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Yup... that sure looks like the work of a mac alright.

"OSX is in a lot of areas, software development, stability and general enterprise usage, still at least 3 years ahead of Microsoft."

Now you're absolutely sure you feel confident enough this time in talking about a M$ os? Did you at least study up on them this time? ;)

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regedit search shows that as a reference for NeXT quicktime?

>>>>I'm sure Apple's warning to use anti-virus software came from their legal department wanting to avoid law suits when the first in-the-wild OS X virus appears in 2011<<<<

Macs are full of viruses, and very likely yours as well.

Today's viruses are designed to keep your Mac operating as usual ( not by pranksters like 15 years ago ), and they use your computer for DOS attacks, sending spam e-mail and so on. If you don't have the usual assortment of software that most pcs have to check for these things, installing it now will most likely not help you. Rootkits and such, many undetectable and your only option is to re-install everything or continue with ignorance is bliss attitude.

Just because you don't notice it, it does not mean it's not there, especially since it's been very carefully designed not to be noticed. In this year's hacking competition, it was again Mac that was hacked in less than a minute, while other OSs took a few hours.

OSX is the least secure OS and even though most viruses target Windows for obvious reasons ( 95% of population uses it ) you guys with Macs are like HIV carriers who show no simptoms, don't know about it and just go about your business while infecting others.

Desux & Blink,

Thanks for proving that the Mac/PC ads are showing the Windows' user spot-on.

And remember, those Microsoft programmers responsible for Vista are the best salesmen Apple ever had.

=]

Seriously dude you are a whiny ass… get a life!

Now where have I read that recently?

"get a life!"

He can't... he's an Apple user.

Whiny ass, kool-aid drinker.

>> I have a sad life because I hate Apple???

Either that or some sort of mental condition. It is not in any way rational to hate a company with which you do not do (by your own admission) any business. Such hatred would have to come either from the fact that you are a pathetic and sad individual with no ability to lead a normal life, or that you have a rather severe mental problem.

>> what if I hated Ford or General Electric?

If you did not do any business with either, you'd be equally sad and pathetic. Hating a company in general, but particularly one with which you do no business is such a bizarre that you should see a doctor.

>> Now you're absolutely sure you feel confident enough
>> this time in talking about a M$ os? Did you at least study
>> up on them this time?

Don't even try it blink. You are UTTERLY clueless when it comes to technical aspects of software, but you had read what the head of marketing had done at Microsoft, ordered a particular version of Vista crippled. Good for you. EVERY SINGLE TIME you talk about technical aspects of computers blink, you show to the world that you are utterly clueless about that topic. You never get anything at all right. Except marketing decisions that is.

I run applications to get my work done, I don't really care what platform it runs on. The applications I run all run on the PC platform, so I guess that makes me a PC guy by default. I don't specifically dislike Apple, I just don't happen to own any of their machines. If some "killer app" came along that only ran on an Apple, I'd buy one.

>> Macs are full of viruses, and very likely yours as well.

Actually, this isn't correct. The amount of virii for macs is relatively low.

>> In this year's hacking competition, it was again Mac that was
>> hacked in less than a minute, while other OSs took a few hours.

This is highly inaccurate. Miller spent days and days working on this intrusion, it only took him two minutes to make someone go to his website and set it off. So, the sensationalist headlines are not really that informative, you really should read more than just the headlines.

Interestingly, here is what Miller says about how secure you are using a Mac vs a PC:
"I'd still recommend Macs for typical users as the odds of something targeting them are so low that they might go years without seeing any malware"

I wonder, when you post stuff like this, do you just make it up as you go or is there a gnome somewhere in a closet in your house feeding you this information?

>> while infecting others

Also, you really need to learn the difference between a virus - which is something that spreads like that, and an intrusion which is what Miller did. Intrusions and a botnet taking control of your computer doesn't spread like a virus.

Just for the record, I am a PC user, but I do not, as deusx here, go around making up fantasies about Mac just because I don't use a Mac. Neither do I hate a computer that I rarely use, that would be bordering on a mental illness.

So Terje, as you suggesting that OSX currently has scalable VM features, since its three years ahead of M$( no love lost on M$)? Does Vmware run on OSX? Are you talking about Apple's not using the BIOs and Intel's new EFI?, this is old news. Intel's new approach has been slow to catch on, but it looks like a better choice vs the old Bios limits. Is it Apple Networking? Disk Storage across networks?

I have read the new revision of Apple's Safari is very clean and fast running JavaScript apps. This could be good news for all anti IE7/8 users. If the PC version of Safari kicks butt as claim, this will be great.

>>>>
Also, you really need to learn the difference between a virus - which is something that spreads like that, and an intrusion which is what Miller did. Intrusions and a botnet taking control of your computer doesn't spread like a virus.<<<<<

Nothing you posted makes any sense. Why would anybody intrude unless they wanted to drop some virus or trojan on your Mac or PC.

Also makes no difference how long a guy spent preparing ( and you are wrong by the way, he just used a trick left over from last year's competition that Apple did not patch up, he did not have to prepare at all ). He spent time preparing to hack Windows too, even more , OSX fell right away, that is the bottom line.

And again, if people want to be ignorant and assume that they do not have a virus, trojan or any other kind of malware on their Mac/PC just because they don't know about it, go ahead. It's like saying that rates of cancer in XYZ town are extremely low simply because nobody ever goes to a doctor to check and be diagnosed.

It's stupid to put it mildly.

And the guy simply says that OSX is so much easier to penetrate and abuse, no ifs buts whatever. OSX is the least secure OS out there, and that is the end of the story.

His words:

"because Mac OS X lacks all the anti-exploit features Windows has built-in. "The things that Windows do to make it harder [for an exploit to work], Macs don't do," Miller says, "Hacking into Macs is so much easier. You don't have to jump through hoops and deal with all the anti-exploit mitigations you'd find in Windows."

http://www.osnews.com/story/21171/Miller_on_Mac_OS_X_Chrome_Firefox_Economics

"It's more about the operating system than the (target) program. Firefox on
Mac is pretty easy too. The underlying OS doesn't have anti-exploit stuff
built into it.

"With my Safari exploit, I put the code into a process and I know exactly
where it's going to be. There's no randomization. I know when I jump
there, the code is there and I can execute it there. On Windows, the code
might show up but I don't know where it is. Even if I get to the code,
it?s not executable. Those are two hurdles that Macs don't have."

"It's clear that all three browsers (Safari, IE and Firefox) have bugs. Code
execution holes everywhere. But that's only half the equation. The other
half is exploiting it. There's almost no hurdle to jump through on Mac OS
X."

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.sys.mac.system/2009-03/msg00778.html

>> So Terje, as you suggesting that OSX currently has scalable VM features

Depends on what you mean by VM. Virtual Memory or virtualization? Given your next sentence "Does Vmware run on OSX?" I am going to assume that you are talking about the latter. To that I can only answer: Yes. http://www.vmware.com/mac.

>> Is it Apple Networking? Disk Storage across networks?

Neither, but I am not sure where you are going with this, so I'll let you elaborate. For networking Apple used to have some cool stuff, and for SAN I would go with third-party solutions every time.

Areas I was thinking of includes - a modular micro-kernel (OK, Mach isn't exactly Micro, but it runs on my iPhone) architecture with a modern, well-architected development model and interface. Microsoft is getting better in the latter, but you still some times have to much about with Win32, and that is probably the worst interface available.

Also, Apple security has worked from day one. Microsoft is still trying to work out how it is supposed to be. They have gotten it wrong every time so far. UAC is idiotic, and it is an idiotic idea necessitated by Microsoft stupidity.

There are two things Microsoft never understood - multi-user is one, networking is the other. For the former, just look at how applications install on Windows. It is a nightmare and UAC is the moronic band-aid. As for networking. Sigh. An example. On Microsoft Exchange all filters etc are by default run on the client. That is so moronic it isn't even funny.

>> Nothing you posted makes any sense. Why would anybody
>> intrude unless they wanted to drop some virus or trojan on
>> your Mac or PC.

For a large number of reasons, one would be, for example, to make your computer part of a botnet. That is not the same as getting a virus infection. A virus is a self replicating piece of code attached to an executable piece of software that spreads by "touch". There is a reason that the word "malware" is now used in most cases. Malware is a class of software that includes virii, but extends far beyond it.

>> Also makes no difference how long a guy spent preparing
>> ( and you are wrong by the way,

Please, before claiming that people lie, back it up. Interestingly you can get the information straight from Miller him self, in an interview he says:
"Yes, I took down the Mac in under a minute each time. However, this doesn't show the fact that I spent many days doing research and writing the exploit before the day of the competition."

I would love to know how you are better informed about this than the person who actually did it.

>> And again, if people want to be ignorant and assume
>> that they do not have a virus

Nobody should and I doubt a lot of people do. On the other hand, if you have a Mac, the chances you actually have a virus on your computer is infinitesimally small. The chance of your computer having been highjacked by some botnet is much higher, but still infinitely smaller than is the case for a typical PC.

>> OSX is the least secure OS out there

Of the more popular, probably. I know of a few OSs that are far less secure, but they are also pretty uncommon on home PCs. Still, that doesn't change the fact that your PC is far more likely to have a malware problem than your Mac.

Your statement was that it was highly likely that OSX would fall victim to Malware, and the reality is that there are too few OSX boxes out there to make it worthwhile for the current crop of malware writers. Most of which are malicious botnet criminals who would consider the Mac market too small to bother with.

"Don't even try it blink. "

Nothing to try Terje. It's already been CLEARLY stated... you're about as clued in as I am. Now you can twist things around if you wish and say something utterly stupid like:
"what the head of marketing had done at Microsoft, ordered a particular version of Vista crippled." but the point is that if someone reads YOUR post, goes out and buys vista home and lord knows how many 100's of gigs of ram, they're going to be in for a bit of a surprise when it doesn't work. Then they're going to say.... "but this guy Terje on the Sony forums said it would work!?!?"

You also said this in my avchd work around thread (which you are using as I understand it.... but then I'm clueless in this technical stuff ... right ;)
"This will have no effect on 8.1 since 8.1 is 64 bit."
AGAIN you're dead wrong... the I/O plugins are not 64bit in 8.1

Sooo.... Mr. WRONGWAY.... you have proven beyond ANY doubt that you're about as qualified (or unqualified as the case maybe) to talk about this as I am. Like I said Terje.... nothin' to try here... you've stated your outright ignorance pretty clearly.

>>>I would love to know how you are better informed about this than the person who actually did it.<<<

You can see above that I posted 2 links and quoted him. Like I said, how much time he spent preparing is irrelevant because he also spent time trying to hack windows as well, but in his own words it was and still is far easier to exploit things on OSX.

And that is my whole point. OSX security is just another bull$hit claim pushed around by apple, just like "it's more stable" or "it's 5 times faster than the fastest PC" or ( insert any apple claim here because they are always bull$hit )...........

"And that is my whole point. OSX security is just another bull$hit claim pushed around by apple"

And its cult members. The difference here is that cult members actually BELIEVE what they preach. Oh the shame of being sucked in to that degree. You can site off as many links and facts as you can and it won't make a stick of difference. They just put the fingers in ye ole ears and go "nah, nah, nah...."

There are people that have a preference towards PC and those towards Mac... and it's just that.... preference. But it's this utter and totally made-up CRAP about mac walking on water and other such stupidity that drives me crazy. Mac couldn't even get off the ground without putting some PC inside its dainty little white casing.

>> you're about as clued in as I am.

Rubbish blink. You have never been able to point to a single technical fact where I was anywhere near as clueless as you ALWAYS are. Not once. You did get the fact that the marketing manager for Microsoft had had a version of Vista 64 artificially crippled for marketing reasons, but that is not a technical issue. So, I missed the machinations of a marketing minion, you on the other hand don't even know what Virtual Memory is, one of the very basics tasks of modern operating systems.

>> AGAIN you're dead wrong.

Actually, no, but hey, go ahead and masturbate to the idea. Vegas 8.1 is 64 bit. Some plugins are not, but that doesn't alter what Vegas is.

As I said, you have no clue at all about computers blink, not the slightest. On the other hand you have never been able to point to a single technical thing about computers where I was wrong. Not once. Not even in this pathetic effort.

>> Like I said, how much time he spent preparing is irrelevant

Actually, no, it is not. If he spent a week writing software and then two minutes getting someone to run the software, that says nothing at all about the hackability of the system. I hope we can agree on that. Now, there is more to it than that, since he needed to exploit an issue in Safari to get the user to run the software, but the time it took to write the software is highly relevant.

I have no problem with his statement that it is easier to do this for the Mac than for the PC however, it isn't relevant to the discussion. My counter was to your blanket statement that most, or a significant portion of, Macs are attacked. This is clearly wrong, and the computer expert that you quote to bolster your case even says you are full of bull manure.

Please explain, slowly so that you can understand what you are writing, why a security expert who has just hacked a Mac would say: "I'd still recommend Macs for typical users as the odds of something targeting them are so low that they might go years without seeing any malware if the Mac was a less secure platform in normal use than the PC. It simply isn't. Not because it is more secure, but because there is very, very little malware in the wild for the platform. There is even less for a number of operating systems that are far less secure than Windows.

>> OSX security is just another bull$hit claim

In reality, no it is not. OSX is, as Miller says, a lot less likely to be infected by malware simply because there is a lot less malware out there that can infect it.

>> it's more stable

My experience with OSX is that, on the same hardware, OSX is more stable than Windows XP and Vista 64. Only slightly less stable than Vista 64, but still, when I pull a particular card reader (credit card reader) out of any Vista box the box will instantly blue-screen. If I try to "safely remove hardware" it will do the same. Is this the fault of Microsoft. I would argue so, the OS should protect it self, even against bad drivers.

Oh, and before you rant about something irrelevant, yes, I run OSX, XP and Vista 64 on exactly the same hardware. I multi-boot into OSX (Hackintosh).

>> cult members actually BELIEVE what they preach

Oh, my goodness. That is too funny. Been looking in the mirror lately Blink. You act exactly like the nutcase Mac zealots when someone has something to say about your precious Vegas.

>> There are people that have a preference towards PC and
>> those towards Mac... and it's just that.... preference

Wow. Are you actually so badly brain damaged that you don't even remember what you wrote just a little further up in this thread? "Primarily why I hate Apple so much". You really should try to at least come up with a coherent message blink.

>> Mac couldn't even get off the ground without putting
>> some PC inside its dainty little white casing.

That's such a dumb statement I don't know what to say. Apple moving to Intel was a factor of a chip manufacturer no longer catering to Apple and their needs. Apple didn't move to Intel to become "like a PC", they had to move to Intel because otherwise they would not have suitable CPUs to put in their computers.

You really are dumb when you bombastically say stuff that is blatantly wrong, ignorant and much more than a little stupid.