Sorry John, am not media savy re Google Drive etc...lol.....old school here I am afraid,

Looked in mediainfo and it reports the file as MPEG-4 not MP4, would that make a difference ?

@James-Menday MPEG-4 is a codec type and MP4 is a file type. An easy confusion.

We need the Mediainfo to see exactly what is in your problem files or a sample file uploaded to a file sharing site, as per John Dennis's post.

@James-Menday, try this quick fix and let us know:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/problem-after-updating-vegas-22-does-not-open-mp-4-mpeg-4-video-codec--147643/?page=1#ca928878

Eric, John and Set, thanks for your assistance, I have used the quick fix Set, and has worked.

All I have to do now is find out how to input DVCam footage into Vegas, any thoughts here ?

Looks like its a good purchase which I will more than likely do once I have a new PC, which is being built at present.

I used to have an Avid video editor which was very good, but now alas so out of date.

Thanks again all.

James

... how to input DVCam footage into Vegas

A similar question was recently asked on the forum:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/cannot-capture-video--147601/

Unfortunately, the answer is that importing MiniDV video into Vegas Pro hasn't been possible for over 5 years since Vegas Pro 17.

If you've got another program that can import MiniDV video, import using that as the capture device and then import the captures into Vegas Pro 22. Though I haven't done it for a while, if I need to import MiniDVD video, I have to drag out a 10+ years old XP computer with firewire and import using ULead Video Studio.

@James-Menday as @Dexcon mentioned VPro cannot import MiniDV anymore AND also your new PC will not have the necessary Firewire input. So it's wise to keep your old PC for doing miniDV capture jobs and as I can remember there was always a Microsoft DVcapture app present under Windows XP which worked quite well. The DV captures can than easily be transferred to your new PC for further editing with Vpro22.

Which camcorder or deck do you have to transfer the tapes.

If you don't have the necessary hardware and you only have a few tapes probably simpler to get transferred by some company that does that.

Which camcorder or deck do you have to transfer the tapes.

Hello Johnny-s

my deck is a Sony DSR1500AP, which has component output - so an issue with getting them into a firewire socket!

Unfortunately I have over ten years of DVCam tapes to wade through, so need to do this in house.

I have found in my collection a 'TV One' DV-Analog Convertor box which has component in and firewire out. When the new pc arrives I will give it a go. Hoping it will do it.

cheers

James

 

 

@James-Menday as @Dexcon mentioned VPro cannot import MiniDV anymore AND also your new PC will not have the necessary Firewire input. So it's wise to keep your old PC for doing miniDV capture jobs and as I can remember there was always a Microsoft DVcapture app present under Windows XP which worked quite well. The DV captures can than easily be transferred to your new PC for further editing with Vpro22.

The computer builder has said they can fit a firewire 'in' board to the new PC under 'Windows 11 legacy' - whatever that is...lol

I must admit, I liked XP Pro....

The computer builder has said they can fit a firewire 'in' board to the new PC under 'Windows 11 legacy

Probably a PCIe card ... but you'll still need a program/app usable in Windows 11 (including using 'Compatibility Mode') that can accept and transfer the firewire MiniDV media.

I liked XP Pro....

Me too ... except for the need to reinstall XP every 6 months or so for some reason or another. Even with a good computer for the era, XP start-up time was at a snail's pace compared to W11.

 

Probably a PCIe card ... but you'll still need a program/app usable in Windows 11 (including using 'Compatibility Mode') that can accept and transfer the firewire MiniDV media.

Hi Dexcon,

sorry for the lack of knowledge on these things, but I assumed Vegas V22 is the app that can accept and transfer DVCam and minidv via the firewire port ?

sorry for the lack of knowledge on these things, but I assumed Vegas V22 is the app that can accept and transfer DVCam and minidv via the firewire port ?

As mentioned before, since Vegas Pro 17, Vegas Pro cannot import MiniDV video - and that's from any source including a firewire card.

BTW, when using quoting on the forum, after highlighting text in quotes, hit the enter key twice so that your response is not also contained in quoting "" ... "".

@James-Menday The capture/copy app to use is the free Sceneanalyzer. It was mentioned in the thread linked by Dexcon.

RE: Software Driver for pcie firewire card added by your builder.

It may well be unnecessary to install the "Legacy" driver as is required for Win 10. Apparently Win 11 loads the correct firewire driver automatically.

It is necessary though that the card uses a VIA chipset.

@James-Menday

I have two decades of commercial experience with DVCAM post-production in Vegas. However, he legacy VidCap app in Vegas was dropped some time ago.

There "are" some workarounds using Scenealyzer and legacy Firewire drivers with TI Chipsets (only!) that "may" work for you, but only if you are a hardened masochist with tons of time on your hands. I have since reformed my ways . . . ;?)

My go-to solution is my set-top dual tape/DVD recorder, some still show up at Goodwill; mine has built-in hardware noise reduction, which actually beats my old firewire capture quality on the same material.

I also use Smart Deinterlace and AI Upscale in Vegas to produce some worthy 720p Youtube material; you may see my Highlight Reel here:

The two small drawbacks of this method are that you lose your MTC/Freerun sync signal "if present," and you lose one bit of red chroma subsampling going to NTSC Mpeg-2 format (4:1:1 + 4:2:0 = 4:1:0). PAL is actually a little better.

I'll dig up my comprehensive thread on the topic and share it if you are interested, and also have access to a dual set-top recorder. They are going for $$$$ resale, but I still see one at Goodwill occasionally in the $100 range. That's where I got mine, apparently unused.

Hi @James-Menday, good to hear my quick fix for MP4 issue work.

May I know what MP4 media is this? How they are created or from where? I'm curious with the variation of your MP4s. Full MediaInfo can be copy-pasted here, and if possible sharing one sample will be extremely useful for developers to identify and fix this MP4 issue.

Hi @James-Menday, good to hear my quick fix for MP4 issue work.

May I know what MP4 media is this? How they are created or from where? I'm curious with the variation of your MP4s. Full MediaInfo can be copy-pasted here, and if possible sharing one sample will be extremely useful for developers to identify and fix this MP4 issue.

This clip of a model was captured on a cube camera,

Mediaarea data...

Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/avc1)
File size                                : 15.7 MiB
Duration                                 : 10 s 77 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 13.0 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-04-19 20:27:02 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-04-19 20:27:02 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Baseline@L4
Format settings                          : 1 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : No
Format settings, Reference frames        : 1 frame
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=15
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 10 s 77 ms
Bit rate                                 : 12.2 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.196
Stream size                              : 14.6 MiB (93%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-04-19 20:27:02 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-04-19 20:27:02 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 9 s 536 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 32.0 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 16.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 15.625 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 37.0 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2023-04-19 20:27:02 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2023-04-19 20:27:02 UTC

 

Hope this helps.

 

my deck is a Sony DSR1500AP, which has component output - so an issue with getting them into a firewire socket!

 

 

 

Sony DSR1500AP has also a 6pin DV in/output which I would always prefer to capture from, ofcourse you will need a 6pin to 4pin DV cable. Going from digital to analogue (component) and than back to digital again makes no sense and loss of quality. Also data like scene detection and DV recording data (date/time stamp) will not be transferred.

Hi @James-Menday, good to hear my quick fix for MP4 issue work.

May I know what MP4 media is this? How they are created or from where? I'm curious with the variation of your MP4s. Full MediaInfo can be copy-pasted here, and if possible sharing one sample will be extremely useful for developers to identify and fix this MP4 issue.

This Clip fails to load video first one did work.

Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (mp41/avc1)
File size                                : 559 MiB
Duration                                 : 4 min 59 s
Overall bit rate                         : 15.6 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Writing application                      : vlc 3.0.20 stream output

Video #1
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 4 min 58 s
Bit rate                                 : 7 699 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.124
Stream size                              : 274 MiB (49%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 155
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x13 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=9 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Color range                              : Full
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.470 System B/G
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Video #2
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 4 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 4 min 59 s
Bit rate                                 : 7 700 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 30.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.124
Stream size                              : 275 MiB (49%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 155
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x13 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=9 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Color range                              : Full
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.470 System B/G
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio #1
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-6B
Duration                                 : 4 min 58 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 4.55 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-6B
Duration                                 : 4 min 59 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 44.1 kHz
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 4.56 MiB (1%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-07 14:20:23 UTC

Hi James, just reinforcing the point as referenced by 3point:

According to the decks specifications the firewire port handles input and output so best to use it to output to the PC firewire card with no quality loss.

Thank you to everyone for their input.

I have had a 12 year break from video editing, I used to drive an Avid broadcast suite, I knew all the buttons, but never had to get into the IT side of it all.

Sadly those days are gone and I find myself in an IT swamp that I lack knowledge on and boy have these things moved on.

If I purchase this software, I think I am seeing a good and useable software editor,

but my legacy material that I want to revive (DVCam/MiniDV) as I understand it, has either got to digitised by an old XP computer with an Avid Card and software, with my old Sony DSR deck and then transferred to the Vegas via network.

or I can use the new PC for Vegas V22 and OBS studio via firewire from my sony deck and a couple of extra SSD drives.

The first option seems clunky and slow, the second one a bit more streamlined.

Any thoughts ?

1). Install a firewire card into the new Win II PC.

2). Use the Sceneanalyser software to transfer (copy, not really capture) the DV tape video to PC as DV.avi codec type.

3). Import the DV.avi files into Vegas Pro 22. Edit as required.

Useful link ...

https://www.aaproductions.net/dvtransfer.htm#xl_HeadingAnchor:58wwmu6

Extract from link:

"Windows 11

Windows 11 appears to have improved support for Firewire, with no user action required to enable a Firewire card. As soon as Windows boots with the new card installed, the correct driver will be loaded.The current recommendation for Firewire cards in Win 11 is for a VIA chipset-based card. VIA cards can be identified by the letters “VIA” on the main chip, or “VIA” or “VT6315” in the description.The Firewire card which I have installed in my Win 11 PC and which worked “out of the box” is this cheap VIA-based card from Amazon, the Tunghey VIA PCIe Firewire card.I did not install the “legacy” Firewire driver. I simply installed the card and switched my computer on. This is my Device Manager entry (also observe the Imaging devices item; here, I have a Panasonic DV camcorder attached):"