+1 for any kind of Optical Flow retiming (I'm aware that HOS has implemented this, but it would be nice to be native)

I'd also like to see a similar transition to the Premiere Pro "Morph Cut" / Resolve "Smooth Cut" that uses Optical Flow to smoothly transition between 2 clips - it's ideal for avoiding jump cuts when doing youtube talking head stuff (or I could just get better at not fluffing my lines, going off-topic etc. ;-) )

Another +1 for some updated lower thirds, titles motion graphics etc. - I know I could craft my own (and I do), but it's nice to have some presets for fast-turnaround or even as a basis to customise.

Vegas is super fast to cut with, but does fall short in some areas in comparison to the "big" alternatives, so it would be nice to see some of their toys (e.g. optical flow) implemented and then it would be the only NLE I'd need to consider using. Third-party plugins go some way to fixing this, but more native stuff would be good so I don't need to buy more stuff.

I have been a Vegas User since Version 4, currently on Vegas 15, and I have paid for upgrades every few versions ever since. I consider myself a power user.

Lately I have been strongly considering a new NLE, either Premiere Pro or Da Vinci Resolve prehaps. But I am super fast on Vegas and there's a lot to love.

That said, the BIG VEGAS DEALBREAKER for me will be the fact that it CRASHES ALL THE TIME! This has been the case across various different hardware configs and versions and I am just so tired of it. The other evening it crashed 10 times in the period of a half an hour just doing routine edits. It crashes on big projects, on small projects, it doesn't seem to matter.

It is Exhausting, I have to SAVE on literally every edit for fear of losing work and sometime I get so in the flow of editing I'll forget and then CRASH, I have to go back and start all over again having lost 15-30 minutes of time.

I used After Effects for a week straight last week. Not a SINGLE crash and I did some very complex things.

I really don't like seeing Adverts constantly to upgrade to the latest/greatest version where many of the features I could care less about. I really think there are some nasties in your codebase that need to be addressed.

There is no way I can justify an upgrade only to be riddled with crashes as I have been for years. Vegas... I'm gonna miss you. I'll never forget the seamless beauty of your automatic crossfades... the ONLY thing right now holding me back from leaving for good.

@Dextrose Your post is totally off-topic for this thread. If you want help, start another thread, if you are leaving, then "bon voyage."

@Kinvermark

The feature request is Stability. Engineering effort is required for anything at all to be implemented, while you may very well be “correct” to say my comment belongs in another bucket, I am emphatically making a point. Spending Dev resources on shiny new objects is all well and good but when the foundation of your house is falling down you might want to go fix it.

Well, to use your analogy, my foundation is fine, so I would like to add a garage to store my car.

But, surely you can see that it would be economic suicide for Vegas' devs not to add features that users want and need, and will PAY for. If it's only bug fixes, many people would complain that it should be for free.

Lastly, the assumption that YOUR stability issues are ubiquitous is wrong. Usually comes down to one of several elements: GPU, media type, and workflow. Mostly media type IMHO.

So, want help? Then please start a new thread.

My wish list:

Improved color grading workflow that seamlessly integrates with the Vegas timeline while still retaining all previous color tools as well.

Motion flow slow motion

Mesh Warping

Improved 32 bit performance

Improved GPU performance and stability

Online collaboration

Project nesting

IMPROVED BATCH ENCODING

8k support

MKV support

HDR support for more formats, MP4, HLG, Magix Intermediate, etc

Improved Titler - Give us some new text reveal/hide presets

Improved transitions - Vegas has had the same boring transition presets for over a decade.

Improved motion tracking - planar would be nice

VST3

Built in frameserver

Built in screen recorder

I completely agree.

Especially important for me:

- improved color grading workflow
- Improved Titler - Give us some new text reveal/hide presets
- Improved transitions (some modern, something like this https://www.flatpackfx.com/products/transitions-pack )
- PlugIn for video and audio noise reduction

Nesting, ability to zoom in the preview window so we know where to place motion tracker or text. Auto snap for the text on the preview so user dont need to manually rely on the grid to place the text in middle.

Automation for audio FX would be great, like Filter, Track EQ, Compression etc instead having only Pan/Volume/Mute automation.

Take a look into the "Automatable" FX folder. Track EQ, Track Compression and many more audio fx are already automatable.

It certainly needs Memory and GPU optimization.. the first is when you edit large projects it tends to slows down and have multiple crashes and for the second is important as other amateur editing software like Movavi can play 4K footage without proxy because it is GPU optimized to harness its power processing engine.

Last but not least i believe is very useful and important in creativity to add ADJUSTMENT LAYERs and CLIPs like Davinci Resolve 16 has implemented!

.....An "adjustment layer" like premiere and Davinci ; That saves a lot of time.

This is already present in Vegas Pro! Just do it like this:

Add effects to a video-track, and in the FX box of that track, drag the "composite" all the way to the beginning. All the effects in that video-track will be on top of the video-tracks underneath.

Take a look into the "Automatable" FX folder. Track EQ, Track Compression and many more audio fx are already automatable.

Take a look into the "Automatable" FX folder. Track EQ, Track Compression and many more audio fx are already automatable.

Wow never knew about this! but the interface of the automation is abit hard to use and understand. It will be super neat if the visuals of OFX is displayed too instead of plain text only. Something like in Cubase/FL Studio

Return things like transitions to all available options in icon and not list form with third party programs

Well, to use your analogy, my foundation is fine, so I would like to add a garage to store my car.
But, surely you can see that it would be economic suicide for Vegas' devs not to add features that users want and need, and will PAY for. If it's only bug fixes, many people would complain that it should be for free.

Lastly, the assumption that YOUR stability issues are ubiquitous is wrong. Usually comes down to one of several elements: GPU, media type, and workflow. Mostly media type IMHO.

So, want help? Then please start a new thread.

@Kinvermark

Yes of course you want a Garage, we all want 3 or 4.

I am glad your foundation is fine but debating, in a forum thread, over who experiences stability vs. those who do not is pointless without seeing all the issues coming from the entire user base and I would hope by now that Magix has plenty of data on that. I never said nor assumed that my issues are ubiquitous, only you said that. However, I have worked in software development for a very long time and after a long time working on things I've been able to spot trends and the issues I have experienced and researched are just that.

Deciding on the mix of new features vs. bug fixes is always a balancing act and it is not easy and I agree they must do both.

This is my last comment on the matter.

Thank You

.....An "adjustment layer" like premiere and Davinci ; That saves a lot of time.

This is already present in Vegas Pro! Just do it like this:

Add effects to a video-track, and in the FX box of that track, drag the "composite" all the way to the beginning. All the effects in that video-track will be on top of the video-tracks underneath.

 

That is good but incomplete because with an adjustment layer or clip you can toggle the amount of effect via opacity slider which is not working for the case.. stil it MUST implement also an effect called Adjustment Clip Effect just as Davinci 16.

I agree, Adjustment clips are darned handy, and open up some very creative ways to affect your footage. It's not just about, "hey let me place a vignette on these three clips" (boring) but about pseudo motion graphics opportunities without having to do heavy technical work.

My personal wish list for Vegas Pro 17:

1. An optional Home Screen (Welcome screen) that appears at the start of Vegas Pro where we can see a list of previous projects with some details about each project such as last edited date/time, file location, file size, etc.  Such useful feature is available in Premiere Pro and DaVinci Resolve.  Also, this Home screen can show other useful information related to Vegas Pro such as video tutorials, news, upgrade information, etc.  Similar feature is available in HitFilm Pro.
2. Support for tab based, multiple timelines.  Extremely useful and one of the very best features I love in Premiere Pro.
3. A feature to highlight the focused windows so we don’t have to guess which windows is in focus before hitting the spacebar, if you know what I mean. This is one of the nice features I like in Premiere Pro.
4. Adding a button on tracks to quickly lock or unlock it.  Also adding a similar button on events to lock/unlock the events instead of the long way; Right-Mouse click>Switches>Lock
5. Adding a Favorite folder accessible directly from the VideoFX window.  Same for Media Generators and Transitions window.  The current way to create a Favorite folder in the Plugin Chooser is not good enough in my opinion.
6. Adding a slider under the preview window which represent a zoomed-out version of the timeline to quickly navigate and preview the whole timeline without zooming in/out and scrolling through the actual timeline window.  This feature is available in DaVinci Resolve, Premier Pro and HitFilm Pro.  Even though the implementation in Premier Pro is more advanced than the rest, yet the one in DaVinci Resolve is good enough.
7. A future to let us know if a track is empty or not.  For example, in Premiere Pro, if you click on any track, the visible part of that track will get highlighted indicating that there is at least one event in the track.   Again, one of the best features in Premiere Pro.
8. A feature to quickly delete empty tracks at once.  This feature is available in DaVinci Resolve and Premiere Pro.  HitFilm Pro only warns you if the track to be deleted is not empty.  Again, I like the implementation of this feature in Premiere Pro as it let us choose to delete all empty video tracks, or all empty audio tracks, or both.  However, the implementation in DaVinci Resolve is good enough.
9. A new smart feature to automatically simplify a crowded timeline to minimize unnecessary tracks by moving the scattered events in many separate tracks to as little tracks as possible and then automatically deleting the empty tracks.
10. A similar feature to the Cut page introduced in DaVinci Resolve 16.  It's indeed convenient for short projects such as TV commercials and especially good with its Dual Timeline feature that gives the ability to quickly navigate or edit anywhere on the timeline.
11. IMHO, nothing beats DaVinci Resolve when it comes to color correction and grading and maybe that is why it is the industry standard.  I wish if Resolve can be integrated somehow in Vegas Pro 17.  Maybe offering an option to send the timeline contents directly to DaVinci Resolve in a fashion similar to what the Vegas Plugin for SonicFire Pro 6 can do.
12. A feature to add Adjustment Clips/Layers to apply filters, effects and grades on top of a range of timeline clips.  This amazing feature is already available in DaVinci Resolve and Premiere Pro, however I like the implementation in DaVinci Resolve.
13. A feature to let Vegas Pro stops the playback at the end of the last event on a track.  I truly do not get it why Vegas keeps playing an empty timeline!
14. A tight integration between Vegas Pro and HitFilm Pro similar to the integration between Premier Pro and After Effects.  So that FX comps are automatically transferred between both applications.
15. Full support for all flavors of ProRes codecs so that QuickTime Player is not needed anymore.  Also, full support for all flavors of MXF files would be great.
16. Native support for the most commonly used vector graphics formats such as EPS.
17. Team collaboration workflow.  Already available in DaVinci Resolve and Premiere Pro.
18. Adding a proxy indicator icon above the preview window or on each event to indicates if proxy files are being used for the playback or not.  Also adding a button to turn it on or off, instead of changing the preview windows quality playback settings which is not logical.
19. A toggle button to automatically change the zoom level of the timeline to fit the entire window.
20. Auto Ducking for ambient sounds to automatically adjust background volume around spoken dialog or voiceovers by automatically generating a volume envelope to duck ambience sound behind dialogue, sound effects, or any other audio clip.  This feature is available in DaVinci Resolve 16.
21. More accurate and advanced masking with planar tracking.
22. Frame.io integration supporting media imports, direct uploads, marker and comment syncing
23. Project Media Window: Ability to analyze video clips and identify certain features like faces, men, women, people, animals, trees, places, water, clouds etc. and then auto organizing the clips in different bins so it’s easy to find the needed clips.
24. Temporarily enable/disable for Auto Ripple and Ignore Event Grouping.
25. An option to automatically delete Vegas temporally SFK files after closing a project, or after archiving a project.
26. A better support for High DPI mode.

So sorry for the very long list 😅

That's a great list; the longer the better - if we don't tell the dev's, then they don't know what we want. :)

My top three from your list would be:

#2 Multiple tabbed timelines. Self explanatory.

#11: Integrate with Davinci Resolve. Can be partly done with xml, but is problematic and limited. I would like to see improvements here especially in timecode reading by Vegas, and maybe an update to the FCPX XML version so that DR reads it. Unfortunately, work needs to be done by Blackmagic on the Resolve side of this too.

#12: Adjustment clips. Minor for me given #11, but probably very beneficial for many users.

Don't just assume Resolve will always have the best color tools... Modernizing Vegas has been a key concern for Magix for a long time now, and while there is only so much they can do so fast to play catch up, and while it may not have come as fast as some of us would have hoped, they have come quite a long way in 2.5 releases, I only expect this to continue further in the future. For all we know, Vegas 17 could eliminate the need for any round trips to any other programs, at least most of the time. We already know Post is coming, which eliminates the need for the After Effects round trip, if it turns out to be what I hope to see.

True. But I would guess it is unlikely that a "Resolve" level of color sophistication and workflow will happen soon. Does every project need extensive enough colour grading to justify a trip to Resolve? No. But one aspect that is often forgotten is that of efficiency. I have found that grading in Resolve is so much faster that the extra hassle is worth it. YMMV.

So, for me, any new colour tools added to Vegas need to be really fast and efficient and probably need to support hardware control devices. No more clip-by-clip, slider-by-slider, interminable adjustments, there are just too many clips to do. 😀

There's a lot of ground to cover there, you are right, Resolve didn't become color king easily... we'll see. I personally would prefer to see the attention paid to modernizing Vegas to have these features vs. band-aid solutions like improving compatibility with other apps.

"Don't just assume Resolve will always have the best color tools" << Well, DaVinci Resolve has always been the industry standard coloring system since its introduction 15 years ago, and with BMD aggressive pricing and quick advances in updating it, it's safe to assume that it will continue to provide some of the best color tools and stay the industry standard. In fact I will not be surprised if Resolve will one day be the industry standard NLE as well, unless Media Composer and Premiere do drastic updates plus reducing their prices.

"We already know Post is coming, which eliminates the need for the After Effects round trip" << How do you know that Post will eliminate AE round trip? We still do not have enough information about Post and what it does so its way too early to assume that!

On a positive note, isn't it interesting that people do continue to choose to edit in Vegas Pro even without integrated AfterEffects and Davinci (or similar solutions.) It is just soooo much faster and easier...and automatable...and storyboard ' able ' and...