=0

This is the avi file that I want to open.
I would install more codecs but I can't find something legit.

john_dennis wrote on 4/21/2017, 2:29 PM

The Mediainfo report for the file:

Complete name                            : C:\Users\John\Desktop\maskedshooters-04212017-200915.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
File size                                : 143 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 14 s
Overall bit rate                         : 16.1 Mb/s

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : mp4v
Codec ID                                 : mp4v
Duration                                 : 1 min 14 s
Bit rate                                 : 14.7 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 280 pixels
Height                                   : 720 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.532
Stream size                              : 131 MiB (91%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings, Endianness              : Little
Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 1 min 14 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 411.2 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 12.5 MiB (9%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 993  ms (29.80 video frames)

How did you record it?

Stop doing it that way if you want to edit in a NLE. You're causing yourself a lot of trouble for nothing.

lich wrote on 4/21/2017, 2:42 PM

I recorded with a software from steam store liteCam, it seems I can also record in mp4. I'll try it with mp4.

Thank you.

john_dennis wrote on 4/21/2017, 6:09 PM

If you need to use those particular files, Handbrake or VideoReDo TV Suite will encode them into .mp4 that Vegas will accept. You will end up with avc and aac in a mp4 wrapper. Both will re-encode the file. I haven't found a way to losslessly re-wrap it.

lich wrote on 4/21/2017, 6:27 PM

Thank you!

Val wrote on 4/21/2017, 10:10 PM

Hello,

How do I open avi files in Vegas Pro 14 ?
It seems that it's not working. I should have codec for avi files since i can open them with bsplayer and vlc.

Thank you.

After reading your post, I did a quick test and tried to open an old AVI file in VP 14. I ran into an error. So I tried it in VP 12. It opened.

After tinkering with settings I got it open in VP 14 by changing a choice on the Audio Device tab and changed the setting to Microsoft Sound Mapper and the error went away, and allowed me add the AVI file to the timeline

Audio played; but no video. Just black.

I don’t want to re-wrap my AVI file into mp4. So, If you happen to figure it out please post the solution.

john_dennis wrote on 4/21/2017, 11:13 PM

Val,

Thanks for dropping by. If you have a troublesome AVI, start a new thread, post your Mediainfo report or upload a sample to a cloud share and someone will help you. Don't delude yourself into thinking that your file with an .avi extension is in any way similar to the sample posted earlier in this thread.

louis-gdon wrote on 4/22/2017, 8:45 AM

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr8e01cse8275r3/maskedshooters-04212017-200915.avi?dl=0

This is the avi file that I want to open.
I would install more codecs but I can't find something legit.

I downloaded your file, I can't open. I tried to convert to mp4/avi but it still doesn't work.

SWS wrote on 4/22/2017, 10:16 AM

I'm always running into ".avi's" that won't play with Vegas 11,12,13. Usually it's from a "Screen-Capture" program. They play on the Desktop fine, they play in Adobe CS6 Premier, 2017 Hitfilm but never in Vegas.

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 4/23/2017, 7:39 AM

I don’t want to re-wrap my AVI file into mp4. So, If you happen to figure it out please post the solution.

@Val You may not have a choice. Here's why:

The AVI container was designed to hold intra-frame codecs like DV, M-JPEG, etc. The MPEG container was designed to hold inter-frame codecs like MPEG2. Then MPEG4 came around and before there was a standard, companies like DivX start placing the inter-frame MPEG4 codec into an AVI container and it caused a lot of problems. Vegas Pro never handled DivX correctly because it wasn't expecting MPEG4 codec in an AVI wrapper. But software still continues to do it today and Vegas Pro still continues to choke on it because it's non-standard.

If you want to record AVC/H.264 MPEG4 video, you need to place it in an proper MP4 container. Otherwise you are in for a lot of problems.

~jr

Paul-Fierlinger wrote on 4/23/2017, 8:48 AM

I import my 1080p AVI files as Motion-JPEGs which is lossless (or can be Uncompressed but I see no difference) and these AVIs work flawlessly in Vegas 14. I render my projects out as Mp4s and keep my GPU on at all times. The rendering is faster than real time (a 30 minute film takes about 20 minutes to render) and these files have always been accepted under very stringent TV and theatrical house requirements. Most of my clients or collaborators like to receive from me Mp4 files for QT use and have never complained.

Val wrote on 4/24/2017, 5:03 AM

You may not have a choice. Here's why:

The AVI container was designed to hold intra-frame codecs like DV, M-JPEG, etc. The MPEG container was designed to hold inter-frame codecs like MPEG2...

@JohnnyRoy

Your explanation is appreciated, thank you. 😊

Out of curiosity, do you know why VP 12 & 13 can play my some of my AVI’s?

With VP 14, I only get audio but no video.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 4/24/2017, 6:52 AM

I don't know the reason why AVI's would play in 12 & 13 but not 14. It could actually be a bug if it use to work and now doesn't. I would report it to MAGIX.

~jr

JJKizak wrote on 4/24/2017, 7:41 AM

In my case I had to download the K-Codec Pac and the Cineform software codec for my older AVI's.

JJK

NickHope wrote on 4/25/2017, 12:41 AM
Out of curiosity, do you know why VP 12 & 13 can play my some of my AVI’s?

With VP 14, I only get audio but no video.

Please share a sample of a file that exhibits this behaviour on a service such as Google Drive, Dropbox, One Drive, Mega.nz or MediaFire. A MediaInfo report is also useful.

Grazie wrote on 4/25/2017, 1:42 AM

With VP 14, I only get audio but no video

I just did an ancient DV Tape captured within VP14 and got both Video and Audio. MediaInfo log:

General

Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Commercial name                          : DV
File size                                : 18.7 MiB
Duration                                 : 5 s 120 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 30.6 Mb/s
Recorded date                            : 2006-02-20 22:19:40.000

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : DV
Codec ID                                 : dvsd
Codec ID/Hint                            : Sony
Duration                                 : 5 s 120 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mb/s
Encoded bit rate                         : 28.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 576 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Standard                                 : PAL
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Interlaced
Scan order                               : Bottom Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.357
Time code of first frame                 : 00:01:47:13
Time code source                         : Subcode time code
Stream size                              : 17.6 MiB (94%)
Encoding settings                        : wb mode= / white balance= / fcm=auto focus

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings, Endianness              : Little
Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 5 s 120 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 960 KiB (5%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 269  ms (6.74 video frames)
Interleave, preload duration             : 280  ms

 

 

Val wrote on 4/25/2017, 3:20 AM

Please share a sample of a file that exhibits this behaviour .... A MediaInfo report is also useful.

Greetings Nick,

I cannot share my old AVI file with the public.

But, I created a new AVI file to test. You can download it here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8f1v31eln6xb8m/flyve%C3%B8velseconnection%20exercise%20Test%205-Segment%201.avi?dl=0

The new test file was created with a video converter. It seems to exhibit the same behavior as my old AVI file. The new Test file also works fine with VP 12 & 13.

But, in my VP 14, I only get audio.

******

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Even though I cannot share my old AVI file. I think I can share the specs

Here is the MediaInfo on my Old AVI file. (Please don't get the specs confused with the link to the new Test AVI file linked above)

Old AVI file info:

  • Format                                  : AVI
  • Format/Info                         : Audio Video Interleave
  • Commercial name              : DV
  • File size                                : 140 MiB
  • Duration                               : 38s 539ms
  • Overall bit rate mode        : Constant
  • Overall bit rate                    : 30.4 Mbps
  • TAPE                                     : Sony2
  • TCOD                                     : 17791106667
  • TCDO                                     : 18176491667
  • VMAJ                                     : 4
  • VMIN                                     : 0
  • STAT                                      : 1155 0 3.433228 1
  • DTIM                                     : 0 0
  •  
  • Video
  • ID                                       : 0
  • Format                              : DV
  • Codec ID                           : dvsd
  • Codec ID/Hint                  : Sony
  • Duration                            : 38s 539ms
  • Bit rate mode                   : Constant
  • Bit rate                               : 24.4 Mbps
  • Encoded bit rate               : 28.8 Mbps
  • Width                                  : 720 pixels
  • Height                                  : 480 pixels
  • Display aspect ratio           : 4:3
  • Frame rate mode               : Constant
  • Frame rate                           : 29.970 fps
  • Standard                               : NTSC
  • Color space                           : YUV
  • Chroma subsampling          : 4:1:1
  • Bit depth                               : 8 bits
  • Scan type                               : Interlaced
  • Scan order                             : Bottom Field First
  • Compression mode              : Lossy
  • Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                : 2.357
  • Time code of first frame      : 00:29:39;04
  • Time code source                  : Subcode time code
  • Stream size                              : 132 MiB (95%)
  •  
  • Audio
  • ID                                                            : 1
  • Format                                                   : PCM
  • Format settings, Endianness              : Little
  • Format settings, Sign                          : Signed
  • Codec ID                                                : 1
  • Duration                                                : 38s 539ms
  • Bit rate mode                                        : Constant
  • Bit rate                                                    : 1 536 Kbps
  • Channel(s)                                              : 2 channels
  • Sampling rate                                        : 48.0 KHz
  • Bit depth                                                 : 16 bits
  • Stream size                                             : 7.06 MiB (5%)
  • Alignment                                               : Aligned on interleaves
  • Interleave, duration                              : 266 ms (7.97 video frames)
  • Interleave, preload duration               : 266 ms

NickHope wrote on 4/25/2017, 3:39 AM

Your sample file opens fine for me in VP14, with normal audio. Here is the MediaInfo report:

General
Complete name                            : E:\0-others-media\flyveøvelseconnection exercise Test 5-Segment 1.avi
Format                                   : AVI
Format/Info                              : Audio Video Interleave
Commercial name                          : DV
File size                                : 47.2 MiB
Duration                                 : 13 s 46 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Constant
Overall bit rate                         : 30.3 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf56.15.102

Video
ID                                       : 0
Format                                   : DV
Codec ID                                 : dvsd
Codec ID/Hint                            : Sony
Duration                                 : 13 s 46 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 24.4 Mb/s
Encoded bit rate                         : 28.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 720 pixels
Height                                   : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 3:2
Original display aspect ratio            : 4:3
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Original frame rate                      : 29.970 (29970/1000) FPS
Standard                                 : NTSC
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:1:1
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Original scan type                       : Interlaced
Original scan order                      : Bottom Field First
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 2.357
Stream size                              : 44.7 MiB (95%)

Audio
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings, Endianness              : Little
Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
Codec ID                                 : 1
Duration                                 : 13 s 3 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 2.38 MiB (5%)
Alignment                                : Aligned on interleaves
Interleave, duration                     : 12  ms (0.35 video frame)

Do you have any codec packs like K-Lite installed, or ffdshow?

Cornico wrote on 4/25/2017, 3:39 AM

Your new Avi test file plays here normal on Vegas Pro 14

Val wrote on 4/25/2017, 4:48 AM

Greetings Nick,

Do you have any codec packs like K-Lite installed, or ffdshow?

No, I do not use k-lite codecs, or ffdshow.

Your sample file opens fine for me in VP14, with normal audio. Here is the MediaInfo report:

After reading your post, I did a couple of tests with the file in other boxes.

I didn’t have any trouble in

  • Premier Pro
  • After Effects
  • Vp 12 & 13
  • Nor, my old VP 8

Edit: Resolve could see it but couldn't import my AVI's.

So my Test AVI file plays for you & some others, but not for my VP14. Hmmm...Well, our unofficial test doesn’t solve the problem, but it was interesting.

Oh, well. If I ever need to work with Old AVI, I’ve got enough toys to play with. ☺️

NickHope wrote on 4/25/2017, 4:59 AM

Try resetting VP14 to default settings. If that doesn't help then a clean reinstall (see section 18 of this). Unfortunately there are no instructions yet for doing that for VP14, but the old Sony instructions can be adapted.

If that fails then try working through the whole of that latter thread.

I haven't heard of another case like yours, so it seems to be something specific to your machine.

Val wrote on 4/25/2017, 5:51 AM

Try resetting VP14 to default settings. If that doesn't help then a clean reinstall (see section 18 of this).

I haven't heard of another case like yours, so it seems to be something specific to your machine.

Greetings Nick,

Thank you for your suggestions.

But, I’ve already re-installed a few times.

Since there are others who are having trouble playing avi’s in VP14 too, I am not going to use a small unofficial test as the final conclusion that it's just my machine.

Because I’m not working a lot with avi’s at the moment, I’m going to leave this as it sits. I don’t mean this meanly, but there are other issues to worry about with VP 14.

But I will keep an open eye on this thread.

Anyway, it’s back to work for me.

I really, really appreciated your help. ☺️

☮☮☮

NickHope wrote on 4/25/2017, 12:02 PM

To clarify what I meant by "a case like yours", I haven't heard of another unsolvable case of an avi file that can be opened in VP12 or VP13 but not in VP14.

The word "clean" is significant in my last post. And I would throw in some Ccleaner registry cleaning between the clean uninstall and the reinstall.