Hi there and thank you so very much. I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying is I need to print these effects to the media before I drag them into the project? Can I do that from the media bin? If I want to use pairs of clips but one of the two would have a different Zoom for effect what I just import those into the media been twice? And once they are in the media bin how would I apply affect before I drag them into the timeline? Hope I'm being clear.

Thank you!

WSS

Sorry I don't know what you are doing, but it looks not like multicam editing.
Perhaps it is better to read first good the manual about it and try again some samples before real put into practice.

Okay so I found from another forum that at least as far back as 2013 there was actually no way to do this. The FX and the pans and placements would be lost as soon as you created a multi-channel track, I'm just curious as to whether anyone knows if that's possible in this today? Maybe with version 17 or 18? Or if not, maybe there's a good and usable workaround.

I guess I could just render it down then split the track everywhere I want to change the placement. Or the FX.

Anyway if anyone has any ideas I would be truly appreciative. Thank you.

WSS

The same limitations exist from my understanding. You can't have track level Fx.

Finish the multitrack edit, expand back to normal tracks, and then you can do that after. Feel free to post an example as it's hard to comment in the abstract.

Hi Roger, thank you very much! I'm doing a music video with a pre-recorded Studio track for audio. Track one is text track two is some artistic clips that I fade in and out. (no problems with them) I have five more tracks as I lip sync to the audio. There are two long shots two medium shots and one side shot. I have cloned the side shot because I wanted to zoom in for the last line.

What I have done on those lip sync tracks is crop and position also I added a little contrast to each one.

I control click each of those camera tracks and select the option for multicam. I see all of the thumbnails in the preview but I get the message saying that my effect will be lost.

I run through the multi-camera procedure and click on the particular tracks as desired and that works fine except that my positioning of the shots is gone.

I suppose I could go into that finished track and split everything where I want to change it. I was just hoping there was an easier and more automatic way.

Thank you for your patience and time everyone.

WSS

I've also done music videos with ~7 tracks synced back to reference audio. Step one is aligning the tracks precisely. Step 2 is cuts in multicam. I don't bother with any other edits until that's done. Then I expand the multicam edit back out and can do corrections at the track or event level again.

For the zoom shot if you apply the crop at the event level instead of the track level, won't that stay through multicam? If not I guess you can just do it again after you expand multicam out.

I will try applying the zoom and the contrast at the track level. I didn't know that was possible. Thank you!

Vegas is both flexible and confusing in that you can apply many Fx either at the media, track, event, or even output level. Give it a try and if you have trouble I can make a test project here as I haven't done multicamera in a while.

Thank you Roger. Yeah I've just not really worked with it that much and had no idea that there were various ways to do this nor did I understand why you could put an effect on an event that disappeared in multi-camera.

WSS

If you use VEGAS' multicam, you will need to apply effects at the Media level and any pan/crop settings would need to be added afterwards.

If you use a 3rd party multicam tool, things change - for example, in Excalibur I know you can add the effects at the event level and also apply Pan/Crop settings and they would not be lost. However, you won't be able to apply Track Motion as that's what's used to create the PIP view.

Thanks Jetdy, yeah that's kind of what I did finally. It kind of sucks having to split and insert everything but that's life I guess. I don't like the crop effect nearly as well as the pan crop tool in the event editor but it doesn't look like it's available in the track FX or the media FX. But the contrast and brightness were easy enough to use. And I can switch shots behind the overlay so it doesn't look too drastic.

WSS

@WestsideSteve There are other ways around the issue if you did all the fx at the track level before going into multcam edit mode. You could render each track to intermediate and create a 2nd version of the project substituting the intermediate media for the original media and leaving out the track fx and track motion... which Vegas will do for you if you use that project to create your multicam edit track. Another possibility, obviating the need for intermediate rendering, is to save each track's fx chain as a filter package before going into multicam edit mode and then reapplying each track's filter package after expanding the multcam track. 3rd possibility is to throw a pip-fx on each track that you manipulate into visibility by animating each pip-fx's opacity... without ever using multicam edit mode at all. Or do the same thing without pip-fx just by inserting composite level envelopes on each track... if you already did your zooming with track motion this might be the simplest way forward for you.

Thank you Howard, great information! By the way I love the word obviate!

WSS

Also can I pan/crop in track or media View? The crop effect doesn't seem to work the same way.. thank you.

WSS

Thanks Howard. I watch the tutorial and it seems easy enough to scale the picture down it just wasn't quite clear on how to expand it back to the full frame. I will experiment with it. Best.

WSS