"It's a little hard for people with cracked copies to be a part of this forum. You can't post unless you are a registered user. "]
Most folks here have been with Vegas for quite some time. I started with version 6, so there's a significant investment here.

Occasionally there may be someone with a cracked copy running around, but not likely in these forums. The majority of cracked software users rarely use such products anyway - it's more of a hoarding and collecting activity for them than anything actually productive.

"Are you talking YOUR doorstep, or this forum?"

Our doorstep, as in the rental business I work for.

Don't take my word for it though, the most popular Youtube video related to "vegas" is about how to steal it. Discussed here (as in on this forum) several times.

"It's a little hard for people with cracked copies to be a part of this forum. You can't post unless you are a registered user. "

Indeed.

Bob..

Yes but not everyone with a registered copy of Vegas use this forum, I've been a user for quite some time and I only signed up yesterday

"Don't take my word for it though, the most popular Youtube video related to "vegas" is about how to steal it. Discussed here (as in on this forum) several times."

No, no.... I don't debate the claim at all! Vegas is a huge success in the underworld. But the underworld is a big place with LOTS of selection.... including MC...PP....FCP....

Now I don't know the stats but in spite of the rather 'free' selection out there, Vegas SEEMS to be the weapon of choice.

A silver lining in the cloud.... or a thorn in the side....I don't know.... you decide.

Well without proper user support it's only Inevitabile that a lot of you will jump ship to other platforms, which will result in the destruction or downsize of Sony Vegas Pro to a more amature editing package.

With RedGiant gone, other developers might follow..

Some of you may not see a need for MB now in your projects but maybe in time when you get more adventurous with your editing you'll possibly think different, at which point you'll move to another platform, which in turn will kill off what could have been a potentially great editing program.

"Well without proper user support it's only Inevitabile that a lot of you will jump ship to other platforms, which will result in the destruction or downsize of Sony Vegas Pro to a more amature editing package. "

The very premise that red giant is folding because of lack of vegas business makes it clear that not a lot of Vegas users are interested in the first place..... so why would they jump ship??? I don't follow your line of argument at all!?!

"With RedGiant gone, other developers might follow.."

The ONLY reason other developers "might follow" is because of lack of business. If you were make big bucks selling a plugin for Vegas... would you stop just because another developer wasn't so lucky??

You're not making sense here.

Rob it's simple, most people that use Vegas are either beginners or new to this game, once a user develops their skills it's only nautural for them to want to expand on their skills. Vegas loosing leading developers will cause a chain reaction limiting the tools to those that have creative talent. We can only go so far within the boundaries of sony vegas then it's time to Jump ship. Maybe you have yet to expand on your own skills, for me colour grading has become essential in my editing, my clients expect nothing less which is why i'm successful in my field of work.

"Rob it's simple, most people that use Vegas are either beginners or new to this game,"

Really?
Can I see a quote or 2 from the reliable source at which you are getting this info from? Maybe even some statistics as to the various levels to which a person will use Vegas.... a sectional view of Vegas users perhaps?

"Vegas loosing leading developers will cause a chain reaction limiting the tools to those that have creative talent."
The tools were there and not being used to begin with.... what part of this are you not understanding?

"The tools were there and not being used to begin with.... what part of this are you not understanding? "

That's the part that you're not understanding. They were being used. They were not being used by enough Vegas users. Those users generally are the loss leaders and SCS has never seemed to me to understand the importance of them in this industry.

I'm sure Apple didn't make any money directly helping Murch get Cold Mountain out the door but they sure got their money back from the sales the publicity created.

Bob.

"They were not being used by enough Vegas users"

Yeah... but that's the part we're interested in here. If Vegas users weren't using the tools in the first place, then it stands to reason that there will be no loss of Vegas users if you take those tools away.

Now... if you want to talk about Vegas relative to OTHER nle's... then that's a different ball game.

" If Vegas users weren't using the tools in the first place, then it stands to reason that there will be no loss of Vegas users if you take those tools away."

Now you're not making sense. Clearly the tools was / is being used by SOME Vegas users. So the loss will impact them and one option they have is to jump ship.
For obvious reasons they're likely to be the ones with budgets and prominance in the industry .I've been down this kind of path with a local post house that installed 3 seats of Vegas on my recommendation. All was OK until SCS dropped the ball with support for BMD. $10K worth of Decklink Extreme HD cards not working, not good. SCS says jump to AJA and BMD say jump to Ppro. Having a company with the prominance of BMD advising against using Vegas, not good but it doesn't directly affect many Vegas users......

Bob.

"Now, if Vegas drops 32-bit versions (which I expect and think is good in v11 or v12), I will have to keep V9 32-bit running forever as clients call back for changes and updates."

I'm in the same situation.

I've been also been unsatisfied with Red Giant's support.
Talking with their customer support years ago - I got the vibe they did not care much for Vegas. Also, conveyed that they favored other NLEs and were "connected" to a competitor of Vegas in someway - no detail given.
And to top it off, they never solved my issue.

"Now you're not making sense. Clearly the tools was / is being used by SOME Vegas users"

I count maybe 10 or 15 people so far... what's your count?

You seem to be forgetting the fact that Red Giant is pulling out because the sales are too low

"I count maybe 10 or 15 people so far... what's your count?"

Rob, do you actually think the members here in this forum represent everyone that uses Vegas? This is only the tip if the iceberg!

"You seem to be forgetting the fact that Red Giant is pulling out because the sales are too low"

That along with the fact that the programmers at RG said that Vegas was "too buggy."

That along with the fact that the programmers at RG said that Vegas was "too buggy."

Well, with a comment like that - this confirms the belief that the RG engineering team is letting personal preferences influence their decision.

Sure Vegas has a few warts, but then so does all the competition - just scan those forums and you'll find cries there too.

"Rob, do you actually think the members here in this forum represent everyone that uses Vegas? "

No. That representation has already been worked out by...... L*O*W*** S*A*L*E*S

Just like to chip in and add my voice in support of the (perhaps forlorn) hope of having a 64-bit version of MBL for Vegas.
I've been using Vegas since version 3 - I use it most every day, and it's my NLE of choice, mainly because of the workflow speed and the unmatched ability of handling complex audio & multi-track video projects.

I also use MBL for almost every edit I run through Vegas, and although I can still use it in a 32-bit version of Vegas 9 or 10, often now these simply won't render out due to memory issues.
I have many RG products and when they announced the 64-bit versions I immediately purchased the upgrade - only to find no further support for Vegas - a HUGE disappointment.
Whilst I understand that many Vegas users don't use or see the need for MBL, I personally find it an invaluable tool, and mourn the loss.

I went ahead and purchased the CS5 upgrade to Production Premium that I've not had to get so far... it pains me, but I may have to look to suplement my workflow with another NLE.
I hope it won't be neccessary to jump ship completely - I know and love Vegas (and have recommended it to many *many* people), but losing MBL support is a real biggie for me.

"I went ahead and purchased the CS5 upgrade to Production Premium that I've not had to get so far... it pains me, but I may have to look to suplement my workflow with another NLE."

Okay... so that's ONE for sure to jump ship... big loss so far. I think Sony had better wake up and pay attention... we're folding up fast and furious here ;)

"we're folding up fast and furious here "

With around 5% market share we can't afford to loose anyone.
Worse that one will take more with him.

Bob.

Oh please.

You guys are killing me with this "sky is falling" routine.

Sony Vegas exists because of Sony Vegas, not Red Giant. The very fact that Red Giant is pulling out because of lack of business is proof enough of that. Maybe RG should have made things a bit more exciting for Vegas users. They didn't, so it's their own fault. I remember the cut-down version of looks we got with version 7.... what a friggin joke.

To the VERY FEW who threaten to "jump ship" because of it... I say good luck... and we'll see you in a short period of time (people seem to think it's an easy thing to jump ship and start all over with a new nle. It happens every day!... LOL). Look at you for example Bob... you whine and complain about Vegas more than just about anyone else these days.... stiiiiill here aren't you.

And 5% Bob... please.... I doubt we'll even lose 2% over this. The pure fact is that RG wasn't good enough for anybody to even sit up and care to buy into it. I mean they haven't done much new for Sony Vegas since version 7... we're now at version 10. The simple truth is that RG dropped support years ago..... but you go ahead count the number of posts complaining about this over the years.

So you go ahead and have fun with your "the sky is falling" routine if it really makes you happy.

"So you go ahead and have fun with your "the sky is falling" routine if it really makes you happy"

I'm sure not the one saying the "sky is falling".
And yes, I'm still here, so what?
Why do I complain?
Because Vegas could do way better in the marketplace. It's not an easy task and it takes a long time to gain traction and maeup lost ground. What is tragic is the crew who wrote SF and Vegas were in a very good position to still be #1 and they simply dropped the ball.

Bob.