System Upgrade 2023

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/3/2024, 2:45 AM

@john_dennis,

what type of footage are you editing? Your ASUS ProArt 31.5" 1440p HDR10 Monitor PA328QV is not even a HD monitor but only WQHD, and even if it can HDR10, I think it is great for SDR (since calibrated) but nor for HDR?

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * GTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

john_dennis wrote on 4/3/2024, 7:32 AM

@Wolfgang S.

I use UHD and HD media from my Sony RX10-IV camera. No HDR here. I never get to see UHD in preview.*

* I just replaced a Sony UHD TV from the family room. That could change.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/3/2024, 8:35 AM

For UHD, I think it would be a good idea to apply an UHD monitor. Good if you change that.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * GTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

RogerS wrote on 4/3/2024, 8:55 AM

Does the resolution matter so much? Is it to get sharpening or other details right?

I also have a high-end 1440P SDR monitor that I use for editing and output videos mostly as HD but sometimes UHD.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

stevecrye wrote on 4/4/2024, 10:10 PM

A bit off-topic, but it relates to my monitor(s) choice for new builds.

All my delivery is for YouTube. No HDR(at least for now). I have two old Dell Ultrasharp 1900x1600 monitors. For YT, the color grading is very subjective. I'm one of a small minority of PG pilots who shoot with the GoPro in "flat" mode, (instead of the default horribly saturated and contrasty modes with horribly crushed blacks right out of the camera) and add a touch of contrast and saturation in post. I arrived at my color grading settings by trial and error, tweaking, uploading and watching on various devices until I got something that I liked. YT looks very different on my big OLED TV vs my Samsung S22 Ultra vs computer monitors. And not even going into horrible ways YT messes with the video levels, crushing blacks, etc.

 

Although scopes are fun, years ago I settled on some color correction presets that result in the videos looking close to what my brain remembered about the day. In practical terms, it means rendering the output slightly washed out, because right now YT seems to add saturation and contrast. This might change - it has changed a lot since 2008 when I created my first channel.

PG pilots mostly watch videos on phones. Although I don't mind followers, I mostly shoot, end and render for me, for watching 2160p 60fps on my big TV. When the weather is unflyable, a good way to scratch the itch of Sky-crack addiction is to watch PG porn, so I watch a lot of my own content and hope for better flying conditions soon.

So, at least for me, a super-accurate monitor is not a priority.

Steve

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V20 build 411 Windows 11 22H3 on ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi, i9-14900O with 64 GB G.Skill DDR5 XMP. On board graphics is Intel UHD 770, discrete graphics ASUS AMD Dual Radeon RX 7600 XT OC 16GB.  Boot drive Seagate IronWolf 110 980GB, Vegas Project drive Samsung 870 EVO 4TB, Vegas Temp drive Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drive Performance SSHD .
Cameras: Various GoPro, Panasonic GH6 with an assortment of Panasonic Leica lenses.

stevecrye wrote on 4/4/2024, 10:12 PM

On a lighter note. Performance of the i9-13900K.

How is your H115i handling the cooling task? What kind of CPU temps are you seeing during renders? I'm a little worried my H115i won't be able to keep up with the i9-14900K.

V20 build 411 Windows 11 22H3 on ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi, i9-14900O with 64 GB G.Skill DDR5 XMP. On board graphics is Intel UHD 770, discrete graphics ASUS AMD Dual Radeon RX 7600 XT OC 16GB.  Boot drive Seagate IronWolf 110 980GB, Vegas Project drive Samsung 870 EVO 4TB, Vegas Temp drive Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drive Performance SSHD .
Cameras: Various GoPro, Panasonic GH6 with an assortment of Panasonic Leica lenses.

RogerS wrote on 4/4/2024, 10:39 PM

Just limit wattage in bios if the temps are too high with CPU-only renders. (First I'd do stress testing with Intel Extreme Tuning and make sure the system is stable).

For outputting video make sure it's 16-235. VEGAS in 8-bit full or 32-bit full mode should render this by default and match YouTube closely on the same monitor. I'd calibrate the monitor using a hardware tool (I have an i1Display Pro) to get the gamma and colors right.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

john_dennis wrote on 4/5/2024, 1:33 AM

@stevecrye said:

"How is your H115i handling the cooling task?"

It's doing just fine. I don't even have the Corsair software loaded in this system image because I control for Core Temp in UEFI.

"What kind of CPU temps are you seeing during renders?"

I'm seeing the exact CPU temps that I control for in UEFI.

When I built the system, I loaded XTU and all the measurement tools as shown in this post.*

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/system-upgrade-2023--137456/?page=3#ca877137

* I've since raised the control point to 70 degrees C.

"I'm a little worried my H115i won't be able to keep up with the i9-14900K."

It might not if you don't take active measures to limit total power at the individual core level because of the thermal resistance of the top of the CPU. Since I have a decent thermal control mechanism set in UEFI, I don't worry about it. Or check, for that matter.

stevecrye wrote on 4/10/2024, 11:34 PM

Hi,

The ProArt Z790, i9-14900K, 64GB DDR5 and new H115i have arrived. Earlier in the week I successfully upgraded my system to Windows 11 22H2. I already have iCUE installed, but I will also set those temp limits in UEFI.

Now all that needs to be done prior to the surgery is to download the latest BIOS for the motherboard to a USB flash drive, so I'll be ready to do the BIOS flashback to make sure that I've got a new enough version to support the i9-14900K.

Wish me luck!

Steve

V20 build 411 Windows 11 22H3 on ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi, i9-14900O with 64 GB G.Skill DDR5 XMP. On board graphics is Intel UHD 770, discrete graphics ASUS AMD Dual Radeon RX 7600 XT OC 16GB.  Boot drive Seagate IronWolf 110 980GB, Vegas Project drive Samsung 870 EVO 4TB, Vegas Temp drive Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drive Performance SSHD .
Cameras: Various GoPro, Panasonic GH6 with an assortment of Panasonic Leica lenses.

john_dennis wrote on 4/11/2024, 12:05 AM

Take pictures and save incremental system images.

https://www.macrium.com/products/home

Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/11/2024, 1:23 AM

Does the resolution matter so much? Is it to get sharpening or other details right?

I also have a high-end 1440P SDR monitor that I use for editing and output videos mostly as HD but sometimes UHD.

If one uses an HD monitor for UHD, there is always the danger to miss that something will not be sharp. My experience at least.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * GTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Resolve Studio 18 * Edius X* Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED * internal HDR preview * i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE * 32 GB Ram) * Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB * internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor * Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG-K 1600 nits, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius 4.6 and other systems

Dexcon wrote on 4/11/2024, 7:28 AM

 

If one uses an HD monitor for UHD, there is always the danger to miss that something will not be sharp. 

Ditto with audio. I've long have had to sound design 5.1 surround sound in Vegas Pro but using stereo output from VP to an amp to do it - Ugh!

At least with working with UHD video with an UHD monitor,where the destination will be HD BD (my decade old JVC projector is only HD - it's nearly time to upgrade), I know that the image I see on the UHD monitor will not be as great in HD BD - but its still a great picture But the advantage in editing UHD for HD is that pan/cropping an image can be zoomed in by as much as 75% and still retain HD resolution.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 & 21, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 18.5, BCC 2023.5, Mocha Pro 2023, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

stevecrye wrote on 4/14/2024, 8:15 PM

Hi @john_dennis

The assembly of the upgraded system is complete and I can use it. Still engaged in tweaking, and I've had some problems. I should probably start a new thread for that, I don't want to hijack yours. When I do start the new thread, I'll be sure to put a link to it here in this one so that y'all can find it easier.

 

I'm trying to find the BIOS settings that you used for limiting the CPU load based on temperature. Can you do me a favor and reply with the pass inside the BIOS to get to those settings? Thanks!

Steve

V20 build 411 Windows 11 22H3 on ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi, i9-14900O with 64 GB G.Skill DDR5 XMP. On board graphics is Intel UHD 770, discrete graphics ASUS AMD Dual Radeon RX 7600 XT OC 16GB.  Boot drive Seagate IronWolf 110 980GB, Vegas Project drive Samsung 870 EVO 4TB, Vegas Temp drive Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drive Performance SSHD .
Cameras: Various GoPro, Panasonic GH6 with an assortment of Panasonic Leica lenses.

stevecrye wrote on 4/17/2024, 1:22 AM

With some much appreciated hand-holding from @john_dennis , I have a stable, upgraded system and have been running some benchmarks. I am pleased so far, because I have doubled my rendering speed and I think I can go even higher once I finish some tweaking.

As far as benchmarks, the CPU and memory is very fast, scoring in the 99th percentile on PassMark, and two days ago had the highest marks on Cinebench. Overall, my system gets poor scores on Passmark because I'm not running any kind of NVRe M.2 drives. That's something that I'll experiment with later, right now Vegas does not seem to be IO bound so it's not a high priority for me.

The experience has been moderately stressful for me, because it turns out that the Gigabyte AMD Radeon RX 7600 XT that had worked fine in my 2017 system, simply could not be recognized by the new Asus ProArt Creator Wi-Fi motherboard. Finally I gave up, and as a temporary measure installed my good old trusty RX 570 just so I would have a working computer while I returned the Gigabyte GPU to Amazon and ordered a nearly identical one, but ASUS branded. That card arrived today, was immediately detected and after about 4 hours of tweaking I finally had things stable enough to run some benchmarks.

I started the upgrade Friday at noon and it was quite an exhausting 5 day struggle to get to where I am now. It was a good thing the ProArt has integrated graphics because until I realized that the Gigabyte graphics card was not being recognized, at first I thought the motherboard was not completing its power on self test. Finally I dragged a television into the computer room and plugged it directly into the motherboard and then I was able to at least do some troubleshooting and figure out what was going on.

Steve

V20 build 411 Windows 11 22H3 on ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi, i9-14900O with 64 GB G.Skill DDR5 XMP. On board graphics is Intel UHD 770, discrete graphics ASUS AMD Dual Radeon RX 7600 XT OC 16GB.  Boot drive Seagate IronWolf 110 980GB, Vegas Project drive Samsung 870 EVO 4TB, Vegas Temp drive Seagate FireCuda 2TB Solid State Hybrid Drive Performance SSHD .
Cameras: Various GoPro, Panasonic GH6 with an assortment of Panasonic Leica lenses.

john_dennis wrote on 5/22/2024, 6:38 PM

I planned to upgrade the network link from my edit workstation to my media server to 10 gigabit since before the 2023 hardware refresh. Though the priority was low and the price of 10gb network gear was high in 2023, I completed the task today.

TRENDnet 6-Port 10G Switch, 4 x 2.5G RJ-45 BASE-T Ports, 2 x 10G RJ-45 Ports, 60Gbps Switching Capacity

10G PCIE To RJ45 Marvell AQC113 PCIeX4 Gigabit Ethernet LAN Adapter

At this point, the transfer rate between the two devices appears to be constrained by disk speed and possibly system speed of the media server.

Bulk transfer of files from Media Server to Z790

Bulk transfer of files from Z790 to the Desktop of the Media Server

I know, based on these results, I could have used a Multi-gig 2.5 gb switch and PCIe ethernet adapter, but everything will be upgraded someday. With the switch that I chose:

  • I have the potential for a 10 gigabit connection when all other system constraints are removed.
  • I used existing wiring that I ran myself.
  • I have three 2.5 gb ports left for devices that I add in the future.
  • I freed up ports on the gigabit network for other rooms.
  • The current i7-3770(k) based media server doesn't support NVMe disks.
john_dennis wrote on 8/15/2024, 12:53 PM

Comments on Intel 13nnn/14nnn processor issues:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/intel-i9-13900k-and-14900k-cpu-s--146644/?page=3#ca923144