"people like you force people like me to defend my criticisms of Vegas and/or Sony's strategy over and over, offering little other than a very loud "IT'S FINE LIKE IT IS, YOU'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH, YOU'RE JUST NOT USING IT RIGHT" in response."

Please point me to those posts of me saying, "IT'S FINE LIKE IT IS", "YOU'RE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH", and "YOU'RE JUST NOT USING IT RIGHT". You're reading too much between the lines, because I have NEVER said anything like this. Please post some links to those messages. I gave work arounds, to YOUR problem. Read that again "YOUR" problem. I in no way didn't say it was fine, or criticized your post for suggesting it. I'm the one getting criticized because I give you a work around, and then get called childish names because I'm working in an archaec fashion. Sorry, I'm getting work done and offering YOU advice, which you don't want to listen too. Sorry, for even giving you any advice. This is afterall a "USER FORUM", where "USERS" offer other "USERS" advice. It's NOT your personal, bitch at Sony, cry and whine for features forum. There's a user SUGGESTION link for that. Use the correct medium. You're acting like a child. You say, I want the blue yo yo...sorry Junior they only have the red yo yo, how is this? NO!!! NO!!! I want the blue yo yo...cry pout..stomp your feet. Then we have Tmrpro, who was part of the beta testing team. Didn't say a word about input monitoring latency before release....infact he didn't even know where to look for the auto input switch, to try it out and see if it works correctly for him. I did, and it works for my workflow....maybe I'm not doing the same kind of work as him or the same type of monitoring setup...so it works for me. Obviously, it doesn't work for his workflow. I guess he blew his opportunity to say anything before the product launched, but feels the need to come in these forums, where the rest of us have to listen to the complaining....shame on him, not me. You should be griping at him, for not speaking up soon enough for the common problem that YOU and OTHERS seem to be having. Why do I have to listen to the complaining when he blew his golden opportunity to say anything during beta testing? I am not "forcing" you to defend anything. If you can't handle a work around solution to YOUR problem and another piece of software solves YOUR problem, then I suggest you use that other piece of software, instead of using this "USER FORUM" as your PERSONAL venting place. It's this type of behavior that takes away from the whole constuctive conversations of other users helping other users. I wish the Sony engineers, didn't even post in these forums anymore, because it just opens the doors for the personal complainers like yourself, trying to prove a point. They need to make another forum, called the "crybaby complain to Sony forum". That way the users that come in here and help each other on a regular basis, don't have to listen to the constant complaining about what the program doesn't have that YOU need.

Furthermore, Sony offers a FREE demo download of all their products. It is your responsibility to try that demo out and make sure it fits YOUR workflow, before you purchase the product. If you choose to purchase the product after that and it doesn't meet all your expectations, you have no one to blame but yourself. So if Vegas, doesn't have rewire, and doesn't have midi, and doesn't have ASIO DM, and you need those features for YOUR workflow, you have no one else to blame, but yourself. I'm sorry, if you can't make the right decisions in choosing a product that meets your workflow. Sorry, it meets mine, if it didn't I would have purchased something else...call me an idiot if you want, but it just makes logical sense to me.

Also, why don't you guys go back through to the top of this thread? The original post was seeking the advantage of getting V5 over already having V2. I clearly listed the features that V5 got on the audio side over V2. What have you done in this thread? You and Tmrpro, totally sidetracked the discussion to ASIO DM and Midi workflow complaints. Now who is being disruptive to the forum? You or Tmrpro, have not yet even said any advantages of having V5 over V2, instead you decide to sidestep the post completely and send it in some other tangent, that has NOTHING to do with the original post. So again, your PERSONAL complaints take presidence over any other conversation going on in these forums. and I'm the one being disruptive to constructive criticism? Start your own thread, and start your own constructive criticism, don't take every post on this forum and send it off somewhere else for your OWN personal venting ground.

Fine by me. I do this on my own time and not out of any demand from my supervisors or as part of my job duties.

I officially resign my presence on this forum - for good.

I wash my hands of the forums. Waste far too much time with them anyway.

Peter

Red Said
1. Then we have Tmrpro, who was part of the beta testing team. Didn't say a word about input monitoring latency before release

1. How do you know what I said and didn't say Red? Are you in the mailing loop? were you on the phone with me and Dave? I've apologized for my shortfalls and I've given you links to dated documentation concerning my position on the Direct Monitoring thing that verifies I said what I said dated over a FREAKING YEAR AGO!!!

Now that sucks

Oh Pro, you forgot one link to post for everyone:
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=19&MessageID=271658

oh..the date on that post....4/20/04....and Tmrpro...didn't even know where to find the "auto-input" switch. Hmmmm? 4/20 was after the release of Vegas 5.0....now I wonder where I got the information that you never even used it, until after it was released? Probably, because I'm able to figure out, if you don't even know how to properly turn it on, then I guess you would not have tried it out previously.

I officially resign my presence on this forum - for good.

I really hate to see that. Peter I've always greatly appreciated an respected you time on the forums. I knew you put your personal time in here as I've seen you post on Sundays.

I hope you reconsider and not let the actions of a few affect you. The personal attack on you was incredibly rude by VegUser and I don't blame you for getting irritated but those of us that frequent this forum on a regular basis know how valuable your presence here has been.

MJ

JoeD wins...everybody else loses!

Yeah. I kinda think having Peter here is one of the reasons that many of us stick around at all. At least it gives us one person in a huge, huge corporation that is involved in developing the products who is willing to take his own time to listen to and post to these forums.

VegUser: In case you didn't notice it is a giant corporation. If you think for one minute that engineers tell the corporation what the products will consist of you are sadly mistaken. If you really want to know who the average Vegas user is, check the Vegas Video forum. I doubt that they are all screaming for the same features that we are, but I estimate they constitute 90% of Vegas users. So, no matter how loud we all scream, we are just a very small voice when you look at the buyers ($) of Vegas.

I completely understand where you are coming from. I think we all do, otherwise we would have given up on Vegas already. We all love it so much that we are arguing about it with each other. I think we all want it to be the best Audio DAW on the market, including Peter! But, unfortunately a quick reality check is necessary. If the program doesn't have the features that you need right now, then I would go with another. I wouldn't hold out a lot of hope. But who knows. Corporations make weird decisions all the time. They might make a whole new product (DAW) or they may give up on the market altogether.

If you need a sure bet for a DAW, I would go find a company that that is all they do. I wouldn't push out the one person who is at least trying to help.

"I officially resign my presence on this forum - for good."

Thank you!!! I'm tired of wading through the personal attacks on Sony engineers on a daily basis, when I know damn well you're just here to listen for users feedback. It's unfortunate users feel the need to personally attack you and sidestep every post, for what they feel are short comings of Vegas. Maybe there's a need for this, my suggestion is to create a new forum where users can go and complain all they want, and other users that are here to get assistance in actually using the program don't have to read all the complaining and get criticized for offering a workable suggestion.

Red Said:
Oh Pro, you forgot one link to post for everyone:

Ok you moron!!! How in the F&*K did you deduce my inability to find an Auto-Input button from this?

Peter Said:
Fine by me. I do this on my own time and not out of any demand from my supervisors or as part of my job duties.

Because JD leaned on you?

Come On!

How whimpy is that?

Everyone needs a little love every once in a while ..... JD's just giving you some love...

;~)

Keep dancing and sidesteping Pro, you're pretty good at that. I bet you have a pair of balarina tap shoes too and tie your hair up into a little bun with that dancing act. I bet you look really cute. Like I've said, a million times and you keep reinforcing, "you're the only pro who has ever used any hardware, and you're the only one who knows how it works." The rest of us would never get any work done if it wasn't for your existance. Thanks for coming in and helping, I would have never have gotten any work done in my entire career, if it wasn't for you. Oh how I thank you....Thank you....Thank you....oh and Thank you.....oh did I forget?...Thank you. You're the greatest....oh but you already knew that....but let me Thank you one more time anyways.....Thank you.

>> Click Here for a Verbal Response

OK, i'm letting my mischevious side show through here ...

Todd, if that's the quality of the recordings you're producing in your studio, then i've got something here for you. It's a Panasonic cassette dictation recorder with built-in microphone. It fits in the palm of your hand and runs on a couple of AA batteries. It doesn't have any noise reduction and only uses Type-I tapes, but hey, it has high speed playback! All things considered, it would probably serve your uses better than a DAW would.

I'm not intending to be mean here at all, but you have to be honest and face the fact that anything that cost you more than $10 would be a total waste for the material you're producing.

Red Said:
Keep dancing and sidesteping Pro, you're pretty good at that. I bet you have a pair of balarina tap shoes too and tie your hair up into a little bun with that dancing act. I bet you look really cute. Like I've said, a million times and you keep reinforcing, "you're the only pro who has ever used any hardware, and you're the only one who knows how it works." The rest of us would never get any work done if it wasn't for your existance. Thanks for coming in and helping, I would have never have gotten any work done in my entire career, if it wasn't for you. Oh how I thank you....Thank you....Thank you....oh and Thank you.....oh did I forget?...Thank you. You're the greatest....oh but you already knew that....but let me Thank you one more time anyways.....Thank you.

I don't know how you figure I'm "dancing".... But I still would like to know about your career .... you mean your High School Teaching gig or your part-time HH Gregg car stereo installer gig...

Nevertheless... You are very welcomed for all of the intelligent information that I specifically spelled out for you and the developers of Vegas. Because, in case you didn't notice, the information I provided for Sony was used and implemented, precisely the way I spelled it out, in Nuendo...

This Sucks

Oh and again if I didn't do it enough....Thank you. Oh, and I think I will have fries with that today....Thank you.

Thank you again

Chienworks Said:
Todd, if that's the quality of the recordings you're producing in your studio, then i've got something here for you. It's a Panasonic cassette dictation recorder with built-in microphone. It fits in the palm of your hand and runs on a couple of AA batteries. It doesn't have any noise reduction and only uses Type-I tapes, but hey, it has high speed playback! All things considered, it would probably serve your uses better than a DAW would.

Where's that come from, Kelly?

If you are referring to the MP3 that was recorded off of a Beavis & Butthead Joke box that runs on two AA batteries..... you're right....

But if you want to play Kelly .... Why don't you take a listen to the last number one single I recorded; "By Your Side" off of the Curb Record's release "My Heart Knows" which held the number one position on the Christian Inspirational Charts for 5 weeks and is still at # 13:

Radio & Records Online

But I won't post a high quality MP3 on your stupid website .... if you want to hear it ..... go buy the album at Walmart ...Maybe you and your lover Red can have a little buttering party together when you listen to it and make fun of it.

I've been recording high quality audio long enough to justify my position ....How 'bout you?

"But if you want to play Kelly .... Why don't you take a listen to the last number one single I recorded; "By Your Side" off of the Curb Record's release "My Heart Knows" which held the number one position on the Christian Inspirational Charts for 5 weeks and is still at # 13:"

Oh Thank you again. That is so inspirational, we all are so envious. Number 5 on Christian Inspirational Charts!? Wow!!!! I know those Christian inspirational sales are astronomical. How many sales did that take to make #5 on that huge playlist? You're right, you are the pro. Thank you again!!!!! Oh and if I haven't said it enough yet, "Thank you". I've only made TV commercials that have been viewed across the entire nation to an audience of over a million people with spending budgets near $1million. I only have inspirations to one day record a #5 single for Curb records. Please, tell me more, so I can one day meet my dreams of being a big time engineer for curb records too.

Red Said:
I only have inspirations to one day record a #5 single for Curb records. Please, tell me more, so I can one day meet my dreams of being a big time engineer for curb records too.

Like I said; when you throw stones from a glass building (or can't read without your reading glasses).... Try Again Red .... Number One for 5 weeks which ... BTW was the second single from that album that spent over 5 weeks at #1 on the charts...

But I'm still trying to do those million dollar national spots ..... Oh.....wait a second I forgot ....; I had national jingles running on radio & TV 15 years ago that I wrote, arranged, recorded & produced .... but man .... I still would like to try to be as kewl as you, Red....

One thing you all need to know, I don't visit the boards as much as others.
I didn't know that by typing SONY_PCH_ I am only talking to "one" individual here.
I thought any reply from a sf\sony employee was automatically "SONY_PCH_(name here).

To Sony_PCH: You have my apologies for singling you out. Others here obviously want and need you here and I don't visit enough and don't want to ruin that for these guys. youhave my aplogies for singling you out whoever you are.

However...
I find it very hard to believe that SF\SONY doesn't listen to it's best source - it's current user base here at this msg board.
You mean to tell me NOBODY ELSE cares about any important feature\bug related posts here???? Only you?

Can you in any way find out WHY that is? This is the first time I"ve heard of a company overlooking free and valuable information. I find it hard to believe - but there MUST be a reason why.

Well I think I know damn well why Vegas will never evolve (that extra inch) to becoming THE daw application to use....nobody's EVER listening.
Why didn't anybody from sf or sony just say this?
I guess "random features" are really all that ever happened.

Is there ANYBODY over there interested in knowing how much an effect vegas can be to the daw community as well (more $) with going that extra small yard (incorporating the lacking key features mentioned OVER AND OVER here)?
Is there any way to inform ANYBODY over there the growing number of home studios now?

You have THE BEST UI for a DAW (and video users)...and it's all for the video heads only from here on out huh?

Why do you even care about updating Sforge? CDA? or Acid...then?
Why would you spend money on updating these titles knowing that NOBODY there will ever listen or care about the fact Vegas "can be" the top selling DAW application, but is now only gearing itself towards video heads? Those are audio apps are they not?

Don't leave on my account. If this is the true reply, then "I'LL" be the one to leave (knowing what I know now about Sony\SF).

JD

JD,

Even I appreciate your apology.... But ... I seriously doubt Peter will bail on a little bit of vocal disarray...

Don't sweat it .... These guys are all adults and a very powerful thread such as this, should be motivating instead of overwhelming.

If not, .......So Be It...

Hi Guys!

I'm a Vegas 5 user, for VIDEO. However, I'm originally an audio person, and use Logic when I record.

I had a spare hour, and came for a look at this forum. And what an entertaining hour it was!

Seems to me that everyone has their point of view, and fair enough too. What gets me is that you have a product ie Vegas 5, and it is what it is. No more, no less. If what it is isn't acceptable ie recording latency, don't use it, go use something else that is acceptable to you.

Don't bitch and moan and insult people because they don't agree with you. This surely is a forum to supply answers to problems people are having with Vegas. If the problem can't be solved, so be it, but again: This is the program we have. Use it, or don't use it. What you want in it in future belongs elsewhere.

Me, I'll stick with Logic for audio. Why? because I know how to get it to do all the things I need it to do. Why change?

Vegas rocks for Video. As for audio, I'll probably never find out.

Veguser: Your insults to Sony_PCH were unnecessary, and have alienated someone who has probably forgotten more about Vegas than you'll ever know. Good Job! (sarcasm intended)

Now, is there any questions that need answering? Let's get back to that shall we?

Andy

I have a hit single on a Christian chart. I have national commercials. I did that 15 years ago. I'm bigger. No I'm bigger.

Sounds like you guys are both doing just fine despite any Vegas shortcomings you might encounter. Did you record any of your chart topping music in Vegas? If not, then why do you care what Vegas can and can't do. You seem quite successful doing just what you are doing.

So kwitcher whining.

Oh, by the way, I just finished an 18 song children's CD recorded almost exclusively in Vegas and I'm putting the finishing touches of several videos. I've done so much in Vegas that it hurts and you know what? Its brought happiness to me and thousands of others and I don't measure it in sales.

See, I can piss too, just not as far as you.