@weinerschizel Thanks for testing that... my observation was only theoretical but I did work low-level programming for a whole lotta years, including FileIO studying to optimize our code, so I suppose it was an informed theory ;-)

If the router and internal routing on your computer all both smart enough to give equal weight to both network paths (computer to router, and router to switch both of which have two ports) then theoretically if two different files are opened then maybe they'd use different paths and give double the speed. My guess is that once the file is opened by the OS to the NAS, the router will only use that same connection until it's closed. Possibly in a multi-cam situation you could indeed see double the throughput still! (if file I/O was the biggest bottleneck to production)

 I have long wondered if I shouldn't overclock. My CPU is liquid cooled. The GPU has two fans, not sure how much they'll allow overclocking.

@weinerschizel I don't overclock my cpus... happy just to get full turbo-boost out of them.

You can try overclocking. MSI Afterburner works for GPUs. I used it with various 3DMark tests to see how far I could go. With Port Royale I got tearing and crashes beyond 600 Mhz.

For the CPU I added a bit of voltage and got up to 5.5Ghz with 1 to 2 cores in use vs 5.1 stock and all P cores over stock boost speeds.

With water cooling you could sustain more boost on more cores as I'm trying to keep wattage under 200 as above that temps climb too much. The exact numbers will vary from i5 to i7 and i9 of course.

Thanks for the tips everybody! Very helpful :)

@RedRob-CandlelightProdctns

Network adapter "teaming" is/was routinely done with data center servers where the network switches could sustain greater transfer rates than any single port. Gigabit ports were/are teamed on switches with 10 Gb aggregate bandwidths. I won't guess what the uplink bandwidths are these days since they no longer pay me to do so. 10Gb uplinks were standard fare when I stopped doing it.

SOHO switches probably only sustain one full bandwidth connection.

On a lighter note. Performance of the i9-13900K.

"System Upgrade 2023" - A fitting post name for me as well; as of today I upgraded my processor from i9-12900K to i9-13900K on my current system!

What are you going to do with the 12900K?

@john_dennis  My old i9-12900K (alder lake) will replace the i7 (alder lake) currently in my son's PC. The i7 itself will be probably sold.

After a few weeks with this machine, I decided to share my Power, Cooling, Performance and Reliability settings:

In BIOS, after loading the ASUS Optimized Defaults:

1) I Set Maximum CPU Temperature to 65 degrees C. (You could pick your own poison.)

2) Ensure that ASUS Multicore Enhancement is set to AUTO - Let BIOS Optimize.

3) Adjust CPU Core Voltage Offset to -0.120. (I'm currently running at -0.140)

My Cinebench R23 Single Core Performance:

My Cinebench R23 All Core Performance:

Vegas FHD Render Performance:

Vegas UHD Render Performance:

I chose to control for the maximum individual core temperature because the temperatures that I was seeing with the Intel / ASUS OTB settings are insane for long run reliability. All the algorithms to limit temperature for any core are already built into the CPU and BIOS, the limits are just too high for us mortals.

Reference

A Tuning Guide for Beginners

From the guide: (I'm clearly in the Commercial User camp even if the goal is avoiding spending on burned out processors and motherboards.)

"There are 3 types of users:
- Enthusiast: Is the one who doesn't stop fiddling with the settings and his goal is to learn more and more, always trying to get the most out of the system.
In this case, this guide will help you start the process, and your experience will probably never end. Once you've mastered one subject, you'll soon move on to another, and by the time you get the most out of one platform, you're probably already considering buying a newer MB and a newer generation CPU.
Your game is overclocking, and gaming is a way to test the system.

- Commercial user: It is the one who uses the equipment in some business to earn money. In this case, it is best to find a very stable and energy efficient configuration. The best thing would be to keep the default clocks (or even reduce them a little) and make an under-voltage without compromising system stability.

- The Gamer: Aim for fun. The gamer usually looks for a configuration with the best possible performance, but does not want to keep tweaking the system indefinitely.
 

Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU)

Cinebench R23

Core Temp

@bitman @Hulk

These temps are quite conservative though for water cooling not so unreasonable. The CPU itself won't throttle until 100C.

Maximum wattage and frequency are quite low here for what an i9 can do but if you're happy with the performance that's good enough. In Cinebench voltage seems higher than what I'd expect give the wattage and frequency. I'd guess fan noise is quite low, too.

@RogerS

I originally planned to thermal throttle at 80 degrees, but decided to see how low I could go.

I took a 6.5% hit to Vegas UHD render time going from throttling at 100 degrees to 65 degrees.

ASUS/Intel Out of the Box Settings

Individual CPU Core Temperature Limited to 65C Voltage Reduced 130mv

I've yet to see two cores or less reach 65 degrees, but my room is 20 degrees in the winter and 25.5 degrees in the summer.

This month, I replaced my 24 inch monitor with the ASUS PA328QV ProArt 31.5" 1440p HDR10 Monitor. The pixel pitch is ~ the same as the old monitor with more pixels and more screen area. I'm not doing any scaling when working with video and photo editors.

I have the monitor on a KVM with a system running office applications where I do scale to 125% at 2048x1152.

Unimplemented, but not forgotten, is the 10Gbe network connection from my edit workstation to the media server.

I'm getting my money's worth from this hardware and Vegas Pro 21.

Now, I'm going to go drink coffee and watch Meet the Press.

As of this date, I can see no compelling reason to buy the i9-12900K over an i7-13700K.

Comparison

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/compare.html?productIds=230500,134599

i9-12900K Price = $499.90 i7-13700K Price = $449.99

I've almost finalized my parts list. I need to get a new cooler, because my old one doesn't have a plate that will fit the LGA 1700 socket, I need to get that new Proart z790 motherboard, and I need to buy the ddr5 memory for it. The processor choice is still undergoing research. I found this site that allows easy comparisons with some interesting charts.

https://versus.com/en/intel-core-i7-14700k-vs-intel-core-i9-14900k

Trying to decide between these.

This might be my last build ever, at my age you know the old joke you don't buy ripe bananas. So I'm thinking about going for the I9.

John, what did you finally get?

On a lighter note. Performance of the i9-13900K.

John, can you do me a favor and measure the dimensions of the I/O module on the Z790? I'm worried it is too big to fit in the cut-out on the rear of my case. I'm not sure if those IO modules are standardized on an ATX motherboard. The one on my Prime x299-a fits precisely in the cutout on my extra large Corsair tower case.

Thanks

Steve

" I'm not sure if those IO modules are standardized on an ATX motherboard. The one on my Prime x299-a fits precisely in the cutout on my extra large Corsair tower case."

Just order the parts.

My Final System 2023

My main system:
Motherboard: ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K - Core i9 13th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E) P-core Base Frequency: 3.0 GHz E-core Base Frequency: 2.2 GHz LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071513900K
GPU: Currently intel on-die video adapter
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Desktop Memory Model CMK64GX5M2B5600C40
Disk O/S & Programs: WD Black SN850 NVMe SSD WDS100T1X0E - SSD - 1 TB - PCIe 4.0 x4 (NVMe)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: CORSAIR - iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT 280mm Radiator CPU Liquid Cooling System
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Realtek S1220A on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: ASUS ProArt 31.5" 1440p HDR10 Monitor PA328QV
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 10.0.19045 Build 19045

I ordered the ProArt and the new H115i Elite. I've almost finalized my decision on the ddr5 memory. Still looking closely at which processor to order.

If the board doesn't fit in my case that's going to be a huge problem. I wish they would publish the specifications of the size of the I/O module.

"I wish they would publish the specifications of the size of the I/O module."

Read Section 3.3.5 Back Panel I/O of the ATX Specification Version 2.2 here:

https://web.archive.org/web/20120725150314/http://www.formfactors.org/developer/specs/atx2_2.pdf

OK, everything is ordered. G.SKILL F5-5600J2834F32GX2-TZ5RS 2x 32GB XMP , Corsair H115i Elite AIO cooler, Intel® CoreTM i9-14900K, ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI . I must be insane.

It will be a while before I get the courage to start the surgery on my stable Prime X299-A . I hate messing with computers, (I have Pauli effect bad) .Now wishing I had not upgraded it to 32 GB RAM last month. Oh Well.

Steve

@john_dennis Regarding the on-die Intel® UHD Graphics 770 that comes on your i9. Does it's output come out the back of the Z790 on the HDMI port? Is there a way to run multiple monitors?

I'm still planning on installing my AMD RX 7600 XT, but I'm very curious about the CPU graphics support. I'm wondering if both can co-exist.

Steve

You can plug a monitor in straight to your motherboard via HDMI. I did this with my MSI z690 and was how I set the system up initially.

Once you get a GPU you'll run the cables to the GPU but the on-processor decoding can still work in VEGAS. I use QSV decoding with my NVIDIA GPU doing everything else.