@fr0sty thank you for your honest thoughts on VP and the other pro editors. None is perfect, none does everything each user wants, and all have bugs and crashes. I guess it comes down to what you edit, what you use in the program, workflow and finally rendered finish product.

I am retired and now edit for myself and my church. No demands but my own, which are really simple. At this point in my life, my brain just can't retain additional info, so I tend to stay with what I know. When I first came here before buying VP14, I had doubts. I thought some of the posts were brutal about VP. But that's good to point out problems. It's just how you say it. But Humble Bundle took care of that with $20. Tried VP14 Edit and for what I do, was hooked. Upgraded to 15 Suite. Yes, timeline performance is a pain for me. Consumer editors perform better and in some cases, are much easier to use (like multicam audio sync up to 6 cameras in Pinnacle Studio 21 Ultimate). Being retired and living off retirement income, I have to watch what I spend. But video editing is like therapy for me. VP allows me to explore and keep the grey matter working, and I enjoy using it.

I will be reading and monitoring the forums when VP16 arrives and will download a trial version.

When will be fixed the Vegas Titles & Text font list after many new versions and new updates ?

An idea that I have for an next Vegas Pro version : possibility to zoom in/out the video in the preview screen.

Another idea that I have is to save a list of fonts that where used in a project. This is very useful when you open a Vegas-project on another pc where not the same fonts where installed. And so we know with fonts must be installed on a other pc to render the Vegas-project correctly !!

I agree that every editor has its pros and cons. I have tried Premiere, Final Cut, Resolve, and Hit Film, and in my opinion, Vegas is still the best and getting better. I am hopeful that the software continues to improve and only gets better. It is strange how just one bad incident can taint a person's perceptions. But the first time I tried using the Red Giant plug-in in Premiere, my system completely froze up and required a hard reboot. After that, I went back to Vegas and it has never completely locked up my system. We just did a project with 500 photos on the time line and it never crashed or froze. So, I for one am glad that Magix picked up the software from Sony and appears to be making it better with every iteration.

@fr0sty

Try Avid Media Composer. Sadly I have to agree with you, Vegas COULD be the best editing software out there but it isn't due to its instability and performance issues...

I think magix should create a killer app giving vegas the audio engine of samplitude or acid, making the first app that can make music and video with a high level of features, intead the crazy diversification they are using today.

If I remember there is no app out there that can edit midi and video at the same time,samples, charging vst instruments etc.. etc... this would be amazing for creators and would close the gap that vegas obiously is loosing against the big boys.

I think magix should create a killer app giving vegas the audio engine of samplitude or acid, making the first app that can make music and video with a high level of features, intead the crazy diversification they are using today.

If I remember there is no app out there that can edit midi and video at the same time,samples, charging vst instruments etc.. etc... this would be amazing for creators and would close the gap that vegas obiously is loosing against the big boys.

I think that might be asking a lot, you can already use Samp as a linked audio editior, and that works well, at least for me. I would like to see the Samp Gui more implemented, object editing and so forth....and not too far off from the way Vegas already works....I think that is more doable, Vegas does have very decent audio, and audio tools, way better than the competition. I find I can drag in some Samp stems into Vegas and do great, if I would need that.

Opening VP15 now has a News pop up re VP16:

Very cool news Dexcon! Can't wait.

Thet idea that VEGAS is unmatched for Audio among NLEs is a relic, and completely inaccurate. There are NLEs out there that have handily surpassed it.

Resolve is one of them, so I'm laughing at fr0sty's post. It doesn't seem to be written by anyone who has used Resolve in the past 2 years or so (at least since V14 was released).

It isn't the only NLE that has dramatically improved it's Audio tooling in the decade or so that VEGAS was stagnant in that area, due to Sony's awful management of the software.

@Trensharo

Can you try, JUST ONCE, to make a positive contribution to the forum instead of a negative, combative one?

@Dexcon

Thanks for posting that. "Storyboarding" would potentially be a big help for me - very interesting.

Users of vegas Pro 15 in version 365 will have access to Vegas 16 for the same price?

Isn't the point of Vegas 365 that you always get the latest updates as long as you are renting?

 

@Trensharo

Can you try, JUST ONCE, to make a positive contribution to the forum instead of a negative, combative one?

@Dexcon

Thanks for posting that. "Storyboarding" would potentially be a big help for me - very interesting.

1. Nothing I said was negative. It's just truth. What people are asking for in this thread:

I think magix should create a killer app giving vegas the audio engine of samplitude or acid, making the first app that can make music and video with a high level of features, intead the crazy diversification they are using today.

Blackmagic has already done in Resolve 14. Avid has already done a lot of this in Media Composer (cause they won Pro Tools), and Adobe has done much of this in Premiere Pro (which is what backs the Essential Sound Panel).

Talk about an NLE where people can make music shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the NLE market, and what Editors want re: audio tooling in an NLE. Editors don't want to make music. That's what DAWs are for. SOUND FORGE and ACID exist for a reason, Lol.

That's usually what companies do with well-managed products - like Microsoft using the Word editing Engine in OneNote and Outlook, instead of doing it all from scratch again. That increases development efficiency.

2. Nothing I said was combative. You have to have literally not used Resolve in the past 2 years to claim that VEGAS is better than it in Audio, cause it very clearly is not. Some of the information stated is blatant incorrect. Calling it out as such... Well, you can guess where I'm going, there.

This isn't even worth arguing over, because anyone can just download the software and see for themselves. I'm not really looking for a debate. I'm making a statement.

3. [BrokenRecord] The forums do not exist to be an echo chamber of product approval. [/BrokenRecord] Feedback comes in many forms, and I'm not really caring whether or not you like my tone. I didn't break any rules, and I'm pretty sure there is a block/ignore function on these forums. Utilize it. This being a VEGAS forum doesn't give you immunity from being called out when spreading bad information about other products.

The progress that other products in this market have made serves as a benchmark for where VEGAS needs to go to regain its former stature as a top-tier NLE. Running around talking like it's the new Premiere Pro CC update isn't really helping the situation.

Sony didn't sell it because it was tearing up the sales charts, nor did they start developing a new NLE from scratch because VEGAS Pro was the best NLE on the market. I am not damning product loyalty, BTW, not at all. I still own and use VEGAS Pro, but that does not mean that I have to be happy with the current state of the product; or run my statements through multiple calculations to make sure I don't hurt some eFeelings.

Congratz on your storyboarding. Meanwhile I still can't batch transcode clips without marking 50 regions on the timeline, or becoming a script kiddie. Yaaas!

And I barely come here, so stop acting like I'm ruining these forums.

Not that anyone cares, but here's my two cents. Making a new version is all well and good, but sadly, with VP15 as prone to crashing as it is, and as little customer support as Magix seems to offer (this one is a tough one to get by), it's hard to imagine that 16 won't be just more of the same. I mean motion tracking is great, stabilization is great...but let's face it, Hitfilm is free and integrates right into Vegas for motion tracking, and most decent pro-sumer/pro cameras these days have pretty awesome stabilization built right in. Not to mention that they've been giving away Mercalli since version 14. For me, these aren't big selling points. Better handling of C4K formats, faster rendering times, and especially a MORE ROBUST program that doesn't require me to scour the internet to find work-arounds for things that SHOULD JUST WORK would be the TOPS on my list of must-haves. Maybe throw in better user support too.

Opening VP15 now has a News pop up re VP16:

Maybe should have run it through the spell checker🤣

Looks like Magix's VideoProX has Mercalli V4 which imo we should have had working in VP15 if ProDAD didn't drop the ball and said No because of corporate greed. The current (broken) 'Vegas15' mercalli v2 is just not cutting it, sorry.

Understandingly I'm a little nervous if this scenario is going to repeat itself. I wished Magix would have just bought that shop and be done with it.

Personally, I use Hitfilm for tracking and I would find it a little hard to believe that Magix would do a better job than them. Maybe this is just a disguised Vegas branded version of a new HF ignite plugin anyway..(mocha in hf express is $50 so this ain't a big deal) we'll see..

And +1 for batch processing

and +1 for 'addon modules' that don't expire in functionality after each new instance of VP instead of suites / 3rd party poker. Commitment must go both ways

edit, and: I would love to see OpenCL 2.0 and Vulcan support to speed things up to a more contemporary level..

@Trensharo

Congratz on your storyboarding. Meanwhile I still can't batch transcode clips without marking 50 regions on the timeline, or becoming a script kiddie. Yaaas!

And I barely come here, so stop acting like I'm ruining these forums.

You can use Vegasaur to batch transcode clips easily - plus a whole lot more. And it's cheap. Vegas has a great ecosystem of third party add-ons.

I still regard your posts as pointless Vegas-bashing. It's certainly not constructive criticism. I believe you only do it for your own entertainment.

Hope Magix will implement some features from my wish list 😇https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/features-request-from-very-very-old-vegas-user--110045/

I love how people complain about Vegas' stability, and when Magix actually focuses on improving that stability vs. adding a ton of new features that could crash it even more, people complain that one specific feature they wanted hasn't been mentioned YET, while the product is still a ways away from release and very little has been revealed about it. There are things I know I can't talk about... What I can say is you all need to chill, give them a chance to show you what they have been up to before you launch into negative rants about a product that hasn't even released yet. They've only laid a couple cards on the table, don't think you can judge their hand by it. They are listening, you just have to understand that you aren't the only voices in this choir.

Also, as has always been the case with Vegas Pro, new features will get added in free updates throughout the year, so if you don't see what you'd hoped for on launch day, don't give up hope of ever seeing it in 16.

I love how people complain about Vegas' stability, and when Magix actually focuses on improving that stability vs. adding a ton of new features that could crash it even more, people complain that one specific feature they wanted hasn't been mentioned YET, while the product is still a ways away from release and very little has been revealed about it. There are things I know I can't talk about... What I can say is you all need to chill, give them a chance to show you what they have been up to before you launch into negative rants about a product that hasn't even released yet. They've only laid a couple cards on the table, don't think you can judge their hand by it. They are listening, you just have to understand that you aren't the only voices in this choir.

Also, as has always been the case with Vegas Pro, new features will get added in free updates throughout the year, so if you don't see what you'd hoped for on launch day, don't give up hope of ever seeing it in 16.

As a relatively new user of Vegas Pro (only jumped on board a few months ago and V15 is the first version I've used), I am really looking forward to the V16 update 😃.

@fr0sty - your comment of "There are things I know I can't talk about..." has got me really intrigued now!

I come from an audio background and Vegas Pro is perfect for that paradigm as it's basically a DAW with advanced video editing features on top. I find that many NLEs consider audio as a secondary concern (some notable exceptions e.g. Fairlight in Resolve), and for the kind of videos I create of guitar demos, reviews and original music they're very clunky - not so with Vegas Pro. Having tried a few other NLEs, I do understand where Vegas Pro has limitations (e.g. 3D video compositing, motion graphics etc.), but as several of the members here have pointed out, there's usually a plugin that would do the job, and I can honestly say that in the audio world everything is done by third-part plugins. Yes, most DAWs have a stock set of plugins (just like NLEs have a stock set of transitions, effects plugins etc.), but generally everyone finds and buys their favourite VSTs and uses them in whatever DAW they work in - I would imagine this would be the case in the NLE world too given the excellent quality stuff out there from Boris, NewBlue, Red Giant etc.

My hopes for Vegas Pro 16 are that it is a stable platform with support for those various plugins and a decent playback and render engine. Yes, tracking is useful at times, and yes stabilisation is useful at times, but as long as the core program receives regular stability and performance updates, handles modern colour-spaces/bit-depths and continues to support 3rd-party plugins, I'm sold.

For what it's worth, the only things that I think that it could do with that it doesn't already have available in some form/3rd-party support for are VST3 support (VST2.4 is officially deprecated now, so anything new will tend towards VST3) and a LUT previewer like Resolve (I've got hundreds of LUTs and can never remember which ones I like best 😂). These really aren't necessities though and I don't imagine they'd be high on most people's lists...

Roll on Vegas Pro 16! 

 

@Trensharo

Can you try, JUST ONCE, to make a positive contribution to the forum instead of a negative, combative one?

@Dexcon

Thanks for posting that. "Storyboarding" would potentially be a big help for me - I think magix should create a killer app giving vegas the audio engine of samplitude or acid, making the first app that can make music and video with a high level of features, intead the crazy diversification they are using today.

Blackmagic has already done in Resolve 14. Avid has already done a lot of this in Media Composer (cause they won Pro Tools), and Adobe has done much of this in Premiere Pro (which is what backs the Essential Sound Panel).

Talk about an NLE where people can make music shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the NLE market, and what Editors want re: audio tooling in an NLE. Editors don't want to make music. That's what DAWs are for. SOUND FORGE and ACID exist for a reason, Lol.

That's usually what companies do with well-managed products - like Microsoft using the Word editing Engine in OneNote and Outlook, instead of doing it all from scratch again. That increases development efficiency.2. Nothing I said was combative. You have to have literally not used Resolve in the past 2 years to claim that VEGAS is better than it in Audio, cause it very clearly is not. Some of the information stated is blatant incorrect. Calling it out as such... Well, you can guess where I'm going, there.

well the NLE market is so different as it was few years ago. at entusiast level today a lot of people make music, make youtube videos etc... etc.. so the idea to add a easy midi pattern and a vst synth for some audio effects for your video is not something you need to be Mozart to do. also, the sync between midi and video in one app will be always better than using two apps, you do not need to export audio, you can change sounds and patterns on the fly etc... is not Audio alone, is just to have a lot of possibilities in one software, and IMHO is the only way Vegas could give something better than the competition.

for example imagine your music or effects are not ok with the video. you need to go to the music software, export, load the new file in the NLE and pray for this time have it timed correctly. Imagine the situation when you only need to move one or two midi notes inside your vegas video , or when you can mix your vst synths with your voices or video sound , no need to convert it to wav, just adjust the synth with the video inside the same software.

this is something no other company has and Vegas could offer it very easy because I am sure that the audio engine of vegas and their other software is the same.

It goes without saying that any new version should resolve old instability problems. Nevertheless, that's not what keeps any software package in contention for a real choice as a pro NLE solution. These things are essential :

1) wider support for imported files (Panasonic MXF for starters, the new AVC-intra LT, possibly ProRES RAW (that might be difficult), ...). This is the most basic and elementary demand on any NLE. All regular equipment should be supported. Transcode it first is not of this era anymore. To give an example : original footage of the varicam line isn't working. You can transcode it by DaVinci for example, although Vegas Pro foesn't support most of the export formats of Davinci either. Vegas Pro was once on top of these things, but now sorely behind any other NLE.

2) preview performance. New builds of Vegas keep on popping up, but it doesn't seem to improve. I have davinci resolve on my system and preview there is fluent and never has any hiccup.... It should be up to par with other NLEs, because it's behind the pack there as well at this very moment.

3) modern features. As I read some of you are not interested, but all the 'new' things like HDR (working in ACES without crashing e.g.), support for most common luts, HDR preview and so on - they are all imperative. Any non-free NLE should be able to do this. Otherwise it'll swiftly becoming like a NLE that can only edit standard definition footage. Compatibility with all new and modern standards is of the essence - and it needs to be a key feature. By that I mean, the LUT filter that's available now is just the visioncolor filter and it is slow and while it works, not really performant enough to be part of the standard workflow.

4) the workflow/appearance/interface is what it is - by this I mean that you should be able to choose the NLE you work with because of the way it works and whether or not you like this. It shouldn't be a negative choice (does it support our camera gear? does it support new and upcoming HDR productions? and so on). The workflow and interface is what makes Vegas a choice, with benefits and drawbacks to other software, no doubt. But that doesn't matter - it is a choice. If demands 1-3 aren't met, it isn't really a choice. Sometimes I feel like there's too much emphasis on making a nice sleek interface or enticing users with a new workflow within the NLE, that is believed to enhance productivity a bit. While these things are a good thing, they mean nothing before the first 3 aspects are realised.

If you get asked to produce a new Netflix series on Vegas Pro, that shouldn't be a problem. And for now it is. For starters they're shot on Varicam, problem number 1. Secondly - you need to finish it off in HDR, problem number 2. You won't be able to pull this off without at least using one other sofware NLE to help you... The target of version 16 should be (And I sincerely hope it is) to be one of the bunch of pro NLE choices again (if not the best, why not aim high?) - These 4 arguments are the only way to becoma that again.