Radeon vs Geforce

igniz-krizalid wrote on 9/23/2016, 4:33 PM

Get the Radeon 480, it does support 10-bit HEVC and VP9 besides all other features, I don't even know why people even consider buying Nvidia gaming cards for editing softwares, and I would say 4Gb is more than enough

JohnAsh wrote on 9/25/2016, 6:07 AM

Having read as much as I could and got totally confused about Vegas Pro support for GPU cards, I had been about to order a Geoforce GTX 750 Ti. But now think that would be the wrong choice. Whoever is buying me a new card for my 69th birthday (!) cannot run to a Radeon 480. So would a Radeon 460 provide a suitable upgrade to my Current GTS450? I am more interested in achieving an excellent video preview rather than seeing a huge increase in rendering speeds as my PC seems to cope pretty well with that. Thanks.

bradf wrote on 9/25/2016, 11:38 AM

Having read as much as I could and got totally confused about Vegas Pro support for GPU cards, I had been about to order a Geoforce GTX 750 Ti. But now think that would be the wrong choice. Whoever is buying me a new card for my 69th birthday (!) cannot run to a Radeon 480. So would a Radeon 460 provide a suitable upgrade to my Current GTS450? I am more interested in achieving an excellent video preview rather than seeing a huge increase in rendering speeds as my PC seems to cope pretty well with that. Thanks.

thanks, I myself am only 7 years behind you. I have a newer machine so it can handle the 480. I've been having a problem getting ideas for some reason, been to TomsHardware, PCBuild, Amazon and get a very few comments and they are fairly mixed at best. But I'm leaning toward the 480 with 8gig probably an MSI I've switched brands from ASUS to MSI mainly gotten better customer service and MSI does have a better quality then ASUS that's my opionion and others also. This should decrease my rendering time and give me an all around better video and gaming. How much system memory do you have? I have 16gigs so I'm set there. I went from 2 gigs, to 8gigs and man what a difference! Going from 8 to 16 didn't get as big as a defference but very noticable! If your rendering is acceptable then I might rather consider increasing sysytem memory, unless of course you have at least 8gigs already. I did a lot of research and found that memory would give me a better boost then a video card. No that I've been working with the 16 gigs of memory I have no bottleneck except for the video, so it's time to get that upgraded.

JohnAsh wrote on 9/25/2016, 11:51 AM

Brad. How much would you expect to be spending on such a card? I have to say, and I do hope I'm completely wrong about this, this new Magix forum seems to be a lot quieter than the good old Sony days when a plea for help would generate many helpful responses! I don't think Magix are doing very well in keeping its existing user base happy! How can you have a forum without a search functions for a start? And the upgrade mess is typical of this.

bradf wrote on 9/25/2016, 12:17 PM

Brad. How much would you expect to be spending on such a card? I have to say, and I do hope I'm completely wrong about this, this new Magix forum seems to be a lot quieter than the good old Sony days when a plea for help would generate many helpful responses! I don't think Magix are doing very well in keeping its existing user base happy! How can you have a forum without a search functions for a start? And the upgrade mess is typical of this.

I would have to agree john. I think Sony is going to regret doing what they did. There is a couple of other software suites out there that compete's So they may be seeing people jumping overboard. As for Magix I have never heard any very good things about there products or tech support or customer support. I doubt very much I would buy anything from them. All the guru's that were on Sony's site have pretty much disappeared. No search engine and the interface sucks! They should have kept it the way it was. Companies always has to change something that is working. Microsoft has the bad habit of doing that.

As for the video card the 4 gig model on Amazon is 240 bucks The 8gig model is 280 bucks. I think I might as well go with the 8gig model for a couple of facts. One is that the 4 gig model has no backplate. The backplate provides extra cooling that allows the heat to dissapate so it will run cooler. The extra memory according to specs will be very nice. This will probably be my last upgrade for some time in the video area anyway. In the near future I plan on upgrading my SSD from 256gig to 512gig. Then way down the road going to 32gig on system memory is a option.

I was considering the Geforce 1060 but they only have two options on memory which is weird at 3 and 6gigs. I did more research yesterday on the Radeon and it has pretty much swayed me to the Radeon. If I was doing a lot of High end gaming then no question I would go for the Geforce.

set wrote on 9/25/2016, 12:23 PM

Get the Radeon 480, it does support 10-bit HEVC and VP9 besides all other features, I don't even know why people even consider buying Nvidia gaming cards for editing softwares, and I would say 4Gb is more than enough

Does this HEVC also supported on RX470 ?

bradf wrote on 9/25/2016, 12:40 PM

yes the RX 460, 470 and 480 all have hvec and hdr and 4k support according to there specs on there website anyway.

JohnAsh wrote on 9/25/2016, 1:03 PM

Thanks. I read the card is almost a foot long. I'd better open up my PC to check it would fit!!

bradf wrote on 9/25/2016, 1:35 PM

Thanks. I read the card is almost a foot long. I'd better open up my PC to check it would fit!!

This is also a 2 slot card so it will suck up two slots and yes it's close enough to 12" L. I have a full twoer case so I can handle up to 13.5"L cards. There is a caveat to buying the card on NewEgg.com they have battlefield 1 included if you are into that game. The price on NewEgg is 290 but with a rebate of 20 bucks but you have to pay for shipping so there price after rebate is only about 6 bucks cheaper than Amazon. But Amazon's price is 280 with the 20 buck rebate. But I hate rebates, they are usually a pain in the rear-end jumping through hoops for it. So when I buy I ignore the rebate price. I do put in the rebate but I don't hold my breath!

ben-a wrote on 9/25/2016, 1:38 PM

I don't think that Vegas supports Nvidia cards past the old 500 series. (If you look around recent posts in this Forum, there are a number of comments about this. Also on Creative Cow.) I did a series of tests using Nvidia GTX 7x0, GTX 560 and an older Radeon cards a year or so ago. I didn't keep the results, but 7x0 card was not faster than the 560 and neither Nvidia card was appreciably faster than the Radeon. That drove my decision to upgrade motherboards and move to the Radeon R380 (not the top of the line). I think Vegas has better support for GPUs with OpenCL from the ATI side rather than Nvidia's OpenCL implementation based on my experience and comments in the Creative Cow Forum. What I found was that the choice of CPU was even more important that the choice of GPU. I went from a 6 core AMD to a fifth generation i7 and achieved a huge improvement.

I don't think that going to 16 GB on a video card is going to improve your performance that much. Upgrade the video card, yes. Radeon, yes. 4 GB on the card is probably all you'll need. If you can upgrade your i5 to i7 without changing the motherboard, do that. If your motherboard is more than couple of years old, I'd recommend you change that, the CPU and the GPU together. I think you'll see the biggest performance boost doing that. If you are going to get the R480, make sure to check that it is compatible BIOS/firmware/software-wise, too.

bradf wrote on 9/25/2016, 1:56 PM

I don't think that Vegas supports Nvidia cards past the old 500 series. (If you look around recent posts in this Forum, there are a number of comments about this. Also on Creative Cow.) I did a series of tests using Nvidia GTX 7x0, GTX 560 and an older Radeon cards a year or so ago. I didn't keep the results, but 7x0 card was not faster than the 560 and neither Nvidia card was appreciably faster than the Radeon. That drove my decision to upgrade motherboards and move to the Radeon R380 (not the top of the line). I think Vegas has better support for GPUs with OpenCL from the ATI side rather than Nvidia's OpenCL implementation based on my experience and comments in the Creative Cow Forum. What I found was that the choice of CPU was even more important that the choice of GPU. I went from a 6 core AMD to a fifth generation i7 and achieved a huge improvement.

I don't think that going to 16 GB on a video card is going to improve your performance that much. Upgrade the video card, yes. Radeon, yes. 4 GB on the card is probably all you'll need. If you can upgrade your i5 to i7 without changing the motherboard, do that. If your motherboard is more than couple of years old, I'd recommend you change that, the CPU and the GPU together. I think you'll see the biggest performance boost doing that. If you are going to get the R480, make sure to check that it is compatible BIOS/firmware/software-wise, too.

Thanks, I already have 16 gig on sys. mem. I was thinking eventually going to 32 though. My machine is the older 1155 version. The cost of upgrading the mobo and cpu to 1151 right now is not an option. I was thinking about upgrading to the I7 though. But at the moment the video card upgrade is more needed than my cpu. But I have plans on upping to the I7 eventually. Probably not this year though. I will check out compatibility on the 480 though but I think it should be good to go. If not I may have to rethink and go with the 460 or 470. The biggest reason to go with the 480 with 8gig is that the 4 gig model doesn't come with the backplate but the 8gig model does. Other than that the 4gig model would be good for me. It would be a huge jump from my Geforce 430.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/25/2016, 2:00 PM

I don't think that Vegas supports Nvidia cards past the old 500 series.

That is actually only half true. Vegas will use the Nvidia cards OpenCL capabilities for timeline preview and fx processing; it NEVER used CUDA for that purpose. CUDA was only used for the encoders written by Mainconcept and if you go to Mainconcepts website you can info that their encoder only supports up to Fermi architecture. That is the reason it was never updated until today, has nothing todo with Sony or now Magix.

igniz-krizalid wrote on 9/25/2016, 2:12 PM

Get the Radeon 480, it does support 10-bit HEVC and VP9 besides all other features, I don't even know why people even consider buying Nvidia gaming cards for editing softwares, and I would say 4Gb is more than enough

Does this HEVC also supported on RX470 ?

As far as I know all new polaris architecture (including low-end 460) support it so don't worry.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 9/25/2016, 2:43 PM

I don't think that Vegas supports Nvidia cards past the old 500 series.

That is actually only half true. Vegas will use the Nvidia cards OpenCL capabilities for timeline preview and fx processing; it NEVER used CUDA for that purpose. CUDA was only used for the encoders written by Mainconcept and if you go to Mainconcepts website you can info that their encoder only supports up to Fermi architecture. That is the reason it was never updated until today, has nothing todo with Sony or now Magix.

+1

OldSmoke is right and it's really important to understand this: Vegas Pro has Timeline GPU acceleration, FX GPU acceleration, and Rendering GPU acceleration for very specific codecs.

Timeline acceleration uses OpenCL so the most recent graphics cards are supported.

Rendering acceleration is a mixed bag. The MainConcept AVC encoder supported CUDA but only on very old Fermi cards. It also hard-coded very specific OpenCL cards, all of which are from around 2010. Sony AVC seemed to do something similar only supporting very old cards.

FX GPU acceleration is also a mixed bag. Some 3rd party FX use OpenGL (like Boris FX) and support any card that is OpenGL capable. Some may support CUDA. Still others might use OpenCL. It's up to the 3rd party. I believe that all Sony FX use OpenCL/OpenGL.

So GPU acceleration in Vegas Pro is not just one thing. It is at least 3 things.

~jr

JohnAsh wrote on 9/25/2016, 3:02 PM

Amazing! Thanks for all the info, guys but it does seem quite a mess which I would have thought Sony should have got to grips with ages ago? Let's see if the new owners grasp the nettle? Not holding my breath!

NickHope wrote on 9/26/2016, 5:13 AM

Is an RX480 8GB card superior to an R9 390X 8GB card for Vegas Pro and Resolve?

bradf wrote on 9/26/2016, 11:24 AM

Is an RX480 8GB card superior to an R9 390X 8GB card for Vegas Pro and Resolve?

That depends. if you already have the R9 then you're good. If not then I'd say for the price and a couple of specs better then the 480 is a tiny bit better. I did look at it but giving the price 200 bucks avg more for only a couple of specs better for me it was a no brainer. Now just waiting to here from either MSI or ASUS on compatibility.

igniz-krizalid wrote on 9/26/2016, 5:15 PM

Is an RX480 8GB card superior to an R9 390X 8GB card for Vegas Pro and Resolve?

I'd say no for vegas, they are about the same in performance but RX 480 wins for the price and bc its newer architecture... I don't know how it will work with Resolve bc I don't use it anymore sorry.

NickHope wrote on 9/26/2016, 10:20 PM

Thanks for the replies.

I don't have an R9 already. I have an antique HD6970, which does OK with Vegas because I leave GPU acceleration off, but I need something better for Resolve.

Newer architecture is not always a good thing, especially where Vegas is concerned.

set wrote on 9/26/2016, 10:32 PM

As far as I currently see it, Resolve depends a lot with GPU RAM.

I follow suggestion from https://www.dcinema.me/davinci-resolve-system-requirements-a-reality-check/

This is how I finally choose RX470 4GB. Vegas Pro 13 seems ok with this.

john_dennis wrote on 9/27/2016, 1:25 AM

I upgrade my system every time we have a Summer Olympics. I'm due in October, but I've begun assembling parts.

This video card is currently on my Wish List.

I've already bought the motherboard and memory to build a system around an i7-6850K. Case, power supply and spinning drives will be reused. Current motherboard, CPU and memory will be repurposed. I haven't decided if I'll lower the eight year old system over the side since it still runs office applications.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/27/2016, 2:43 AM

As far as I currently see it, Resolve depends a lot with GPU RAM.

I follow suggestion from https://www.dcinema.me/davinci-resolve-system-requirements-a-reality-check/

This is how I finally choose RX470 4GB. Vegas Pro 13 seems ok with this.

As far as I know, Resolve specifies 8 GB ram for UHD files. 4GB will be enough for HD.

Vegas will be more then ok with an 470 4GB card, true. But since I am interested also in Resolve I puchased a R9 390X 8GB card (that was before the new cards arrived).

SphinxRa40 wrote on 9/27/2016, 4:01 AM

Just a note:

I have this card for a while now:

http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=C436E37C-8A09-48B6-9F2B-F4AF86E377B6&lang=eng

If you work like me also with AE and Element 3D, Element 3D don't work with latest AMD drivers,

you have to go back to 15.1, see:

https://community.amd.com/thread/198310

I went from NVIDIA to AMD because of what is all above written, regretted all the way in beginning (flickering issues with 2 monitors, BruceUSA and OldSmoke and Nick Hope can remember this maybe on Creative Cow and Sony Forum, they helped me a lot), this was an other AMD card wich i returned after weeks of madness.

This card (link) is ok (beside the element 3d thing), but glad VP goes to newer chipsets support,

i would go back to NVIDIA in an instance.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/27/2016, 9:45 AM

SphinxRa40

I think I also mentioned that while AMD cards are good, their drivers have always been an issue. It has imporved but still not as solid as Nvidia. I would go back to Nvidia too if the situation will ever improve with Vegas but I rather see myself having moved on by then.