Rendering questions for Verticle videos

Liberty610 wrote on 12/24/2022, 5:44 PM

Hi everyone,

I am running Vegas Pro version 18 and I am obviously not doing something correct with my vertical video renders. So here is my situation.

I have a video I shot vertically on my cell phone. I want to edit some things out of it, and then re-render it as a vertical video so I can drop it back to my cell phone with the edits intact. I am new to doing these vertical videos, so I am sure I not doing something right. Here is the media Info for the video:

Video

ID :1

Format :AVC

Format/Info :Advanced Video Codec

Format profile :High@L5.2

Format settings :CABAC / 1 Ref Frames

Format settings, CABAC :Yes

Format settings, Reference frames :1 frame

Format settings, GOP :M=1, N=60

Codec ID :avc1

Codec ID/Info :Advanced Video Coding

Duration :1 min 40 s

Source duration :1 min 40 s

Bit rate :72.0 Mb/s

Width :3 840 pixels

Height :2 160 pixels

Display aspect ratio :16:9

Rotation :90°

Frame rate mode :Variable

Frame rate :59.674 FPS

Minimum frame rate :59.642 FPS

Maximum frame rate :59.682 FPS

Real frame rate :60.000 FPS

Standard :PAL

Color space :YUV

Chroma subsampling :4:2:0

Bit depth :8 bits

Scan type :Progressive

Bits/(Pixel*Frame) :0.146

Stream size :865 MiB (100%)

Source stream size :865 MiB (100%)

Title :VideoHandle

Language :English

Encoded date :UTC 2022-12-24 02:58:31

Tagged date :UTC 2022-12-24 02:58:31

Color range :Limited

Color primaries :BT.709

Transfer characteristics :BT.709

Matrix coefficients :BT.709

mdhd_Duration :100716

Codec configuration box :avcC

So what I tried doing was what I do when I want to make a horizontal video into a vertical video, and I tried to just reverse the numbers.I went to render, then picked MAGIX AVC/AAC MP$ templates, then selected "Internet UHD 2160p 59.94 fps (NVENC). I then went to "customise template" and I tried making it 2160 x 3840. Vegas automatically capped the 3480 to 2304. The end results was a super small video with a massive black board around it, and I had to pinch and zoom on my cell phone to see everything instead of the video filling my cell phone screen like the original does.

Can someone help me out and tll me what I am doing wrong? Thanks.

Comments

john_dennis wrote on 12/24/2022, 6:09 PM

1. Upgrade to Vegas Pro 20.

2. Deliver 1080x1920.

Liberty610 wrote on 12/24/2022, 6:13 PM

1. Upgrade to Vegas Pro 20.

2. Deliver 1080x1920.

I don't have the funds to upgrade at the moment. I know Vegas 20 has new rendering options for these types of situations (or at least that's what I was told),

Are you saying to upgrade to 20 AND deliver 1080x1920? Or 1080x1920 is my only option right now unless I upgrade to 20?

john_dennis wrote on 12/24/2022, 8:19 PM

Vegas Pro 20 is the current release and is generally available as an upgrade. It has the option of larger project dimensions.

I think the option was introduced in Vegas Pro 19. [edit] Yes, it was...

Delivering greater than 1080p video for phones is probably well into diminishing returns for what people can actually see.

Former user wrote on 12/24/2022, 8:27 PM

@Liberty610 You should be able to edit your metadata to change orientation using something like exiftool. as example I used the command: exiftool -rotation=270 couple.mp4

It depends on where your videos are going, but youtube reads the rotation data, as does my media player

Original

rotated

So the suggestion is to edit your portrait videos on their side in VP18 and render it that way, then alter the metadata of encoded file to have it display in portrait. I don't know how reasonable that would sound to you

3d87c4 wrote on 12/26/2022, 1:26 AM

Set your project settings to correspond to the width and height of your final video.

Adjust the properties of the source video as shown in the video below (using the dimensions of your project, of course).

Render using a render template edited to reflect your desired width and height.

If there are size limitations in V18 you'll need to upgrade or render at a smaller size.

Happy Otter scripts may allow you to render at higher frame sizes than the V18 templates.

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 12/26/2022, 11:29 AM

@Liberty610 I don't have a clip with frame metadata like yours but was able to turn my usual 4k-landscape sideways for edit by changing the rotation setting in both project and clip properties to 90 degrees. That allowed me to size the Preview window without seeing black bars. Not sure if you need to do that if Vegas reads and interprets the rotation from the clip metadata.

Rendering Magix AVC, matching height and width in the render template, didn't put the 90 degree element into metadata, however. And probably cause your cellphone to show black bars and shrink the frame when you put it back. Swapping the length and width fields in the render template should make it display without bars full size on the cellphone... the Magix AVC Portrait render templates do it that way.

EricLNZ wrote on 12/26/2022, 6:13 PM

Swapping the length and width fields in the render template should make it display without bars full size on the cellphone.

Except as the OP pointed out he's using VP18 and "Vegas automatically capped the 3480 to 2304". So swapping will only work with 1080x1920, and not with 2160x3840.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 12/26/2022, 8:32 PM

Oops. Didn't pick up on that. But here's a workaround. Make the custom template in vp20 and save it. Trial version should be able to do that. Just tested with vp18 and the custom template I made with vp20 appeared and worked.

Former user wrote on 12/26/2022, 10:18 PM

And that should mean Voukoder will also work for 2160x3840 in Vp18. I was thinking there was a limitation of project true resolution in VP18, which explained the limitation in customization of render templates but the limitation seems to be artificial.

Liberty610 wrote on 1/6/2023, 1:27 AM

Thanks for all the replies everyone. I ended up pulling the trigger on Vegas 20, so this is no longer an issue. There were some adds in the sale I was offered that I wanted, so I went ahead and upgraded. Thanks again for the replies!