>Did MBL ever fix their highlight clipping issue?

AFAIK - as I've not had that issue although I often work in 32-bit mode for intense CC.

The boris workaround has to be the most convoluted solution to a vegas problem concerning plugs that I've ever heard. MB is fantastic and losing it is HUGE!!! If you don't see that check your glasses.

MB is fantastic...

Your opinion is not shared by too many folks here.

...and losing it is HUGE!!!

Others have found ways to continue using it.

If you don't see that check your glasses.

If you don't check your attitude, you won't be getting too many responses to any more of your questions.

Mike

It's not a boris workaround: Boris & AE are very similar. Boris has more host support (works in more NLE's & in AE). MB is a 3rd party plugin for AE & Boris. It would be no different vs using AE for your CC except that Boris is a direct plugin with Vegas & you can use MB as a plugin to that, just like you'd use a plugin with AE.

Until I read that I wasn't really interested in Boris, but with BorisFX (~$300) you can load AE plugins, that could be worth it right there. All native use in Vegas, 32 or 64 bit. Unlike MB for Vegas 8.

Said it once, will say it again, they should have released a 64bit version of MBL!
Then, watch those sales figures! Its nonsense for them to suggest vegas users were low in numbers, of course, who the hell wants 32bit plugins anyway these days? if they were low its because they made it so.
Paul.

The Boris solution appears to be a nogo- installer is only for 32-bit Vegas. Supposedly a 64-bit version is in the works according to some online posts, but nothing on the site I can find.

Does it load up the MBL plugin though? MBL was 32-bit only so if you were using that in Vegas you could use Boris too.

> "...they should have released a 64bit version of MBL! Then, watch those sales figures! Its nonsense for them to suggest vegas users were low in numbers, of course, who the hell wants 32bit plugins anyway these days? if they were low its because they made it so."

Yea, I think what RedGiant missed is that Sony Vegas went 64-bit 3 YEARS AGO!!! with Vegas Pro 8.1. If they are wondering why Vegas users didn't buy MBL it might be because it didn't work in 64-bit for so long. So they haven't had a 64-bit Vegas solution for the last 3 years and now they're wondering why Vegas users aren't buying the 32-bit version???

The other reason might be because Vegas users really don't need it...

Vegas has everything you need to recreate the Magic Bullet Looks already. We (VASST) proved this 6 years ago when we introduced our VASST ReelPak Film Looks (made by the very talented David Jimerson) that recreates the TV and Hollywood film looks using nothing more than the built-in Vegas FX plug-ins. These work fine in 64-bit Vegas, of course, and render a lot faster than MBL.

If you need these looks in Vegas 64-bit you might want to check out the 5 ReelPaks that we have for Vegas. (ReelPak-4 Hollywood Today-Volume 1 is one of my favorites) They are also very good as a learning tool to seeing how David achieved the looks that he did and, of course, you can tweak them to your hearts content because they are just Vegas plug-ins.

I didn't mean for this to turn into an advertisement but I just wanted to point out that there is an alternative to MBL and it's called "learning Vegas color correction tools as well as David Jimerson knows them". ;-)

~jr

Johnny Roy,

Does your ReelPak have any of the relighting tools of MBL? How about the diffusion effects? To say "Vegas has everything you need to recreate the Magic Bullet Looks already" is a bit of a stretch. I'm sure they are great but they are not MBL.

Marc

> "Does your ReelPak have any of the relighting tools of MBL? How about the diffusion effects? "

The ReelPaks don't have any "tools". They use the Vegas tools. Yes, David has recreated the diffusion looks and white bloom and everything else. Take a look at the link I provided.

> "To say "Vegas has everything you need to recreate the Magic Bullet Looks already" is a bit of a stretch. I'm sure they are great but they are not MBL."

I agree that MLB has a very intuitive way of applying these FX and in some cases (like relighting, where you must manually use masks and multiple tracks in Vegas) the FX are easier to apply in MBL but you can do all of these in Vegas. We can argue about whether the "quality" is better or not but they are there. If you need gradient filters in Vegas, use the Generated Media Gradient with Track Compositing. Is it as easy as MBL? No! But it's just as effective.

Hey, I use MLB all the time for relighting. It is way easier than doing it in Vegas, which means that I purchased MBL and I know how cool it is and I would love to see a 64-bit version. Don't get me wrong. But I'm not adverse to spending money to make my workflow simpler because I make it back by getting more work done faster so I bought MBL for the time savings. But if you have the time and not the money, you can do it all in Vegas. (ok... for the sake of argument, let's say you can create "most" of them In Vegas although I can't think of one that you can't. It just takes more work)

~jr

over at the RG blog I brought up the idea that they may have never taken Vegas seriously- as evidenced by one of Stu M's blogs:

http://prolost.com/blog/2009/11/10/vegas-has-mojo.html

and the post was quickly removed. I figured as much- I am moving on to Boris ColorGrade:

http://www.borisfx.com/units/3-Way-Color-Grade.php

Does what most of what Colorista 2 does at 1/3 the price. And as far as Magic Bullet Looks- I am looking into BCC Film Process (also $100 cheaper):

http://www.borisfx.com/units/film_look.php

It doesn't look like 3 way color corrector is available yet for Vegas. Are they planning on adding it to BCC? Looks like a nice plugin.

decaffery, why don't you buy BCC 7 for Vegas 10?

Jøran

"over at the RG blog I brought up the idea that they may have never taken Vegas seriously- as evidenced by one of Stu M's blogs:"

Sadly what Stu says aligns well with the feeling I get from the rest of the industry.

It all comes down to a Catch 22 problem. Very few if any of us are running a business that charges serious money per hour so we don't have much to spend. Those that do seem to have AE anyway so by pulling support for Vegas RG have not really lost sales to those users. I think going forward even Boris may find it hard to justify supporting Vegas. I've already got what tools I need from Boris as part of AE. No sense to me in paying twice for the same thing and if I do need more Boris goodness I'll be buying it for AE, I know of no one whose ever pulled support for AE!

I've had the same issue with BMD too by the way. My Decklink card works then doesn't then does as SCS brings out new releases. No such issues I've found with Ppro.

Same thing has happened with Cineform. It wouldn't surprise me that much if they just gave up.

What I see as the core issue and the way to break the cycle is for SCS to licence the 3rd party tech like Adobe have done with the Bcc plugs and like SCS have done with Elastique. Over the years SCS have offered us a lot of freebies as part of the license, great but you never really know how it'll work out in the long run. Current offer is PI. Now if SCS were to licence the code and the licences were sold by SCS and it was their job to keep it working in Vegas the cycle gets broken or at least starts to break down. They should do the same thing with Boris in my opinion, it should be SCS selling it as an optional extra.

Bob.

Guys forget RedGiant and look on the sunny side. Lots of OFX plugins designed for other programs show up in Vegas 64. Take a look around, one example are the plugs from The Foundry. I have Twixtor running in Vegas even though revisionfx don't list Vegas as being supported.

Revisionfx will be officially supporting Sony Vegas soon,

As For Red Giant:
If we can get enough Vegas users to come together and have everyone send out an email request to both SonySoftware and RedGiant on the same day, maybe we can move forward? show them there's demand??

What about aranging a date and have all vegas users bombard both companies with requests for continued support? they might take notice.

cal79, RG listening to Vegas users? Good luck with that.

Besides, with OpenFX, we don't need RG anymore. Good riddance.

Wrong, wrong, wrong... We need RED GIANT for Vegas.


You might not need it but you don't speak for me. I speak for me.

I have to agree with the User 'Dreamline' we very much do need Red Giant on-board, they are in my opinion the leading developer when it comes the colour grading..

Magic Bullet Looks is the best most affordable colour grading tool around.

As much as I like Newblue fx, VASST, Boris BCC7, even Magic bullet Quick Looks, all of them can be easily replicated by simply chaining up standard event fx in Vegas software.. I have created many of my own pre-sets and chain events. However the same can't be said for RedGiant MBL, forget about the many presets, this is a much more complex tool with a lot more control and features over anything else out there, if you disagree then you've barely scratched the surface of what this sofware can do.

to replicate some of the looks i've achieved with MBL would take hours and hours of work in vegas, it involves countless hours of chaining and tweaking events, layering duplicate tracks, adjusting composite modes, and even using third party plug-ins to make further tweaks.. Believe me I’ve spent hours tweeking and saving presets and i'm never 100% happy, one video frame can look fine and next awaful, also your projects start to look messy and complex with layered tracks and duplicate events.

Magic Bullet Looks is by far the best most leading affordable colour grading tool available to us.. I think it's a shame to loose it, and if Sony Vegas Users can't show that there's a demand for it then I seriously think it's a major blow to the continued future success of Sony Vegas Pro, it’s going to push users to move over to other platforms.

'OpenFX' means nothing when theres nothing out there to compete with, the Leading developer has dropped us, so (jwcarney) I don't see your point made about 'OpenFX'. waiting for that miracle plug-in?

Sony Software have the power to pull a few strings, how much do they really care about their user community? they should have played ball with RedGiant, how does one let a leading developer like this slip away? they must have idiots at the top in management, They may as well have shot themselves in the foot, could this be the begining of the end?

vegas users did not make it profitable ,,the users have already spoken

Probably becasue they were using cracks, instead of paying for it

From my own straw poll of the very few Vegas users that turn up on our doorstep I'd guess 50% of them are using cracked copies of Vegas. They're hardly likely to be paying out money for 3rd party plugins or as suggested they're using cracked copies.

I'm not a MBL user and given the kind of projects that I do am unlikely to ever be. Still I cannot argue that Red Giant is a company that can be ignored. I would suggest that they are on the rise having bought up a number of smaller companies assets such as Digital Anarchy.

I also already have quite a number of Boris plugs via After Effects and can think of no reason why I'd pay for them again to get them working in Vegas. If I were to want more of Boris's goodies or Red Giants I'd also be buying them for AE, not Vegas. I do realise there's a good argument for doing some of the basic work in Vegas however the small convenience of not having to bounce video into AE does not offset the cost. Obviously others are in a different position.

The problem though remains, a small part of a small part of a userbase that is not holding a large share of the market and one that is not mostly comprised of users who are cashed up or have a signifcant revenue stream. This is further compounded by Vegas not being the easiest host to code for judging by comments from the Boris developers.

Bob.