VEGAS PRO 18

JohnJ wrote on 1/18/2022, 1:45 PM

I have been using Vegas Pro 18 to capture video at 1080 x 1920 (i) 25 fps PAL and rendering as SONY AVC/MVC 25 fps.1920 x 1080 50i. I have successfully created Bluray discs on DVDA. I am about to obtain a SONY FDR-AX53 which can records 4K. I have plenty of processing capacity. My question is what are the best settings in Vegas Pro 18 for 4K projects? I am non technical so would someone please be kind enough to advise me in simple terms? Thanks

 

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Former user wrote on 1/18/2022, 1:57 PM

@JohnJ Hi, Can you go to your icon at the top, click it - My Profile, & fill in your Signature with your Vegas version, Windows version & system specs, CPU, GPU, RAM etc. this will then show at the bottom of the comments & will help people help you 👍

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/important-information-required-to-help-you--110457/

When you get your new camera have a look when loading to Vegas to see if it's HEVC H.265 or AVC H.264,

I find AVC more stable to work with in Vegas, & after rendering it re-uploads into Vegas no prob if needs be.

I upload 4k 3840x2160 to YouTube, I record in that format & render using MAGIX AVC/AAC using the option with (NVENC) at the end,

When you upload your media to Vegas you'll get a pop-up that asks if you want to make the project settings the same as the media, click yes, then when you go to render there will be = signs next to formats that match, 👍

Chief24 wrote on 1/18/2022, 3:51 PM

@JohnJ

Hi, I currently have the AX-53, though I am in NTSC land (U.S.). Here is a MediaInfo from a 4K clip:

General
Complete name                            : S:\Driving Fun from VA 20201217\AX-53\C0001.MP4
Format                                   : XAVC
Codec ID                                 : XAVC (XAVC/mp42/iso2)
File size                                : 1.03 GiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 29 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 98.9 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-17 16:41:24
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-12-17 16:41:24

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 29 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 97.1 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 100.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.391
Stream size                              : 1.01 GiB (98%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-17 16:41:24
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-12-17 16:41:24
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : xvYCC
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Metas                                    : 3
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : twos
Duration                                 : 1 min 29 s
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 16.4 MiB (2%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-17 16:41:24
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-12-17 16:41:24

As @Former user mentioned in his post, you should put your computer specs and other related information into your signature. You can also look at mine, though I have used a variety of computers, and can't remember if I updated my signature to my main editing rig of TRX40 3960x and associated hardware. I've had the AX-53 about one year less than the AX-33, which would have basically the same MediaInfo as above, and have edited the footage on Intel X99 (Haswell-E & Broadwell-E processors), AMD X399 (1st & 2nd Gen Threadripper's), nVidia GTX1080, nVidia RTX 2070, AMD RX480, and now both editing rigs I use have AMD Radeon VII. This, going back using either VEGAS Pro 15, 17, 18, & 19, along with VEGAS Movie Studio Platinum 15, 16, & 17. Depending on when it was, or which machine, the XAVC needed either Proxies at the time, or transcoded (Usually used Grass Valley HQX - put original clip(s) on timeline, then render using VP or VMS). Nowadays, its pretty easy, of course, depending on your hardware.

Hope this helps.

Self Build: #1 MSI TRX40 Pro Wi-Fi w/3960X (be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro TR4) @ stock; 128GB Team Group 3200 MHz; OS/Apps - WDSN850X PCI-e 4.0x4 4TB, Documents/Extras - WDSN850X PCI-e 4.0x4 4TB; XFX AMD Radeon 7900XTX (24.12.1); Samsung 32 Inch UHD 3840x2160; Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit (24H2 26100.2894); (2) Inland Performance 2TB/(2) PNY 3040 4TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; (2) WD RED 4TB; ProGrade USB CFExpress/SD card Reader; LG 16X Blu-Ray Burner; 32 inch Samsung UHD 3840x2160.

VEGAS Pro 20 Edit (411); VEGAS Pro 21 Suite (315); VEGAS Pro 22 Suite (239) & HOS (Happy Otter Scripts); DVD Architect 7.0 (100);

Sound Forge Audio Studio 15; ACID Music Studio 11; SonicFire Pro 6.6.9 (with Vegas Pro/Movie Studio Plug-in); DaVinci Resolve (Free) 19.1.3

#2: Gigabyte TRX50 Aero D w/7960x (Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6) @ stock; 128GB Kingston Fury Beast RDIMM @4800 MHz; OS/Apps - Seagate Firecuda 540 2TB PCI-e 5.0x4; Documents/Extras/Source/Transcodes - 4TB WDSN850X PCI-e 4.0x4; 4TB Inland Performance PCI-e 3.0x4; 2TB Inland Performance PCI-e 4.0x4; BlackMagic PCI-e Decklink 4K Mini-Recorder; ProGrade USB SD & Micro SD card readers; LG 32 Inch UHD 3840.x2160: PowerColor Hellhound RX Radeon 7900XT (24.12.1); Windows 11 Pro 64-Bit (24H2 26100.2894)

VEGAS Pro 20 Edit (411); VEGAS Pro 21 Suite (315); VEGAS Pro 22 Suite (239) & HOS; DVD Architect 7.0 (100); Sound Forge Audo Studio 15; Acid Music Studio 11

Canon EOS R6 MkII, Canon EOS R6, Canon EOS R7 (All three set for 4K 24/30/60 Cinema Gamut/CLog3); GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black & (2) 7 Black & 9 Black & 10 Black & 11 Black & 12 Black (All set at highest settings - 4K, 5K, & 5.3K mostly at 29.970); Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam (4K 100Mbps XAVC-S 23.976/29.970)

JohnJ wrote on 1/31/2022, 5:39 AM

Hi Both and thanks for taking the time to respond....I have now updated my 'signature' to give anyone looking at my posts more idea of my setup.

So - time for a major admission...I am completely self taught and a lot of the terminology that you guys are using, in an attempt to help me, mean nothing to me.....sorry.

Let me try to break things down: I am a Steam Railway enthusiast and use my cameras to capture what I enjoy and provide any projects that I create FOC to friends within the Steam Railway community. I have been using various flavours of Vegas for the past decade, or at least it seems that way!!, to create Blu-rays and have managed to find a way to produce what I want to and am still enjoying doing so.

I have recently decided to upgrade my video cameras and have purchased a pair of Sony FDR-AX53 units as my older cameras were becoming unreliable and repair costs were becoming prohibitive.

These are the first cameras I have owned which are 4K capable and I would like to start shooting in this higher resolution and then producing, hopefully, better projects via Vegas 18.

I do not, currently, plan on connecting the cameras to my workstation - but will use the Class10 SD cards in USB3 card readers.

And so what I am really hoping the community might help me with is any settings for Vegas Pro 18 that will help me utilise the 4K captured stream from the cameras to create quality Blu-ray output.

Thanks again for your patience...

RogerS wrote on 1/31/2022, 5:48 AM

I don't think there's much special that you need to do. Try to set the camera to the framerate you want the final files to be (or x2 for special slow motion shots). Shoot at 4K resolution. Shoot h.264 (AVC) for easier editing. In Vegas let the media set the project resolution and framerate. Keep resample set to "disable resample". That's about it for project properties.

The next is render settings but that shouldn't be different than what you currently do.

Dexcon wrote on 1/31/2022, 6:18 AM

+1 to RogerS's advice - that's basically what I do, though my Sony 4K camera (FDR-AX100E) doesn't have an HEVC choice.

I am very keen on railway videos including so many driver cab views in Switzerland (YoutTube lorirocks777 and Railway Emotions) and Norway (YT RailCowGirl). They were a great way to get through lockdowns.

One of the telling differences between good railway videos on YT and others - IMO - is how they are shot. There is a huge difference between YT videos shot with handheld cameras (with no stabilisation used in editing) and those shot on a tripod with a good fluid head (i.e not a tripod head designed for a stills camera). Have a look at some of the many YT videos posted by Pannier who records railway journeys around Melbourne and the state of Victoria of steam locos, early diesel B, S and T class locos and Tait wooden suburban trains restored and operated by SteamRail Victoria. Note that Pannier seems to use in addition to the main forward view camera a GoPro mounted on the tripod pointed at the 'exit' of the passing train.

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Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 & 22, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 20, BCC 2025, Mocha Pro 2025.0, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

walter-i. wrote on 1/31/2022, 6:54 AM

@JohnJ
I would like to point out - although you certainly know this, and are used to recording at 25 frames/sec - that with the SONY FDR-AX53 you again only have 25 fps at 4k. 50p is only possible with HD, i.e. 1920x1080.  
I own the same camera, but I'm still on HD because I really like the 50p for fast movements and extracting frames from the movie.

Just simply as input.

3POINT wrote on 1/31/2022, 8:13 AM

And so what I am really hoping the community might help me with is any settings for Vegas Pro 18 that will help me utilise the 4K captured stream from the cameras to create quality Blu-ray output.

 

I never made a Bluray, but can a Bluray store 4k? Isn't Bluray specs just max 1080i50/i60 or 1080p24.

I think downscaling 2160p25/p30 to interlaced 1080i50/i60 Bluray will give (very) disappointing quality results.